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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:03:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:I posted this on another thread but would like to hear what Aero and everyone else thought about this idea:
I think Scouts should have a L and S weapon slot and 2 equipment slots but; equipping a Light and a Sidearm will only allow for 1 equipment to equipped invalidating the fitting if one tries to equip a second, and vice versa, choosing to equip 2 equipment items should invalidate a fitting that has more than one weapon equipped (whether it be light or sidearm)
I say stop trying to strong-arm us into a particular role and give us options! But make it so that opening one door closes the other, just adds so much more versatility in fitting creation IMO The problem with this is I'm fairly confident the game is not coded to allow conditional slot availability, and if you go back and edit the code for this (which is probably really deep down there) then you have the potential to create a lot of new bugs. A good idea, but probably a lot more trouble than it's worth. A simpler solution would simply be re-introducing the Type-I Type-II system.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
606
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:11:00 -
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Reav Hannari wrote:Justin Tymes wrote:Why is CCP taking away the scout side-arm? Just give scouts a second EQ slot, they need that side-arm to separate themselves from Logis. I think they see them as fast, electronic warfare type of logistics, except for the Minmatar. Move fast, locate the enemy and disrupt the enemies ability to locate you. The Minmatar is retaining its assassin role.
The problem with that is the Min Logi which has more EQ slots, more bulk, more CPU/PG, and more High/lows, while still moving relatively fast. You can even put upgrades that make it faster. Scouts need the side-arm to separate itself from the Min Logi. |
Charlotte O'Dell
Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2014.01.13 19:26:00 -
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At first, I thought, "oh no! I can't have a CR/KN fit anymore!" But then I thought: I can have a cloak/knife/RE fit. That is going to be the best objective defense **** ever. EVER. I approve. As long as scouts get a PG/CPU buff.
Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising
547
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Posted - 2014.01.13 20:32:00 -
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I hope for scout players that either the 2 equipment scout suit is one of 2 types available for each racial class like we had back in beta or that the light frame retains the 1 equipment with sidearm layout scout suits currently have. Either gives the suit class the variability I would want to see if I ever venture out of my safe little medium frame zone. |
Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division Top Men.
532
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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:24:00 -
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Zahle Undt wrote:I hope for scout players that either the 2 equipment scout suit is one of 2 types available for each racial class like we had back in beta or that the light frame retains the 1 equipment with sidearm layout scout suits currently have. Either gives the suit class the variability I would want to see if I ever venture out of my safe little medium frame zone. Why can't we just give the scout an additional sidearm, but don't add any more Pg/cpu than the EQ slot would recieve- You can fit all yur mods, and a equip, but not have space for a decent sidearm, or drop the equipment and gain more CPU for better mods/sodearm.
Or just leave boyh empty and throw proto knives+cloak+kincats on a adv suit?
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Johnny Guilt
Algintal Core
428
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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:34:00 -
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So the type 2 suit of the scout from beta?
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Kasira Vorrikesh
Fraternity of St. Venefice Amarr Empire
50
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Posted - 2014.01.14 08:56:00 -
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As a scout, I rarely use my sidearm (SMG); if I'm ever in a position where my light's not good enough, chances are I'm already dead anyway.
That said, I don't care for the idea of further limiting scout fitting options. Especially if the cloak ends up being not that great (which I'm beginning to suspect).
The only way this makes sense is if the scout tree is eventually split into stealth/non-stealth, with the latter having more conventional slot allocation. |
Galvan Nized
Deep Space Republic
525
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Posted - 2014.01.14 09:33:00 -
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Take my grenades but not my sidearm! This just murders the shotgun scout, NK scout, sniper scouts, and plasma cannon scouts.
If we go through with this we might as well just bury the shotgun and NKs.
I don't want my scout to be the mini logi, less slots but more speed...why wouldn't I just run a logi.
