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FLAY LOCKED
Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.13 12:40:00 -
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Will we be getting either of these with the proposed changes to dropsuits? If no, I'm okay with that, but I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this topic. |
Subject 36
Pradox One Proficiency V.
59
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Posted - 2014.01.13 12:43:00 -
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I'm going with no.
Amarr Templar & Caldari Patriot
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
121
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Posted - 2014.01.13 12:43:00 -
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I think they'll leave this question unanswered. Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire. |
LT SHANKS
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
1387
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Posted - 2014.01.13 12:51:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire. Deep down, isn't that what we all truly want? |
Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1043
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:10:00 -
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infantry respec (weapons, suits & upgrades) is inevitable with all the info we already know |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
4287
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:17:00 -
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I'm hoping for yes, but expecting no.
Of course, part of me is still hoping they'll rescind the claim that DUST has been released already, since it's still not release-ready yet. |
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe
Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation
470
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:26:00 -
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Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. |
Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
122
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:33:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then.
My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1414
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:35:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points.
Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ?
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Jack McReady
DUST University Ivy League
1044
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:50:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. balance changes is not the same as core mechanic changes.
balance changes every patch is fine, core mechanic changes every patch is not but they happen almost every patch because CCP devs still do not know which direction they want to go. a playstyle that you skilled into patches ago might be now unavailable or unviable (see scouts which got ninja nerfed patch after patch and it all started with movement speed normalization). CCP devalues SP investment choices and forces certain playstyles upon many players thus making the choice null and void from the beginning. beside that, many stuff was not available, a guy that wants to go minmatar heavy current only options are to suck it up and skill into amarr or just quit before he started playing.
also check latest blue posts, one of them confirmed that scouts get extra equipment slot but lose the sidearm. should all the players that went for scouts using sidearms only now ragequit again? full infantry respec is inevitable. |
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Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
123
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:51:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ?
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Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
1077
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:52:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:I'm hoping for yes, but expecting no.
I'm actually hoping for no respecs, but expecting there will be.
The CPM0 is, I think, universally in favor of offering respecs when those things are released, so I think there probably will be respecs.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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XxGhostWalkerxX Walker
Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives
4
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:00:00 -
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With the racial suits coming out I would say yes. Look at heavies have been stuck one suit for over year. To not give respests and say here they are now collect another 3 million for the race you want. A lot of people would be pissed. |
Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1417
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:02:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ? Yes
I thought so :) Long time since ive seen someone use something from that old anime, my first Eve Ship was called the Outlaw Star :)
Winner of the EU Squad Cup
"Go Go Power Rangers!"
"Accuracy"
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Lorhak Gannarsein
1198
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:18:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then.
I skilled into GalLogi when Uprising dropped, for that nifty equipment fitting bonus. Time passed, armour got buffed, and it was the FotM. Scanners came out, everyone started fitting them. Now GalLogi's going to HAVE to use scanners or sacrifice its bonus. This isn't the role I skilled into. I skilled into a squad support role; someone who could effectively use nanohives. And rep tools. And needles. And uplinks.
I skilled into Amarr Assault because I'd been using the ScR for a long time, and, well, heat reduction. No more heat reduction. Not the role I skilled into - I skilled into something that would complement my gun. Otherwise I'd just have skilled into Gallente Assault for the theme.
PRO tanker and proud.
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Maximus Stryker
Who Are Those Guys
772
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:35:00 -
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I suspect we will get a total respec
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Altina McAlterson
Pure Innocence. EoN.
794
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:03:00 -
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Maximus Stryker wrote:I suspect we will get a total respec I suspect not.
Good Advice
Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
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Drapedup Drippedout
0uter.Heaven
182
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:18:00 -
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Triple SP event would indicate save your SP, no respec coming. MAYBE a dropsuit skill tree refund (heavies = yes, mediums = no, scouts = yes). Expect to keep core skills/weapons for sure. Probably suits too. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
947
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:30:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:Rei Shepard wrote:Asha Starwind wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ? Yes Aisha Ctarl's was obviously a blatant Outlaw Star ripoff, but somehow this one snuck past me. Kudos on picking that one out Rei.
Buff passive scans & fix TTK!
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
607
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:34:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then.
THen why did vehicle users get a repsec when their vehicles changed? It makes no sense that I shouldn't be able to get one since your role completely changes depending on what race you skill into. |
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Awesome Pantaloons
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
221
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:36:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:I think they'll leave this question unanswered. Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire.
Some clones... just want to watch the forums burn.
"The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited."
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Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
1543
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:36:00 -
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Jack McReady wrote:infantry respec (weapons, suits & upgrades) is inevitable with all the info we already know
No it's not. I don't see any Skilltree changes so far.
