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Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1591	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:48:00 - [1] - Quote My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Long Evity 958	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:51:00 - [2] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Hi - I'm SoTa PoP. And I approve this message. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5581	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:53:00 - [3] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. True Adamance approves Tiercide on behalf of the Amarr Empire. To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Long Evity 958	Posted - 2014.01.12 19:56:00 - [4] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. True Adamance approves Tiercide on behalf of the Amarr Empire. As for your sig: Kelly's Heroes. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1952	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:00:00 - [5] - Quote As in, no more Proto? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3380	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:01:00 - [6] - Quote As 2nd In Command of Living Like Larry Schwag, I approve this message. Atiim (Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher) Tank Spammer Tank Spammer (Soma - MLT 80GJ Blaster) Atiim And this is why I drink.
Jason Pearson 3858	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:02:00 - [7] - Quote <-- This guy has no clue because he keeps getting told what it is and then forgetting. APPROVED. King of the Forums // Vehicle Specialist for Hire \\ Bad Mathematician You're a total git, Jason. - Kingbabar
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5582	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:08:00 - [8] - Quote Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. True Adamance approves Tiercide on behalf of the Amarr Empire. As for your sig: Kelly's Heroes. You are 3 weeks to late for the ISK prize.... now I'm broke....but you could give me ISK....? To a Texan like you, a hero is some type of weird sandwich, not some nut who takes on three Gunlogi. Reference = ISK
Vulcanus Lightbringer Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 177	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:08:00 - [9] - Quote On befalh of the League of Beleaguered Gentlemen,I approve this message.
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 110	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:11:00 - [10] - Quote I approve. Make it so Number One.

Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:14:00 - [11] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Yes, please, then my milita game mode would become irrelevant and we could focus on new ideas for game modes and maintain balance of competition. Btw, when are you joining, Dem Durrty Boyz. I would hate to blow you up in PC...... Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:15:00 - [12] - Quote Jason Pearson wrote: <-- This guy has no clue because he keeps getting told what it is and then forgetting. APPROVED. It would be the best thing that has happened to dust, ever. That is all anyone really needs to know! Nuff Said
Benjamin Ciscko The Generals General Tso's Alliance 1194	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:18:00 - [13] - Quote I approve this message. Caldari Tanker/Minmatar Assault Forum warrior lvl 1
The Robot Devil molon labe. Public Disorder. 1510	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:19:00 - [14] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Are you all communist? What is wrong with all of you? Let's make every thing the same so we can get good fights? Screw off. You are thinking the game. I want to know how tiericide is going to work and fix the game. This idea is pathetic. Please explain how this works and why I should play if my SP means nothing because everything is the same. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
The Robot Devil molon labe. Public Disorder. 1510	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:22:00 - [15] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. True Adamance approves Tiercide on behalf of the Amarr Empire. As for your sig: Kelly's Heroes. You are 3 weeks to late for the ISK prize.... now I'm broke....but you could give me ISK....? There should be a charge not a prise. This is stupid and I don't understand the point of it. Where will the game go with all suits and weapons available to everyone at any time. Time invested should mean something, SP place meant should mean something. This is junk and hurts the game. GÇ£No sympathy for the devil; keep that in mind. Buy the ticket, take the ride." Hunter S. Thompson
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3381	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:27:00 - [16] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Are you all communist? What is wrong with all of you? Let's make every thing the same so we can get good fights? Screw off. You are thinking the game. I want to know how tiericide is going to work and fix the game. This idea is pathetic. Please explain how this works and why I should play if my SP means nothing because everything is the same. Tiericide would give all suits of that role's race the same slot layout from STD/ADV/PRO. The advantage of SP would come from the suits bonus, and higher CPU/PG amounts. It would fix matchmaking because new players would become competitive, but the vets would still have the advantage and shinier toys. Atiim (Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher) Tank Spammer Tank Spammer (Soma - MLT 80GJ Blaster) Atiim And this is why I drink.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 419	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:28:00 - [17] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Are you all communist? What is wrong with all of you? Let's make every thing the same so we can get good fights? Screw off. You are thinking the game. I want to know how tiericide is going to work and fix the game. This idea is pathetic. Please explain how this works and why I should play if my SP means nothing because everything is the same. Basically, sinks are a thing of the past and each skill gives a meaningful bonus. Less emphasis on the suits you run and more emphasis on how you fit those suits. Each suit is geared towards a specific role, kinda like specialist suits not but more extreme. No SP will still be very important. Just in a different way then you are used to (IE the I win button that is proto stomping!) We all want a competitive game, right? Nuff Said
