What is the likelihood of this happening?

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-Joseph

Meh seems like too much work, and Ccp doesn't like work.

Lets say this magically solves all of the 'balance' problems as you see them, after tiericide how does the economics of suits work?

Will light suit v.1 be as cheap/expensive as light suit v.3?

If I'm accumulating larger piles of isk, what am I generally spending it on? If the grade of equipment doesn't exponentially increase my isk cost to field it, where does my isk go? Does it just pile up? When I can choose a 1k isk suit, a 10k isk suit, and a 100k isk suit, then a 200k isk payout means something substantial.

When/if all suits are similarly only specifically useful and similarly priced:

1) How does that effect the entry cost of suits-the price new players are paying to be competitive in them?
2) Are you going to assume that most of the cost of fits will lie in module fitting now?
3) Proponents of tiericide propose that suit bonuses rather than module fits will determine the uniqueness of different suit types/roles...what does this mean for the uniqueness of how each one is fit?

What I haven't heard from the tiericide folks is the approach tiericide will take toward the faucet:sink relationship that current STD>ADV>PRO gear has set up. The current tiers forces a significant relationship between cost and profit per match based on how strong of a suit you field.


The reason there is so much isk in the game at the moment has much less to do with tier/dropsuit balance and much more to do with the design of PC and the salvage rebates with Chromosome/Uprising. It is statistically impossible for everyone to eventually be running proto AND profit unless they all are just walking around in the game and not shooting each other.

Tl;DR: please also explain the micro/macro economic/cost/profit/incentive side of tiericide. Otherwise, I think this idea leads to an unsustainable and ultimately boring system.

Since people can't read.

Before Teiricide

With Captions

After Teiricide

(and yes I realized I need to find an image hosting service without annoying advertisements)
Edit : Yes I noticed the link slot on the pre teiricide being a typo sorry; and no the slots are theorycrafting from flipping the minmatar suit over...)

As you can see this gets rid of climbing up the tree overall but now breaks out into branching the tree out to more interesting branches. Militia -> Basic Tech 1 -> Advanced Tech 2 as you can notice is losing slots as it goes up but it trades it for additional specialized bonuses.

Suits start off with meager fittings when you train their suit command to 1, but as you train up command skills for the specific suits that need it to operate you will be then getting more fitting, and more bonuses thus allows you to develop and specialize the suit further.

Also under Teiricide 'type 2 and type 3s' return and are a part of the logical progression where type 2 and 3s are not better just different dice rolled for the same class.

Tech 1s get tech 2 previews of the suits as you can notice one class is suited to being a pilot, one a scout, and one a spec ops by slot layouts alone.

Milita (not shown) post teiricide has 'fixed bonuses' and does not gain anything per level and fitting overall is pretty low despite having the highest number of slots verses its tech 1 cousin. While powerful for a rookie at the start once the rookie starts investing into the skill of the amarr light around lvl 2 and 3 the tech 1 suits start to outperform the militia suit in terms of fitting then bonuses.

Despite this none of the suits get obsoleted by skill training as the captioned pre teiricide cuts out clearly. A maxed out amarr light operator can still effectively use the tech 1 suits to a great advantage and would currently achieve the 'going cheaper' motif the current specialist advanced suits enjoy. While tech 2 is for going 'pro'. The only reason not to use a certain suit on any of these post teiricide trees is the simple fact its not your play style, some people like their sidearms some don't care to lose it for a second equipment slot.

And yes the three tech 1 suits will have different models under the new teiricide when art allows for it.

I support this thread, and all mentions of Tiercide.

Bringing back the type 2 suits is a fantastic idea, I almost forgot about those things. (initially their intent was for gameplay symmetry)

Has there been any response, official or not, from CCP regarding Tiercide?

Costs move over the modules instead.

Tech 1 suit with basic modules and guns will be in similar price to current base suits and base modules in pricing.

A tech 2 suit with mostly proto modules and guns will be slightly more expensive than current proto layouts.

A tech 1 suit with advanced/proto mix or tech 2 suit with basic advanced should be around the same cost as todays proto to advanced fit prices being costs effective for performance.

Thus its going to be up to the player to determine (and it is currently like this) how expensive his fit is going to be, Thales or not to Thales? Thales are going to be an estimate 20 million isk already which are typically being fitted on a suit that barely costs 1/100th of that price.