Seriously take the grenade slot away...am I the only one who fears ghost Cores flying in from every direction? |
Admonishment
The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo
71
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Posted - 2014.01.14 09:40:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:At this rate, I wonder if it will be better to just wait until CCP Remnant's posting rampage is over and compile a nice list of all major announcements. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1714603#post1714603CCP Remnant wrote:hgghyujh wrote:im okay with it, how ever I would like to see other light frame variants for hacking, assassination and battlefield intel.
that said current iterations need two equipment slots more then ever and the pg/cpu buff to go with it. Done and done. Though, you're gonna be losing a sidearm slot. (Also, I think people are gonna faint when they see the PG/CPU costs of cloak fields; Scouts'll be alright though) Wait wat? They want Scouts to lose sidearms when their best weapon is a shotgun? Shotgun only has so much ammo o,o. You put a nanohive down and that makes you an easy target. Every time you run out of ammo you go back to the nano-hive and someone could be waiting in the shadows. Honestly I sort of like it. Stop thinking of scouts as speedy assault players and start thinking of them as infiltrators and saboteurs. Sneak into enemy territory and hack their stuff and in general become a nuisance. The second equipment will help tremendously. You have low HP, so avoid combat and use your light weapon as a last resort. I know some of you like using your scout as more of a hunter, but there will be more light frame specializations in the future and perhaps one of those will be something more up your alley. Still, I'm not entirely convinced the scout sidearm needs to go.
I much prefer using my weapon as a first resort and causing confusion and chaos while flanking and picking off people along the way like I have always done. Not every scout wants to be just hackers/infiltrators. I prefer running behind a group and show them a business end of a shotgun. Having low hp shouldn't dictate what you are able to do in combat if you are smart about it. Right now is the concern not the future, right now my scout is used for what I mentioned. If those suits aren't implemented what good does that do me and the rest of the scouts that play the same way? If you don't want to use your suit the same way that's fine, but the rest of the scouts that chose a different path should not be forced into it. Pretty sure if one day the roles were reversed and this was affecting medium suits the whole community would be raging. I have run around with just 84 shield and 200 armor while picking off reds as they approach objectives. Pretty sure if I can run around with that little health and still get a noticeable amount of kills they can be used for combat.
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Sir Petersen
Valhalla Nord
461
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Posted - 2014.01.14 09:46:00 -
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I-Šve been running around with my Nova Knives for months now. Can-Št live without them.. This is tragic if it happens..
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Flyingconejo
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
393
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Posted - 2014.01.14 10:47:00 -
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Galvan Nized wrote:
I don't want my scout to be the mini logi, less slots but more speed...why wouldn't I just run a logi.
Seriously take the grenade slot away...am I the only one who fears ghost Cores flying in from every direction?
I don't see why scouts have to lose a slot at all, honestly.
A lot of weapons wont be used by scouts if they don't have a secondary slot available. PC, TacAR, Laser, Sniper, MD, NK, etc.... You will just be forcing all scouts to run with one of the four racial rifles, and maybe a shotgun, if they want to be able to help their team in all situations.
Hurrah for fit variability. |
Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
253
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Posted - 2014.01.14 11:38:00 -
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We shouldn't have to trade versatility for functionality. Just give scouts a second EQ slot and keep CPU/PG low so that we can't fit two pieces of equipment without sacrificing somewhere else, unless one of them is the cloak.
1L/1SA/1G/2EQ
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Fusion Commander
molon labe. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.14 12:15:00 -
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So what am I suppose to do when I have one shot left in my shotgun and I can't 1 hit kill, melee or activate the cloak that I'm only going to use to camp corners?
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Fusion Commander
molon labe. Public Disorder.
55
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Posted - 2014.01.14 12:16:00 -
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This is more of a nerf to me if anything |
Garrett Blacknova
Codex Troopers
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Posted - 2014.01.14 12:31:00 -
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Fusion Commander wrote:So what am I suppose to do when I have one shot left in my shotgun and I can't 1 hit kill, melee or activate the cloak that I'm only going to use to camp corners? Start cooking a grenade. |
Bad JuJu Jones
R 0 N 1 N
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Posted - 2014.02.05 06:14:00 -
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This is my two cents as a lot of what I am hearing here is that with only one weapon slot, us Nova Knife scouts are at a serious disadvantage. I for one chose to be a scout for the Nova Knife but it is such a difficult weapon to master and at such a disadvantage to all the high powered rifles out there that why can we not do this:
Take away the sidearm slot if you MUST, but leave the slot there so ONLY a Nova Knife can be equipped (No double SMG or Assault riffle and SMG combos). I think this is fair since many of us want the knives but due to their difficulty let us have that "backup" of having a gun of sorts.