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 1803	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:28:00 - [18] - Quote We mean tiercide like how EVE did it, not how you are describing Robot... facepalm If done like EVE it would be much easier to balance and SP would still mean a lot and it would take a while to unlock new crap just like now, and unfortunately I don't have the time nor the energy to explain it further but just take a look at how the EVE ships are with role bonuses and lack of basic/adv/proto, and the skills required to unlock ships. You'd still have an advantage if you skilled into the T2 crap, just like in EVE where an assault frigate (T2) will usually in a gunfight demolish a normal frigate (T1). Closed Beta Vet Reading the forums detracts from overall enjoyment of the game
Long Evity 961	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:28:00 - [19] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Are you all communist? What is wrong with all of you? Let's make every thing the same so we can get good fights? Screw off. You are thinking the game. I want to know how tiericide is going to work and fix the game. This idea is pathetic. Please explain how this works and why I should play if my SP means nothing because everything is the same. You're looking at it wrong. Just because there's a place where you can't use your SP to gain the edge doesn't mean PC, FW, or other pub matches are stopping you from doing it. Tericide just gives a place where people don't have to rely on a broken match making system to find games that aren't completely one sided because one side has too many blue berries who can't deal with the level of equipment/gear used on the other side. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
True Adamance Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 5585	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:32:00 - [20] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. True Adamance approves Tiercide on behalf of the Amarr Empire. As for your sig: Kelly's Heroes. You are 3 weeks to late for the ISK prize.... now I'm broke....but you could give me ISK....? There should be a charge not a prise. This is stupid and I don't understand the point of it. Where will the game go with all suits and weapons available to everyone at any time. Time invested should mean something, SP place meant should mean something. This is junk and hurts the game. I don't think so. Tech 1 would essentially be the advances frame slot layouts we have now. Tech would be the specialist suits with the bonuses and slightly better base stats (but not HP). You would be using SP to layer bonuses on top of those more balanced suits. Sig wanted......

Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 415	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:33:00 - [21] - Quote Unless they fix matchmaking nothing will change. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 111	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:43:00 - [22] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: True Adamance wrote: Long Evity wrote: True Adamance wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. True Adamance approves Tiercide on behalf of the Amarr Empire. As for your sig: Kelly's Heroes. You are 3 weeks to late for the ISK prize.... now I'm broke....but you could give me ISK....? There should be a charge not a prise. This is stupid and I don't understand the point of it. Where will the game go with all suits and weapons available to everyone at any time. Time invested should mean something, SP place meant should mean something. This is junk and hurts the game. You, sir, are wrong in every conceivable way a human being can possibly be wrong. Now that that's out of the way, it's not a matter of "EVERYTHING INSTANTLY AVAILABLE!!!" SP would actually mean more because there would be a greater diversity to specialization between players as opposed to "Dump ALL SP into Proto Wep/Shield/Armor" which is the standard fare currently and is the current First Order Optimal Solution. Absolutely NOTHING else matters which is why this is a glorified lobby shooter with, in all actuality, only Team Deathmatch as the available option. There are no tactics because nothing matters beyond ability to murder the opposition. We're talking about a greater diversity of suits and skills which means greater number of options for players beyond "Go hunt kill". You want a game with tactics, then allow players to be stronger in more than just killing, instead of making 'bullet to face' the be-all end-all solution.
Guildo Crow ZionTCD Public Disorder. 182	Posted - 2014.01.12 20:50:00 - [23] - Quote I approve of tier-cide. It worked in Eve, it'll work in Dust; and honestly, it's inevitable. CCP, you might as well get it over and done with now.
Ranger SnakeBlood OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 286	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:01:00 - [24] - Quote +1 Ranger SnakeBlood approves of tiericide It is better for diversity and should make the game alot easier to balance
Jebus McKing molon labe. Public Disorder. 226	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:13:00 - [25] - Quote My name is Jebus McKing, I'm a nobody who's been here since closed beta, and I approve this message. @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1090	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:31:00 - [26] - Quote i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly.
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 112	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:35:00 - [27] - Quote low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple.
