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FLAY LOCKED Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 21	Posted - 2014.01.13 12:40:00 - [1] - Quote Will we be getting either of these with the proposed changes to dropsuits? If no, I'm okay with that, but I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this topic.
Subject 36 Pradox One Proficiency V. 59	Posted - 2014.01.13 12:43:00 - [2] - Quote I'm going with no. Amarr Templar & Caldari Patriot
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 121	Posted - 2014.01.13 12:43:00 - [3] - Quote I think they'll leave this question unanswered. Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire.
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1387	Posted - 2014.01.13 12:51:00 - [4] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire. Deep down, isn't that what we all truly want?
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1043	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:10:00 - [5] - Quote infantry respec (weapons, suits & upgrades) is inevitable with all the info we already know
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4287	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:17:00 - [6] - Quote I'm hoping for yes, but expecting no. Of course, part of me is still hoping they'll rescind the claim that DUST has been released already, since it's still not release-ready yet.
Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 470	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:26:00 - [7] - Quote Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then.
Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 122	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:33:00 - [8] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1414	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:35:00 - [9] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ? Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1044	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:50:00 - [10] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. balance changes is not the same as core mechanic changes. balance changes every patch is fine, core mechanic changes every patch is not but they happen almost every patch because CCP devs still do not know which direction they want to go. a playstyle that you skilled into patches ago might be now unavailable or unviable (see scouts which got ninja nerfed patch after patch and it all started with movement speed normalization). CCP devalues SP investment choices and forces certain playstyles upon many players thus making the choice null and void from the beginning. beside that, many stuff was not available, a guy that wants to go minmatar heavy current only options are to suck it up and skill into amarr or just quit before he started playing. also check latest blue posts, one of them confirmed that scouts get extra equipment slot but lose the sidearm. should all the players that went for scouts using sidearms only now ragequit again? full infantry respec is inevitable.

Asha Starwind VEXALATION CORPORATION Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage 123	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:51:00 - [11] - Quote Rei Shepard wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ? Yes
Soraya Xel The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1077	Posted - 2014.01.13 13:52:00 - [12] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I'm hoping for yes, but expecting no. I'm actually hoping for no respecs, but expecting there will be. The CPM0 is, I think, universally in favor of offering respecs when those things are released, so I think there probably will be respecs. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
XxGhostWalkerxX Walker Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 4	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:00:00 - [13] - Quote With the racial suits coming out I would say yes. Look at heavies have been stuck one suit for over year. To not give respests and say here they are now collect another 3 million for the race you want. A lot of people would be pissed.
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1417	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:02:00 - [14] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ? Yes I thought so :) Long time since ive seen someone use something from that old anime, my first Eve Ship was called the Outlaw Star :) Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Lorhak Gannarsein 1198	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:18:00 - [15] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. I skilled into GalLogi when Uprising dropped, for that nifty equipment fitting bonus. Time passed, armour got buffed, and it was the FotM. Scanners came out, everyone started fitting them. Now GalLogi's going to HAVE to use scanners or sacrifice its bonus. This isn't the role I skilled into. I skilled into a squad support role; someone who could effectively use nanohives. And rep tools. And needles. And uplinks. I skilled into Amarr Assault because I'd been using the ScR for a long time, and, well, heat reduction. No more heat reduction. Not the role I skilled into - I skilled into something that would complement my gun. Otherwise I'd just have skilled into Gallente Assault for the theme. PRO tanker and proud.
Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 772	Posted - 2014.01.13 14:35:00 - [16] - Quote I suspect we will get a total respec *Faction Channels for FW Staging* PIE Ground Control \| Caldari Hierarchy \| Turalyon \| Chosen Matari
Altina McAlterson Pure Innocence. EoN. 794	Posted - 2014.01.13 15:03:00 - [17] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: I suspect we will get a total respec I suspect not. Good Advice Grey 17 should have stayed missing.
