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Denak Kalamari
Intaki Liberation Front
Intaki Prosperity Initiative
843
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Posted - 2014.01.13 12:50:00 -
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I'm relying on my sidearm to help finish off enemies when my shotgun fails me, but two equipment slots would finally allow me to use the combos I used in Chromosome again(Uplinks and remotes, ooooohhhhhh), not to mention a cloak and remote combination will be really awesome.
I'm really conflicted about this 
But I'm leaning more towards this being a bad idea, because having no sidearm would limit our effectiveness even more than the two equipment slots can compensate, and we are still going to be having one equipment slot only because you're just gimping yourself if you're using cloaks.
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The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
2065
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Posted - 2014.01.13 12:52:00 -
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Lol only a light weapon slot. Yeah right and i suspect scouts should run with a nova knife only around. Sounds like a troll on the minmatarr suit.
I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
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Sir Dukey
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
352
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Posted - 2014.01.13 12:55:00 -
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OH god no!! Side arm is mai life, how am i goingz to nova knfie without my Smg? |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
455
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:12:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:Some of the things I've heard seem good... But not all.
The sidearm thing may completely destroy many scout builds. For me, running as a breach shotgun scout may suck (side arms are a necessity when I sneak up on a tanked out logi and any heavy), and I may have to abandon the shotgun entirely until more light frame specializations arrive...
Still, two equipment slots seem nice. Who knows, with a scanner/cloak combo, one may never even need their sidearm... And never mind all the other possibilities that I don't even feel like mentioning.
Cloak and RE's could be the death of many HAV's... |
Korvin Lomont
United Pwnage Service
RISE of LEGION
455
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:15:00 -
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Omareth Nasadra wrote:nova knife only minja, are you fking kidding me ccp 
They discuss to exclude the minmatar scout, so if this stay true the mini scout will still have the sidearm but only one equipment slot as well.
I am halfway fine with this change also I don't think the siedearm restriction is needed as the scout is already weak enough but hey may be we get back a H/L slot aswell...(nothing confirmed or denied by CCP in that regard) |
John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
1577
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:19:00 -
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I doubt this is happening to all the scout suits. Most likely either the Caldari or Amarr scout is going to be the old type-2.
Even CCP wouldn't make a scout suit with a bonus to knives with only one weapon slot.... I think?
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Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
143
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:22:00 -
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I never had a 2 guns in my scout fit... only smg or pistol and RE in pocket = suicidebomber
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Logibro
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
12
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:32:00 -
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How is the loss of a side arm going to effect people who use Nova Knifes? Are you telling me they have to pick between a proper weapon or those dinky knives?
I am on the fence about this. Additional slots of equipment is great but at the cost of anything especially a side arm? I dont think that is very fair.
We will see how this pans out. I am just glad I dont have to worry about any of that on this character - being in a noob suit in a big heavy noisy tank. |
ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
12
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:34:00 -
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Garrett Blacknova wrote:Why are Nova Knife Scouts complaining?
You guys know you can stick Knives in your Light Weapon slot as well, right?
If you're a true Knifer, you don't bring a gun anyway.
Yes but how pigeon holed are you going to be?
No back up, and trust me I know a few good NK-ers in game but they are going to struggle not having another weapon along.
I dunno this just seems unnecessary to me. |
KenKaniff69
Fatal Absolution
Covert Intervention
1853
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:36:00 -
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I would have to guess that base stats and slot layouts are getting adjusted. Logi's simply have too much room right now even with a 25% disadvantage to fitting costs. This also should mean respec since the reason people skilled into particular suits has been completely revamped.
So about those vehicle locks...
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Surt gods end
Demon Ronin
1590
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Posted - 2014.01.13 13:42:00 -
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Relax everyone. Side arm on a scout was always used as a last resort for when...well.. lets put it out there you screwed up. Only reason I ever used my cala. Miss with shotty? sidearm. couldn't close the distance before you got detected? side arm.
Use the cloak AS your side arm.
*Isn't it a equipment?* 
It is. just listen man, Use the cloak after the kill. Use it to escape when caught, not infiltrate. We are masters of sneaking up on them now, and this is with out cloak. no bros, use it as a "teleport" out of danger. |
Asha Starwind
VEXALATION CORPORATION
Partners of Industrial Service and Salvage
124
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:00:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Relax everyone. Side arm on a scout was always used as a last resort for when...well.. lets put it out there you screwed up. Only reason I ever used my cala. Miss with shotty? sidearm. couldn't close the distance before you got detected? side arm. Use the cloak AS your side arm. *Isn't it a equipment?* It is. just listen man, Use the cloak after the kill. Use it to escape when caught, not infiltrate. We are masters of sneaking up on them now, and this is with out cloak. no bros, use it as a "teleport" out of danger.