Waiyu Ren Immortal Guides 1	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:40:00 - [28] - Quote I'm a newberry to this game, but i've been gaming since before designated roles were even a "thing" in FPS, and scarily enough, before some of those that play them were even born.... Dust, with its "Progression matters" ideal, has a far better chance of realizing what was always intended by allowing the use of differing roles than the more casual games available. Roles are a good thing. If done well, they open FPS games up to such things as strategy and tactics, where before they existed only twitch-skill mattered. Further diversification of roles, if done well, can never make a game worse..... If anything it will keep players longer, due to the added depth of being able to try a greater number of strategies when facing a better opponent. Opening the ability to take a Logi style fitting at basic level will not break the game, nor will it "balance" it to the point of blandness. If anything, it would give newer players a better feel for what is already a good game, but hindered by the need to be somewhat masochistic in order to progress to the point where those interesting options become available. I approve of Tiericide. :)
Scheneighnay McBob Circle of Huskarl Minmatar Republic 3549	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:49:00 - [29] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: As in, no more Proto? As in, everything is the same tier. That could very well mean that everyone has proto stats. We used to have a time machine
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 416	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:52:00 - [30] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles

Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 112	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:56:00 - [31] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 403	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:57:00 - [32] - Quote I am the noob. A drunk caveman and a tea drinking British scout. I approve of this message Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! British ninja cowboy
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1604	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:04:00 - [33] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Yes, please, then my milita game mode would become irrelevant and we could focus on new ideas for game modes and maintain balance of competition. Btw, when are you joining, Dem Durrty Boyz. I would hate to blow you up in PC...... I like Fatal Absolution. Me and Ninja are the most OP team ever since Lili/Grodd/Char mode. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 809	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:07:00 - [34] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. Yes why would we want a Sandbox Matchmaking system in a sandbox galaxy where players could choose their own level of risk vs reward. Specially when we can have an automated matchmaking system... and completely rework the entire way the suits work... Creating giant cookie cutter fits at different stages and absolutely no variation based upon effort and skill... At some point making DUST "Easy" is not gonna be a solution you can turn to anymore when another mass exodus happens. If this does happen.... people just don't know what they are asking for.. Bye Bye DUST as we ever new it. Welcome a game already done 10 times over already.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 417	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:08:00 - [35] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. If matches were relatively even to begin with nobody would be asking for tiericide in the first place. I have 5 proto level weapons, 2 adv suits and 1 proto, I have role diversity, it means nothing when there is no chance to win to begin with. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:09:00 - [36] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. Yes why would we want a Sandbox Matchmaking system in a sandbox galaxy where players could choose their own level of risk vs reward. Specially when we can have an automated matchmaking system... and could completely rework the entire way the suits work... Creating giant cookie cutter fits at different stages and absolutely no variation based upon effort and skill... At some point making DUST "Easy" is not gonna be a solution you can turn to anymore when another mass exodus happens. If this does happen.... people just don't know what they are asking for.. Bye Bye DUST as we ever knew it. Welcome a game already done 10 times over already. A sandbox is the ultimate goal but for the moment that seems to be an impossibly Herculean task for our poor developers. Currently there is no sandbox, just a lobby shooter. So until that time make the best of what we have.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6406	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:12:00 - [37] - Quote For those of you who haven't a single clue what tieracide is, here is a comprehensive Dev Blog dating back to 2012 that gives you an Eve Online perspective on how ship tieracide works. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/9129 OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1605	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:12:00 - [38] - Quote low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. you underestimate my QQing abilities. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 491	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:13:00 - [39] - Quote I approve tiercide, as a scout, logistics, and assault. I wish I could say the same thing about heavies, but the Gallente don't have them yet.
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 980	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:14:00 - [40] - Quote I am The Artificer. I approve of Tiercide. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 301	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:50:00 - [41] - Quote The idea being that gaining more SP unlocks more specialization rather than just unequivocally better all-around equipment. Yes, I approve. Although this article should link to one of the threads about how it should work. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Sextus Hardcock 0uter.Heaven 198	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:55:00 - [42] - Quote Mr. Hardcock, sixth son of Primus Hardcock approves of Tiericide.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 421	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:55:00 - [43] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Yes, please, then my milita game mode would become irrelevant and we could focus on new ideas for game modes and maintain balance of competition. Btw, when are you joining, Dem Durrty Boyz. I would hate to blow you up in PC...... I like Fatal Absolution. Me and Ninja are the most OP team ever since Lili/Grodd/Char mode. I like Ninja too, he is a goood tanker. Aside from you I guess but I haven't seen you out there! Nuff Said
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1038	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:56:00 - [44] - Quote So what would the details be? Are we expecting CCP to come up with dozens of new suit types? Or would they just remove lots of suits? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Rusty Shallows 791	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:06:00 - [45] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: snip Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. I do not understand so will you please select one of the following Act of game design Tiercide where the number of Tiers are reduced Game play Tiercide where the best gear options are used in battle Architectural game design Tiercide where there are defined roles that are strictly enforced Some other kind that is completely different or a mix of the above. I'd so please define. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:27:00 - [46] - Quote What is being suggested and clamored for can be summarized as follows: Tiers (STD, ADV, PRO) are replaced by "specialization lines" (Attack, Combat, Disruption, Support). The argument against tiers is that it is subject to power creep; PRO suits are better than STD suits in all regards except price. Tiericide would replace this with having a variety of suits of the same type vaguely specialized towards one aspect of a given role. So, for example: Attack suits are focused on skirmish roles (lightly armored, fast, good firepower); Combat suits are focused on front line roles (heavier armor, slower, excellent firepower); Disruption suits are focused on EWAR (scanning, hacking, etc...); Support suits are focused on aiding others (repair, suppression, resupply, etc...). These "specialization lines" also apply to specializations (Assault, Logistics, etc...), but are much more focused on a given task. The mix of high cost and large bonuses on these makes not fitting them for their intended role sub-optimal. All in all, it's a change that will be good for the health of the game, and one that I wholeheartedly support as it helps create a self-sustaining meta-game.