Drapedup Drippedout 0uter.Heaven 182	Posted - 2014.01.13 15:18:00 - [18] - Quote Triple SP event would indicate save your SP, no respec coming. MAYBE a dropsuit skill tree refund (heavies = yes, mediums = no, scouts = yes). Expect to keep core skills/weapons for sure. Probably suits too.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 947	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:30:00 - [19] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Rei Shepard wrote: Asha Starwind wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Ive been wanting to ask, Outlaw Star ? Yes Aisha Ctarl's was obviously a blatant Outlaw Star ripoff, but somehow this one snuck past me. Kudos on picking that one out Rei. Buff passive scans & fix TTK! My Closed Beta Alts - Overlord Ulath, Overlord Bosse, Overlord Zero
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 607	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:34:00 - [20] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. THen why did vehicle users get a repsec when their vehicles changed? It makes no sense that I shouldn't be able to get one since your role completely changes depending on what race you skill into.

Awesome Pantaloons Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 221	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:36:00 - [21] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: I think they'll leave this question unanswered. Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire. Some clones... just want to watch the forums burn. "The Wrath of God is Immense. His Justice is Swift and Decisive. His Tolerance is Limited." -The Code of Demeanor
Aikuchi Tomaru Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 1543	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:36:00 - [22] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: infantry respec (weapons, suits & upgrades) is inevitable with all the info we already know No it's not. I don't see any Skilltree changes so far. Sign up for Caldari FW and defeat the evil Gallente Overlords!
Joseph Ridgeson WarRavens League of Infamy 301	Posted - 2014.01.13 19:48:00 - [23] - Quote I say yes, a limited one. I think that is setting a good precedent for THIS game. I understand "this is New Eden" and "EVE doesn't do respecs!" but this is a different beast. EVE and DUST don't share that much in common. EVE's entire schtick is it's economy; calling EVE "an economy simulator with fighting" is something I believe is accurate and completely without insult. DUST is much more about "let's go kill that guy!" arcade-type fighting, like most shooters are. Based off that sentiment, I feel that there should be limited respecs when there is a drastic change. Vehicle skills were changed drastically, therefore all points in Vehicle Command, Vehicle Upgrades, and Turrets were given back to the players. That makes sense. When the Rail Rifle and Combat Rifle were added, it was not a drastic enough of a change to refund the points. Makes sense. With the significant change in dropsuits beyond just the addition of suits, I believe a respec to be completely in order. It isn't just like a weapon; adding so many new suits creates a different style of gameplay beyond "I fight better at this range rather than that range." A new dropsuit changes what fittings you use, which is basically changing every thing about your character. Based off what happened to Tanks, I see no reason why CCP wouldn't refund Dropsuit Command skill points. Dropsuit Upgrades, on the other hand, is much harder to say. Nothing was changed there but by proxy, people will certainly want to put points into new things. My father made his heavy as a proud Caldari (damn straight!) and hated the fact that the only heavies were those slavers. If he could have made himself a Caldari Heavy at the start, he would have likely put less points into Armor upgrades. When it comes to Dropsuit Upgrades respec, I think that is the one that warrants more speculation and discussion. To me, the Dropsuit Command respec seems to be a no brainer. Be well. -Joseph
Sladen Faust 0uter.Heaven 27	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:32:00 - [24] - Quote I believe Infantry should get a full Infantry refund. With the new bonuses for suits and new suits being introduced players will now be able to fully spec into the race they have been wanting for quite some time . With that the spectrum in to which infantry upgrades/weapons/gear is heavily influenced. Then truly people can play to their individual style. As a fair warning though. Once we do get a refund we should be careful with what we put points into as the subject of bonuses and patch rumors have been flying left and right. I've played through Caldari nerfs and changes and will do so after update.