As a kb/m user, nooooo... I can never agree with this not until the ****** radial menu is fixed.
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DeadlyAztec11
Ostrakon Agency
Gallente Federation
3240
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:02:00 -
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Damn! I just wasted SP on an advanced scout.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
9964
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:19:00 -
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Kind of sad to hear that actually, since shotgun / smg is a match made in heaven.
Hmm, guess it could be worth it.
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DTOracle
BlackWater Liquidations
INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
205
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:20:00 -
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Reads thread title
Packs away Nova Knives
Starts to clean Combat Rifle 'me & you are gonna be spending alot of time together' |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
864
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:26:00 -
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Aero Yassavi wrote:At this rate, I wonder if it will be better to just wait until CCP Remnant's posting rampage is over and compile a nice list of all major announcements. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1714603#post1714603CCP Remnant wrote:hgghyujh wrote:im okay with it, how ever I would like to see other light frame variants for hacking, assassination and battlefield intel.
that said current iterations need two equipment slots more then ever and the pg/cpu buff to go with it. Done and done. Though, you're gonna be losing a sidearm slot. (Also, I think people are gonna faint when they see the PG/CPU costs of cloak fields; Scouts'll be alright though)
Wait wat?
They want Scouts to lose sidearms when their best weapon is a shotgun? Shotgun only has so much ammo o,o. You put a nanohive down and that makes you an easy target. Every time you run out of ammo you go back to the nano-hive and someone could be waiting in the shadows.
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate
Amarr Empire
1198
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Posted - 2014.01.13 14:30:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Wait wat?
They want Scouts to lose sidearms when their best weapon is a shotgun? Shotgun only has so much ammo o,o. You put a nanohive down and that makes you an easy target. Every time you run out of ammo you go back to the nano-hive and someone could be waiting in the shadows.
Remnant was considering leaving the Min at 1x sidearm and 1x equipment.
It'll be difficult for Cal, Am, and Gal scouts to run non-rifle weaponry though. I'd be okay with it for my Cal scout.
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Uncle AWOL Protheans
The Renegades of the Untold Truth
63
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:08:00 -
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I'm with the idea of giving the scout specialist role double equipment, no sidearm, cloak pg/CPU boost, and leaving the basic light frame with a sidearm, 1 equipment slot, and smaller/no pg/CPU boost. Or add a black ops suit. |
X7 lion
Swamp Marines
68
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:10:00 -
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bu bu buht MY SHOT GUN KNIFE COMBO! nooooooo!!!!!! *table flip* |
Oswald Rehnquist
1081
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:13:00 -
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You really should post the full thing as you are going to create an uproar
Minjas are not getting a second equipment slot and are keeping their side arm unless more changes.
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CCP Remnant wrote:
Well, the thinking was to give the second EQP slot to GA, CA, AM suits and leave the Minmatar with one EQP slot and its sidearm. Still debating that one though.
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Aero Yassavi
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
4911
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:18:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:Aero Yassavi wrote:At this rate, I wonder if it will be better to just wait until CCP Remnant's posting rampage is over and compile a nice list of all major announcements. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1714603#post1714603CCP Remnant wrote:hgghyujh wrote:im okay with it, how ever I would like to see other light frame variants for hacking, assassination and battlefield intel.
that said current iterations need two equipment slots more then ever and the pg/cpu buff to go with it. Done and done. Though, you're gonna be losing a sidearm slot. (Also, I think people are gonna faint when they see the PG/CPU costs of cloak fields; Scouts'll be alright though) Wait wat? They want Scouts to lose sidearms when their best weapon is a shotgun? Shotgun only has so much ammo o,o. You put a nanohive down and that makes you an easy target. Every time you run out of ammo you go back to the nano-hive and someone could be waiting in the shadows.
Honestly I like it. Stop thinking of scouts as speedy assault players and start thinking of them as infiltrators and saboteurs. Sneak into enemy territory and hack their stuff and in general become a nuisance. The second equipment will help tremendously. You have low HP, so avoid combat and use your light weapon as a last resort.
I know some of you like using your scout as more of a hunter, but there will be more light frame specializations in the future and perhaps one of those will be something more up your alley. Still, I'm not convinced the scout sidearm needs to go.
