DUST Search - SP Refunds or Respecs?

Asha Starwind wrote:

Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote:

Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role.

When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic.

What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then.

Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then.

My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points.

GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride."

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Rusty Shallows 805	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:09:00 - [31] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: infantry respec (weapons, suits & upgrades) is inevitable with all the info we already know That would make it symmetrical with what happened in 1.7 Even if they did there will still be that one kid who put points into corporate management. It'll be a great good laugh. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 676	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:55:00 - [32] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. I put my sp in the amarr logi because of its self healing effects. I was able to heal my team and stay alive. Now its special ability is for spawn beacons? That's not what I skilled into that suit for. Now how the hell is that flavor of the month? Well im going Minnie logi since that's the only suit that is flat out dedicated to healing and support.
FLAY LOCKED Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.01.14 02:55:00 - [33] - Quote There are blue tags going around. BUMP!
TheWee BabySeamus Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 85	Posted - 2014.01.14 02:57:00 - [34] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Will we be getting either of these with the proposed changes to dropsuits? If no, I'm okay with that, but I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this topic. There should be 1 more respect guaranteed, and that is when they release the rest of the racial suits, vehicles, and weapons. If CCP doesn't give a respect at that point then they can kiss a good portion of their remaining player-base goodbye. Other than that I say no respecs Wee Baby Seamus-------------->DDB Director & #1 Sex chat operator
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 556	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:07:00 - [35] - Quote Dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrades, and weapons will need to be refunded in full if there is to be any infantry refund. Suit choice impacts what you choose to upgrade, and what modules you use. What weapons you choose are impacted by what suit you use, AND vice versa. Suits are being reworked, roles are being revamped or completely removed. These are changes that will fundamentally alter the infantry gameplay experience. Unless CCP wishes to further sow the seeds of discontent, they will offer a complete infantry refund, if not a full respec, come 1.8 or whenever racial parity finally arrives.
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1371	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:10:00 - [36] - Quote If they changed the tree for vehicles and gave them a respec I say yes for infantry. You are going to be changing the game play for everyone, why would you do such a major change and not give one. I say refund the SP in suits and weapons and not core skills is the best bet. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 98	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:13:00 - [37] - Quote They made vehicles much cheaper, harder to kill and more effective, without changing their roles ( except removing logis ). And they still handed out a respec to vehicles users. If they are completely changing the roles of suits, adding more suits and adding more weapons, why would that not justify a respec when compared to the vehicle change respec? I am not for respecs but since they made all vehicles stronger and gave them a respec, they better give one to ground pounders since all the suits and roles will be changing. Then I never want to hear the word respec again.
Clyffton Donovan Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 50	Posted - 2014.01.14 04:42:00 - [38] - Quote Try to remember the last time we had a triple sp event, it was announced weeks in advanced, much like this one. The day before it started they announced the commando. That way when they were approached for a respec, they could be like "well no, but you do have all that sp from the event", So I think this is what will happen. Director / Combat Medic Zulu Squad Leader Invictus Maneo~ "I Remain Unvanquished"
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6422	Posted - 2014.01.14 04:46:00 - [39] - Quote What you call "SP refund" we call "partial respec". If CCP overhauls the suits like they did with the tanks, you will definitely see a partial respec. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 64	Posted - 2014.01.14 05:15:00 - [40] - Quote Seeing how the vehicle respect thing was due to CCP actually deleting many skills, tiers, and almost all specialized roles and indeed all but a militia version and what amounts to a base variant, and this apparent change to infantry won't be deleting any roles but actually adding many things without altering any of the drop suit skill tree. No there is no need to concern ourselves with reallocating our SP. In all likely hood the Dropsuit Command tree will just have some new welcome branches added on. Isn't it great that we play a game where we have no SP cap and can essentially continue earning new things? The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.

Virtual Riot The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 123	Posted - 2014.01.14 05:46:00 - [41] - Quote ah herm herm Sorry to break it to all you guys who don't actually pay close enough attention to the going ons of this game, so you have petty debates on the forums, but at fanfest, and may other occasions, CCP stated that there will most likely be one additional respec with the addition of the rest of the racial variant suits. And thats a strong most likely So get over it
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1404	Posted - 2014.01.14 05:56:00 - [42] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: CCP stated that there will most likely be one additional respec with the addition of the rest of the racial variant suits. Wait, a respec? So that means I can get back that 2 mil I invested into things I don't use nor will ever use? GREAT! I can finally get Engineering and Electronics to 5. =/
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1074	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:43:00 - [43] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I'm hoping for yes, but expecting no. Of course, part of me is still hoping they'll rescind the claim that DUST has been released already, since it's still not release-ready yet. 1.7 angered a lot of folks. If the peak player numbers drop below 3000 or worse then CCP is going to be forced to offer an olive branch to the players still left Why? New consoles and new console games are slowly but steadily draining the Dust 514 playerbase. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 93	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:50:00 - [44] - Quote can someone post a link to all this info? I can never find anything useful on the forums... nothing in the dev blogs or announcements.
The Robot Devil molon labe. Public Disorder. 1550	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:57:00 - [45] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Now is the time to be playing more and saving not asking for refunds and respecs. There isn't even any offical news so you have a few good weeks to make that SP. No refunds needed, no credit check, get the items you want right then! If anything now is the time to start pulling the trigger more. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 361	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:09:00 - [46] - Quote http://youtu.be/40zjfBk5vEE?t=39m43s From EVE Vegas 2013. Take Atli's words as you will. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1075	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:11:00 - [47] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: can someone post a link to all this info? I can never find anything useful on the forums... nothing in the dev blogs or announcements. ** twitter** ****direct email***** But then the downside is not being able to mention some things. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6425	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:15:00 - [48] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Seeing how the vehicle respect thing was due to CCP actually deleting many skills, tiers, and almost all specialized roles and indeed all but a militia version and what amounts to a base variant, and this apparent change to infantry won't be deleting any roles but actually adding many things without altering any of the drop suit skill tree. No there is no need to concern ourselves with reallocating our SP. In all likely hood the Dropsuit Command tree will just have some new welcome branches added on. Isn't it great that we play a game where we have no SP cap and can essentially continue earning new things? The problem here is that Amarr scouts and Caldari scouts were not readily available when we started training for scouts. So many of who have trained up for either Gallente or Minmatar scout might not even like Minmatar or Gallente but were forced to. This is just like the Heavy suits who never had an option for Gallente, Minmatar or Caldari heavies. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 159	Posted - 2014.01.14 09:59:00 - [49] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Triple SP event would indicate save your SP, no respec coming. MAYBE a dropsuit skill tree refund (heavies = yes, mediums = no, scouts = yes). Expect to keep core skills/weapons for sure. Probably suits too. I agree that this makes sense. However, at the same time, you can't just issue a DS respec without a Core respec. I can see a partial for the suits (although I'd just put it back in Caldari Assault anyhow), but without adding the Core upgrades, it doesn't make sense. I can't see weapons being added to the respec. I am intrigued either way. If we get one, awesome, I can fix some mistakes I made early on. If not, awesome, because it will force people to adapt to the choices they've made and be more creative with their fittings. No matter what if should make for interesting times on and off the battlefield.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.14 10:27:00 - [50] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: 1.7 angered a lot of folks. If the peak player numbers drop below 3000 or worse then CCP is going to be forced to offer an olive branch to the players still left Looks at eve-offline graph and sees no drop in numbers... Nope, no you are nope.



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