When manufacturing comes in, tech 1 suits are easily manufactured as are the modules, meta modules and tech 2s will be slightly more difficult requiring a technology base on either behalf of the eve overlords ( who may be the ones ultimately building all of this stuff ) or ourselves to make them possible and those can become a point in conflict.

Lets say this magically solves all of the 'balance' problems as you see them, after tiericide how does the economics of suits work?

Will light suit v.1 be as cheap/expensive as light suit v.3?

If I'm accumulating larger piles of isk, what am I generally spending it on? If the grade of equipment doesn't exponentially increase my isk cost to field it, where does my isk go? Does it just pile up? When I can choose a 1k isk suit, a 10k isk suit, and a 100k isk suit, then a 200k isk payout means something substantial.

When/if all suits are similarly only specifically useful and similarly priced:

1) How does that effect the entry cost of suits-the price new players are paying to be competitive in them?
2) Are you going to assume that most of the cost of fits will lie in module fitting now?
3) Proponents of tiericide propose that suit bonuses rather than module fits will determine the uniqueness of different suit types/roles...what does this mean for the uniqueness of how each one is fit?

What I haven't heard from the tiericide folks is the approach tiericide will take toward the faucet:sink relationship that current STD>ADV>PRO gear has set up. The current tiers forces a significant relationship between cost and profit per match based on how strong of a suit you field.


The reason there is so much isk in the game at the moment has much less to do with tier/dropsuit balance and much more to do with the design of PC and the salvage rebates with Chromosome/Uprising. It is statistically impossible for everyone to eventually be running proto AND profit unless they all are just walking around in the game and not shooting each other.

Tl;DR: STD>ADV>PRO largely exists as an economic disincentive against fielding higher tier gear because pub match profit is so low. Please explain the micro/macro economic/cost/profit/incentive side of tiericide. Otherwise, I think this idea leads to an unsustainable and ultimately boring system.

Would like to see some numbers on how much you expect things to cost, is this going to mimic the EVE setup where a T1 ship costs 300k, but the T2 equivelent is like (not sure) 2 mill?

Or would specializing be same cost or negligibly higher, but module costs jumping like 1k-10k-40k a module?

Whats your opinion on modules? Keep them as is or change how they skill up?

Modules will mostly still stay the same (withstanding balance needs between level) cept for in prices to eat up what suit prices are lost out with this change.

So would you say then that, "Under tiericide, the bonuses and base stats on your suit will have the greater impact on the role of the suit than the way they are fit?"

Since people can't read.

How do you feel about modules having inherent disadvantages that decrease as tier increases paired with a smaller increase in benefit to what we have now? I'm mostly concerned with excessive stacking of modules, particularly HP and Damage modules on the fits we see currently. It would be much akin to some of the 1.7 vehicle modules.

Modules will mostly still stay the same (withstanding balance needs between level) cept for in prices to eat up what suit prices are lost out with this change.

See my point above. If you are then asking suit stats and bonuses to define roles, but increasing module costs, how much have you considered the marginal benefit of fitting STD>ADV>PRO modules?

Additionally, we start to get into a UI/Feedback issue then where players can currently be pretty aware of the marginal differences between suit performance just by looking at different suits (like the sharpshooter skill issue from updates prior). To the extent that modules did or did not determine performance differences you would be messing with this ability to prejudge your effectiveness vs. a target.

Also, dropsuit visuals and naming conventions would present its own learning curve to the new player that may not first be evident. Knowing all of the various races' individual t1 and t2 light/medium/heavy flavors would be tremendously overwhelming compared to the more conventionaly hierarchical approach that we currently have.

See my point above. If you are then asking suit stats and bonuses to define roles, but increasing module costs, how much have you considered the marginal benefit of fitting STD>ADV>PRO modules?

Additionally, we start to get into a UI/Feedback issue then where players can currently be pretty aware of the marginal differences between suit performance just by looking at different suits (like the sharpshooter skill issue from updates prior). To the extent that modules did or did not determine performance differences you would be messing with this ability to prejudge your effectiveness vs. a target.

Also, dropsuit visuals and naming conventions would present its own learning curve to the new player that may not first be evident. Knowing all of the various races' individual t1 and t2 light/medium/heavy flavors would be tremendously overwhelming compared to the more conventionaly hierarchical approach that we currently have.