The idea of only having Nova Knives as weapons in ALL situations you may come across is unreasonable even though I love the weapon and I know there are those who only use the knives, is it too much to ask to have an SMG or Pistol for backup?
Being a scout already is difficult enough as any attack that is not an instant kill on your enemy makes you 1 second from dead. CPP if you take away the sidearm and we knife users have only our knives please let us know what will give us a definite edge over our opponents.
I know some people will say just "Don't use knives" but then why even have them in the game? They are great weapons, a great challenge but lets not try to always go Mission Impossible.
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Bojo The Mighty
L.O.T.I.S.
3042
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Posted - 2014.02.05 07:00:00 -
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Bad JuJu Jones wrote:This is my two cents as a lot of what I am hearing here is that with only one weapon slot, us Nova Knife scouts are at a serious disadvantage. I for one chose to be a scout for the Nova Knife but it is such a difficult weapon to master and at such a disadvantage to all the high powered rifles out there that why can we not do this: Take away the sidearm slot if you MUST, but leave the slot there so ONLY a Nova Knife can be equipped (No double SMG or Assault riffle and SMG combos). I think this is fair since many of us want the knives but due to their difficulty let us have that "backup" of having a gun of sorts. The idea of only having Nova Knives as weapons in ALL situations you may come across is unreasonable even though I love the weapon and I know there are those who only use the knives, is it too much to ask to have an SMG or Pistol for backup? Being a scout already is difficult enough as any attack that is not an instant kill on your enemy makes you 1 second from dead. CPP if you take away the sidearm and we knife users have only our knives please let us know what will give us a definite edge over our opponents. I know some people will say just "Don't use knives" but then why even have them in the game? They are great weapons, a great challenge but lets not try to always go Mission Impossible. You realize this information is outdated and we do in fact keep our sidearm Check the feedback/requests. It's under Dropsuit Skills and fitting stats 1.8
Rifle Changes: DPS, range, and damage
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Joel II X
Dah Gods O Bacon
843
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Posted - 2014.02.05 07:05:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Bad JuJu Jones wrote:This is my two cents as a lot of what I am hearing here is that with only one weapon slot, us Nova Knife scouts are at a serious disadvantage. I for one chose to be a scout for the Nova Knife but it is such a difficult weapon to master and at such a disadvantage to all the high powered rifles out there that why can we not do this: Take away the sidearm slot if you MUST, but leave the slot there so ONLY a Nova Knife can be equipped (No double SMG or Assault riffle and SMG combos). I think this is fair since many of us want the knives but due to their difficulty let us have that "backup" of having a gun of sorts. The idea of only having Nova Knives as weapons in ALL situations you may come across is unreasonable even though I love the weapon and I know there are those who only use the knives, is it too much to ask to have an SMG or Pistol for backup? Being a scout already is difficult enough as any attack that is not an instant kill on your enemy makes you 1 second from dead. CPP if you take away the sidearm and we knife users have only our knives please let us know what will give us a definite edge over our opponents. I know some people will say just "Don't use knives" but then why even have them in the game? They are great weapons, a great challenge but lets not try to always go Mission Impossible. You realize this information is outdated and we do in fact keep our sidearm Check the feedback/requests. It's under Dropsuit Skills and fitting stats 1.8 This. People should really check other forums (including the Locker Room to sign the petition to change FoxFour's name to SoxFour). |
Bad JuJu Jones
R 0 N 1 N
3
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Posted - 2014.02.05 07:19:00 -
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Embarrassed
Thanks guys. You saved me a lot of grief |
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