LEHON Xeon Pradox XVI Proficiency V. 61	Posted - 2014.01.13 21:58:00 - [25] - Quote I would have to demand at least a dropsuit command and upgrade tree respec, given how vehicles received one. The same principle applies now with suits. They're completely reworking the suits, eliminating certain bonuses and substituting other ones and maybe even removing certain skills or mods. Necrophillia: That Uncontrollable Urge To Crack Open A Cold One.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2817	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:04:00 - [26] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: I think they'll leave this question unanswered. Yes or no, the forums will be set on fire. Well then you may call me an arsonist. Because if I lose my speed hacker to a piece of crap rep tool bonus & no dropsuit respec I will light this place up. No.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2817	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:12:00 - [27] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. This isn't comparable. These new suit bonuses are not rebalances, they're complete reworks. Tanks are still tanks and they got a respec. Speed Hackers will no longer be speed hackers. No.
Lorhak Gannarsein 1205	Posted - 2014.01.13 22:51:00 - [28] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. This isn't comparable. These new suit bonuses are not rebalances, they're complete reworks. Tanks are still tanks and they got a respec. Speed Hackers will no longer be speed hackers. Vehicle overhaul was far more extensive than bonus changes. And we've had bonus changes before with no respec - less significant ones to be sure, but changes nonetheless. I DO hope that an infantry respec will be given, but it's disingenuous to suggest that the bonus changes are comparable to the vehicle rework. PRO tanker and proud.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5641	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:00:00 - [29] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. This isn't comparable. These new suit bonuses are not rebalances, they're complete reworks. Tanks are still tanks and they got a respec. Speed Hackers will no longer be speed hackers. Vehicle overhaul was far more extensive than bonus changes. And we've had bonus changes before with no respec - less significant ones to be sure, but changes nonetheless. I DO hope that an infantry respec will be given, but it's disingenuous to suggest that the bonus changes are comparable to the vehicle rework. True but we are looking at extensive and sweeping changes to bonuses and module types... not to mention if rumours are to be believed....which you should not..... all racial suits are being implemented. If ever was the time to have such a respec now would be it for infantry. "Face the enemy as a solid wall. For faith is your armour and through it, the enemy will find no breach" -Askura 10:3
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 619	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:09:00 - [30] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Will we be getting either of these with the proposed changes to dropsuits? If no, I'm okay with that, but I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this topic. Only answer you will get from a blue tag will be no answer. 100% guarantee you that not one single blue tag will post in with an answer. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.

Rusty Shallows 805	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:09:00 - [31] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: infantry respec (weapons, suits & upgrades) is inevitable with all the info we already know That would make it symmetrical with what happened in 1.7 Even if they did there will still be that one kid who put points into corporate management. It'll be a great good laugh. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 676	Posted - 2014.01.13 23:55:00 - [32] - Quote Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. I put my sp in the amarr logi because of its self healing effects. I was able to heal my team and stay alive. Now its special ability is for spawn beacons? That's not what I skilled into that suit for. Now how the hell is that flavor of the month? Well im going Minnie logi since that's the only suit that is flat out dedicated to healing and support.
FLAY LOCKED Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 22	Posted - 2014.01.14 02:55:00 - [33] - Quote There are blue tags going around. BUMP!
TheWee BabySeamus Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 85	Posted - 2014.01.14 02:57:00 - [34] - Quote FLAY LOCKED wrote: Will we be getting either of these with the proposed changes to dropsuits? If no, I'm okay with that, but I would love to hear what the Devs have to say about this topic. There should be 1 more respect guaranteed, and that is when they release the rest of the racial suits, vehicles, and weapons. If CCP doesn't give a respect at that point then they can kiss a good portion of their remaining player-base goodbye. Other than that I say no respecs Wee Baby Seamus-------------->DDB Director & #1 Sex chat operator
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 556	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:07:00 - [35] - Quote Dropsuit command, dropsuit upgrades, and weapons will need to be refunded in full if there is to be any infantry refund. Suit choice impacts what you choose to upgrade, and what modules you use. What weapons you choose are impacted by what suit you use, AND vice versa. Suits are being reworked, roles are being revamped or completely removed. These are changes that will fundamentally alter the infantry gameplay experience. Unless CCP wishes to further sow the seeds of discontent, they will offer a complete infantry refund, if not a full respec, come 1.8 or whenever racial parity finally arrives.