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Joseph Ridgeson
WarRavens League of Infamy
301
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:48:00 -
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I say yes, a limited one. I think that is setting a good precedent for THIS game. I understand "this is New Eden" and "EVE doesn't do respecs!" but this is a different beast. EVE and DUST don't share that much in common. EVE's entire schtick is it's economy; calling EVE "an economy simulator with fighting" is something I believe is accurate and completely without insult. DUST is much more about "let's go kill that guy!" arcade-type fighting, like most shooters are.
Based off that sentiment, I feel that there should be limited respecs when there is a drastic change. Vehicle skills were changed drastically, therefore all points in Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades, and Turrets were given back to the players. That makes sense. When the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle were added, it was not a drastic enough of a change to refund the points. Makes sense. With the significant change in dropsuits beyond just the addition of suits, I believe a respec to be completely in order. It isn't just like a weapon; adding so many new suits creates a different style of gameplay beyond "I fight better at this range rather than that range." A new dropsuit changes what fittings you use, which is basically changing every thing about your character.
Based off what happened to Tanks, I see no reason why CCP wouldn't refund Dropsuit Command skill points. Dropsuit Upgrades, on the other hand, is much harder to say. Nothing was changed there but by proxy, people will certainly want to put points into new things. My father made his heavy as a proud Caldari (damn straight!) and hated the fact that the only heavies were those slavers. If he could have made himself a Caldari Heavy at the start, he would have likely put less points into Armor upgrades.
When it comes to Dropsuit Upgrades respec, I think that is the one that warrants more speculation and discussion. To me, the Dropsuit Command respec seems to be a no brainer.
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Sladen Faust
0uter.Heaven
27
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:32:00 -
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I believe Infantry should get a full Infantry refund. With the new bonuses for suits and new suits being introduced players will now be able to fully spec into the race they have been wanting for quite some time . With that the spectrum in to which infantry upgrades/weapons/gear is heavily influenced. Then truly people can play to their individual style.
As a fair warning though. Once we do get a refund we should be careful with what we put points into as the subject of bonuses and patch rumors have been flying left and right. I've played through Caldari nerfs and changes and will do so after update. |
LEHON Xeon
Pradox XVI Proficiency V.
61
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Posted - 2014.01.13 21:58:00 -
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I would have to demand at least a dropsuit command and upgrade tree respec, given how vehicles received one. The same principle applies now with suits. They're completely reworking the suits, eliminating certain bonuses and substituting other ones and maybe even removing certain skills or mods.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2817
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:04:00 -
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Asha Starwind wrote:I think they'll leave this question unanswered. Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire.
Well then you may call me an arsonist. Because if I lose my speed hacker to a piece of crap rep tool bonus & no dropsuit respec I will light this place up.
No.
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Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
2817
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:12:00 -
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Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then.
This isn't comparable. These new suit bonuses are not rebalances, they're complete reworks. Tanks are still tanks and they got a respec. Speed Hackers will no longer be speed hackers.
No.
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Lorhak Gannarsein
1205
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Posted - 2014.01.13 22:51:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. This isn't comparable. These new suit bonuses are not rebalances, they're complete reworks. Tanks are still tanks and they got a respec. Speed Hackers will no longer be speed hackers.
Vehicle overhaul was far more extensive than bonus changes. And we've had bonus changes before with no respec - less significant ones to be sure, but changes nonetheless. I DO hope that an infantry respec will be given, but it's disingenuous to suggest that the bonus changes are comparable to the vehicle rework.
PRO tanker and proud.
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True Adamance
Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire
5641
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:00:00 -
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Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.
When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.
What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.
Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. This isn't comparable. These new suit bonuses are not rebalances, they're complete reworks. Tanks are still tanks and they got a respec. Speed Hackers will no longer be speed hackers. Vehicle overhaul was far more extensive than bonus changes. And we've had bonus changes before with no respec - less significant ones to be sure, but changes nonetheless. I DO hope that an infantry respec will be given, but it's disingenuous to suggest that the bonus changes are comparable to the vehicle rework. True but we are looking at extensive and sweeping changes to bonuses and module types... not to mention if rumours are to be believed....which you should not..... all racial suits are being implemented. If ever was the time to have such a respec now would be it for infantry.
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BMSTUBBY
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
619
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Posted - 2014.01.13 23:09:00 -
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FLAY LOCKED wrote:Will we be getting either of these with the proposed changes to dropsuits? If no, I'm okay with that, but I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this topic. Only answer you will get from a blue tag will be no answer. 100% guarantee you that not one single blue tag will post in with an answer.
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