ARC Commander
CPM Info and Q&A - Status: Open
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Monty Mole Clone
Shiv M
122
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:56:00 -
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i wonder if they get the old type b mele bonus |
1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
821
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Posted - 2014.01.13 15:59:00 -
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I posted this on another thread but would like to hear what Aero and everyone else thought about this idea:
I think Scouts should have a L and S weapon slot and 2 equipment slots but; equipping a Light and a Sidearm will only allow for 1 equipment to equipped invalidating the fitting if one tries to equip a second, and vice versa, choosing to equip 2 equipment items should invalidate a fitting that has more than one weapon equipped (whether it be light or sidearm)
I say stop trying to strong-arm us into a particular role and give us options! But make it so that opening one door closes the other, just adds so much more versatility in fitting creation IMO
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Knight Soiaire
BurgezzE.T.F
4430
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Posted - 2014.01.13 16:08:00 -
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Then can we please remove the Sidearm bonus from Minmatar Scouts?
Change it to a bonus to biotics, and buff Base Nova Knife damage to make up for the loss of the 25%.
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:14:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Then can we please remove the Sidearm bonus from Minmatar Scouts?
Change it to a bonus to biotics, and buff Base Nova Knife damage to make up for the loss of the 25%.
Chromosome let us pick between second equipment slot and sidearm...but now we have to skill both a racial light AND racial scout skill to have that same utility.
Skill discontinuity exists when a medium frame -> assault and logistics; complimentary paths that allow players to benefit from weapon and tanking skills already unlocked. But light suit-> scout and pilot; two skill pathways with very different SP branches.
Any chance you would consider leaving "scout" suits alone and just adding a parallel racial specialization path for each of these proposed specializations? I'd rather skill a Gallente infiltrator to get a second equipment slot as opposed to having to skill Minmatar light and scout trees to get my sidearm back. This way it feels like I'm gaining a specialization instead of forcibly losing my sidearm...
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Justin Tymes
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
604
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:18:00 -
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Why is CCP taking away the scout side-arm? Just give scouts a second EQ slot, they need that side-arm to separate themselves from Logis. |
Reav Hannari
Red Rock Outriders
2563
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:25:00 -
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Justin Tymes wrote:Why is CCP taking away the scout side-arm? Just give scouts a second EQ slot, they need that side-arm to separate themselves from Logis.
I think they see them as fast, electronic warfare type of logistics, except for the Minmatar. Move fast, locate the enemy and disrupt the enemies ability to locate you. The Minmatar is retaining its assassin role.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
The New Age Outlaws
WINMATAR.
2783
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:26:00 -
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Surt gods end wrote:Relax everyone. Side arm on a scout was always used as a last resort for when...well.. lets put it out there you screwed up. Only reason I ever used my cala. Miss with shotty? sidearm. couldn't close the distance before you got detected? side arm. Use the cloak AS your side arm. *Isn't it a equipment?* It is. just listen man, Use the cloak after the kill. Use it to escape when caught, not infiltrate. We are masters of sneaking up on them now, and this is with out cloak. no bros, use it as a "teleport" out of danger.
if you're using a side arm as only as last resort I am sorry. Side arms aren't a last resort 90% of the time they're better than a light weapon in cqc. They're a different weapon for a different situation.
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Lynn Beck
Granite Mercenary Division
Top Men.
530
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:31:00 -
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Why can't we have the Vk.1 return???
Either that, or give us the sidearm and equipment, but not the Pg/CPU to effectively fit them.
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John Demonsbane
Unorganized Ninja Infantry Tactics
League of Infamy
1577
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Posted - 2014.01.13 18:59:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:I posted this on another thread but would like to hear what Aero and everyone else thought about this idea:
I think Scouts should have a L and S weapon slot and 2 equipment slots but; equipping a Light and a Sidearm will only allow for 1 equipment to equipped invalidating the fitting if one tries to equip a second, and vice versa, choosing to equip 2 equipment items should invalidate a fitting that has more than one weapon equipped (whether it be light or sidearm)
I say stop trying to strong-arm us into a particular role and give us options! But make it so that opening one door closes the other, just adds so much more versatility in fitting creation IMO
Great idea. +1
Alternately you could split the races 50/50. Let the current scouts keep the sidearm and 1 EQ for those who already use them like that, add the two new scouts as type 2's. Collect data, see which ones are most successful and go from there.
"The line between disorder and order lies in logistics" -Sun Tzu
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