calvin b Ostrakon Agency Gallente Federation 1371	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:10:00 - [36] - Quote If they changed the tree for vehicles and gave them a respec I say yes for infantry. You are going to be changing the game play for everyone, why would you do such a major change and not give one. I say refund the SP in suits and weapons and not core skills is the best bet. TANK514 another sign of cancer in the game
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 98	Posted - 2014.01.14 03:13:00 - [37] - Quote They made vehicles much cheaper, harder to kill and more effective, without changing their roles ( except removing logis ). And they still handed out a respec to vehicles users. If they are completely changing the roles of suits, adding more suits and adding more weapons, why would that not justify a respec when compared to the vehicle change respec? I am not for respecs but since they made all vehicles stronger and gave them a respec, they better give one to ground pounders since all the suits and roles will be changing. Then I never want to hear the word respec again.
Clyffton Donovan Death Firm. Canis Eliminatus Operatives 50	Posted - 2014.01.14 04:42:00 - [38] - Quote Try to remember the last time we had a triple sp event, it was announced weeks in advanced, much like this one. The day before it started they announced the commando. That way when they were approached for a respec, they could be like "well no, but you do have all that sp from the event", So I think this is what will happen. Director / Combat Medic Zulu Squad Leader Invictus Maneo~ "I Remain Unvanquished"
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6422	Posted - 2014.01.14 04:46:00 - [39] - Quote What you call "SP refund" we call "partial respec". If CCP overhauls the suits like they did with the tanks, you will definitely see a partial respec. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Denn Maell PIanet Express Canis Eliminatus Operatives 64	Posted - 2014.01.14 05:15:00 - [40] - Quote Seeing how the vehicle respect thing was due to CCP actually deleting many skills, tiers, and almost all specialized roles and indeed all but a militia version and what amounts to a base variant, and this apparent change to infantry won't be deleting any roles but actually adding many things without altering any of the drop suit skill tree. No there is no need to concern ourselves with reallocating our SP. In all likely hood the Dropsuit Command tree will just have some new welcome branches added on. Isn't it great that we play a game where we have no SP cap and can essentially continue earning new things? The most OP weapon on the Dust Battle Field: One good logi, one rep tool, and a heavy.

Virtual Riot The Vanguardians INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 123	Posted - 2014.01.14 05:46:00 - [41] - Quote ah herm herm Sorry to break it to all you guys who don't actually pay close enough attention to the going ons of this game, so you have petty debates on the forums, but at fanfest, and may other occasions, CCP stated that there will most likely be one additional respec with the addition of the rest of the racial variant suits. And thats a strong most likely So get over it
LT SHANKS Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1404	Posted - 2014.01.14 05:56:00 - [42] - Quote Virtual Riot wrote: CCP stated that there will most likely be one additional respec with the addition of the rest of the racial variant suits. Wait, a respec? So that means I can get back that 2 mil I invested into things I don't use nor will ever use? GREAT! I can finally get Engineering and Electronics to 5. =/
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1074	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:43:00 - [43] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: I'm hoping for yes, but expecting no. Of course, part of me is still hoping they'll rescind the claim that DUST has been released already, since it's still not release-ready yet. 1.7 angered a lot of folks. If the peak player numbers drop below 3000 or worse then CCP is going to be forced to offer an olive branch to the players still left Why? New consoles and new console games are slowly but steadily draining the Dust 514 playerbase. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Lazy Scumbag Intara Direct Action Caldari State 93	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:50:00 - [44] - Quote can someone post a link to all this info? I can never find anything useful on the forums... nothing in the dev blogs or announcements.
The Robot Devil molon labe. Public Disorder. 1550	Posted - 2014.01.14 06:57:00 - [45] - Quote Asha Starwind wrote: Alan-Ibn-Xuan Al-Alasabe wrote: Every time something gets changed people ask for a respec and the answer is always "no". My favorite example was the assault logi from a few months ago, where the Caldari logi suit had the ability to get insane eHP and became the standard combat suit for everyone, regardless of their intentions to fill the support role. When CCP nerfed the logi suit back into its support role people demanded a respec and the rest of us laughed at them for wasting SP on an obviously broken mechanic. What I'm getting at is, put your SP into what you want to do, not what is currently at the top of the metagame. If mass drivers, a weapon not seeing much use right now, are what you find interesting go ahead and invest SP there. They'll be rebalanced back into relevance eventually, and you can still have fun with them until then. Plus even if you do throw SP into the current flavor of the month it's not like that SP is wasted. There's no cap on how much SP your character can have, so you can always get the suits and weapons you want later. Plus now you have whatever item you had before to use until then. My issue with wanting a respec is that what I wanted to put my sp into hasn't been or wasn't made available yet at the time of spending the points. Now is the time to be playing more and saving not asking for refunds and respecs. There isn't even any offical news so you have a few good weeks to make that SP. No refunds needed, no credit check, get the items you want right then! If anything now is the time to start pulling the trigger more. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 361	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:09:00 - [46] - Quote http://youtu.be/40zjfBk5vEE?t=39m43s From EVE Vegas 2013. Take Atli's words as you will. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1075	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:11:00 - [47] - Quote Lazy Scumbag wrote: can someone post a link to all this info? I can never find anything useful on the forums... nothing in the dev blogs or announcements. ** twitter** ****direct email***** But then the downside is not being able to mention some things. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6425	Posted - 2014.01.14 07:15:00 - [48] - Quote Denn Maell wrote: Seeing how the vehicle respect thing was due to CCP actually deleting many skills, tiers, and almost all specialized roles and indeed all but a militia version and what amounts to a base variant, and this apparent change to infantry won't be deleting any roles but actually adding many things without altering any of the drop suit skill tree. No there is no need to concern ourselves with reallocating our SP. In all likely hood the Dropsuit Command tree will just have some new welcome branches added on. Isn't it great that we play a game where we have no SP cap and can essentially continue earning new things? The problem here is that Amarr scouts and Caldari scouts were not readily available when we started training for scouts. So many of who have trained up for either Gallente or Minmatar scout might not even like Minmatar or Gallente but were forced to. This is just like the Heavy suits who never had an option for Gallente, Minmatar or Caldari heavies. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
excillon Nova Corps Marines Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 159	Posted - 2014.01.14 09:59:00 - [49] - Quote Drapedup Drippedout wrote: Triple SP event would indicate save your SP, no respec coming. MAYBE a dropsuit skill tree refund (heavies = yes, mediums = no, scouts = yes). Expect to keep core skills/weapons for sure. Probably suits too. I agree that this makes sense. However, at the same time, you can't just issue a DS respec without a Core respec. I can see a partial for the suits (although I'd just put it back in Caldari Assault anyhow), but without adding the Core upgrades, it doesn't make sense. I can't see weapons being added to the respec. I am intrigued either way. If we get one, awesome, I can fix some mistakes I made early on. If not, awesome, because it will force people to adapt to the choices they've made and be more creative with their fittings. No matter what if should make for interesting times on and off the battlefield.
Rasatsu Much Crying Old Experts 998	Posted - 2014.01.14 10:27:00 - [50] - Quote Tech Ohm Eaven wrote: 1.7 angered a lot of folks. If the peak player numbers drop below 3000 or worse then CCP is going to be forced to offer an olive branch to the players still left Looks at eve-offline graph and sees no drop in numbers... Nope, no you are nope.



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