fred orpaul Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 311	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:33:00 - [47] - Quote yep I back this 100%
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 214	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:42:00 - [48] - Quote low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. I'm actually ok with that but teircide does need to happen.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 214	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:47:00 - [49] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: As in, no more Proto? As in, everything is the same tier. That could very well mean that everyone has proto stats. not quite, all suits would be brought up to proto level and the levels in the skill would grant bonuses to the suits as well as unlock suits with slightly different roles or bonused weapons. weapons and modules would still be have teirs.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 214	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:49:00 - [50] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. Yes why would we want a Sandbox Matchmaking system in a sandbox galaxy where players could choose their own level of risk vs reward. Specially when we can have an automated matchmaking system... and could completely rework the entire way the suits work... Creating giant cookie cutter fits at different stages and absolutely no variation based upon effort and skill... At some point making DUST "Easy" is not gonna be a solution you can turn to anymore when another mass exodus happens. If this does happen.... people just don't know what they are asking for.. Bye Bye DUST as we ever knew it. Welcome a game already done 10 times over already. this is a great Idea oh wait we don't have the player base for it.

Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 119	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:26:00 - [51] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: this is a great Idea oh wait we don't have the player base for it. Answered a little while ago, actually.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:58:00 - [52] - Quote I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered.
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:59:00 - [53] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox?
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:03:00 - [54] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox? More content before sandbox, hell get the dam market running before tierside bullcrap first. Priorities people! Bring out pve/pvpve first for better income.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1956	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:07:00 - [55] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: As in, no more Proto? As in, everything is the same tier. That could very well mean that everyone has proto stats. I like it. Do we get to keep the bonuses? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:08:00 - [56] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox? More content before sandbox, hell get the dam market running before tierside bullcrap first. Priorities people! Bring out pve/pvpve first for better income. Sandbox = content
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2553	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:10:00 - [57] - Quote I presented my initial concept for dropsuit tiericide. Some good feedback in that thread and I think some lack of understanding. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134474 // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 677	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:14:00 - [58] - Quote I approve of tiercide, but that description of it isn't really right. tech 2 hulls wouldn't have those. They would be focued around one central idea, and would do it different way. For example, logistics ships wouldn't have attack functions. THey also wouldn't be good at EWAR. Just being a logi. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:19:00 - [59] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox? More content before sandbox, hell get the dam market running before tierside bullcrap first. Priorities people! Bring out pve/pvpve first for better income. Sandbox = content But teirside isn't really. It is just a 'quick fix' to remove something (justified mind you) by adding something else that won't really do much for the game. What needs to be fixed first is pvpve/pve and the market link from eve to dust and the release of all suits and gear new maps and modes. This is content. Teirside is a waste of time thus I say no to it for now and it does not need to be looked into being implemented (yet).
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:23:00 - [60] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: What needs to be fixed first is pvpve/pve and the market link from eve to dust and the release of all suits and gear new maps and modes. This is content. Teirside is a waste of time thus I say no to it for now and it does not need to be looked into being implemented (yet). I disagree. If they allow more options to be open to the players, then tactics and such can improve the quality of life, as well as giving meaning to many of the things that one might find on the eventual marketplace, causing the economic action of supply and demand to start working on a larger area (Right now, the only 'good' selling items would be Wep/Shield/Armor/Damage mods). It would also make the fights in FW simultaneously more interesting and involved.

Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:18:00 - [61] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: What needs to be fixed first is pvpve/pve and the market link from eve to dust and the release of all suits and gear new maps and modes. This is content. Teirside is a waste of time thus I say no to it for now and it does not need to be looked into being implemented (yet). I disagree. If they allow more options to be open to the players, then tactics and such can improve the quality of life, as well as giving meaning to many of the things that one might find on the eventual marketplace, causing the economic action of supply and demand to start working on a larger area (Right now, the only 'good' selling items would be Wep/Shield/Armor/Damage mods). It would also make the fights in FW simultaneously more interesting and involved. Actually it won't and the reason for that is due to the meta people will still focus on what is the best and quickest way to min/max their SP which will bring a lot more issues in its own right but we will have MORE options for it. As for tactics, I'm sorry but regardless of teirside or not an organized group will still stomp on the 'blueberries' and rage posting will continue. Basically there is no tactics still just more options on how to die (in game) and to stomp harder. I have to agree on the market being a little more interesting but until it is actually implemented I'll wait and see. As an established player (as you mentioned making FW more interesting) you would already have the isk, friends and corporation to help fund you but and everyone here that I've read are only thinking about 'let's fix "X" because I want a better gaming experience and nuts to anyone else!' mentally. Ok let me inform on why teirside not should not be even considered right now. Player retention and content required. Yes we all know that Dust is still considered still in 'Beta" because of the lack of pve, suits, gear, advance/proto HAVs etc. What happens if a new player wanted to earn isk but didn't understand the controls or the game in general and was inexperienced in pvp? The last thing they want is to be destroyed in FW or joining a random skirmish with everyone AFK in the MCC which doesn't give a good impression at all. The best option? Pve. Let them do a few missions to clear out drones at X planet in Y system while earning some standing with the faction navy of their choice and earning a little isk and books on the side to get them started. A tutorial mode can help guide the new player and ease them into the the eternal fight that is new eden or what not. As a 2007 eve pilot I've done mission at an early stage, to low sec roaming and finally to null sec blob warfare and believe me when I say that we do not need teirside yet. We need market pvp. We need the rest of the suits and vehicles. We need god damn pve/pvpve and a tutorial for new people. Once these are established then bring in teirside for specializations sack.
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 676	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:26:00 - [62] - Quote Signed i love this idea!
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1615	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:29:00 - [63] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: What needs to be fixed first is pvpve/pve and the market link from eve to dust and the release of all suits and gear new maps and modes. This is content. Teirside is a waste of time thus I say no to it for now and it does not need to be looked into being implemented (yet). I disagree. If they allow more options to be open to the players, then tactics and such can improve the quality of life, as well as giving meaning to many of the things that one might find on the eventual marketplace, causing the economic action of supply and demand to start working on a larger area (Right now, the only 'good' selling items would be Wep/Shield/Armor/Damage mods). It would also make the fights in FW simultaneously more interesting and involved. Actually it won't and the reason for that is due to the meta people will still focus on what is the best and quickest way to min/max their SP which will bring a lot more issues in its own right but we will have MORE options for it. As for tactics, I'm sorry but regardless of teirside or not an organized group will still stomp on the 'blueberries' and rage posting will continue. Basically there is no tactics still just more options on how to die (in game) and to stomp harder. I have to agree on the market being a little more interesting but until it is actually implemented I'll wait and see. As an established player (as you mentioned making FW more interesting) you would already have the isk, friends and corporation to help fund you but and everyone here that I've read are only thinking about 'let's fix "X" because I want a better gaming experience and nuts to anyone else!' mentally. Ok let me inform on why teirside not should not be even considered right now. Player retention and content required. Yes we all know that Dust is still considered still in 'Beta" because of the lack of pve, suits, gear, advance/proto HAVs etc. What happens if a new player wanted to earn isk but didn't understand the controls or the game in general and was inexperienced in pvp? The last thing they want is to be destroyed in FW or joining a random skirmish with everyone AFK in the MCC which doesn't give a good impression at all. The best option? Pve. Let them do a few missions to clear out drones at X planet in Y system while earning some standing with the faction navy of their choice and earning a little isk and books on the side to get them started. A tutorial mode can help guide the new player and ease them into the the eternal fight that is new eden or what not. As a 2007 eve pilot I've done mission at an early stage, to low sec roaming and finally to null sec blob warfare and believe me when I say that we do not need teirside yet. We need market pvp. We need the rest of the suits and vehicles. We need god damn pve/pvpve and a tutorial for new people. Once these are established then bring in teirside for specializations sake. i agre that we dont need it now, but when we have the racial parity, pve, and a market, we should do it...and probably a respec when that happens bc no one will have relevant skills. lol Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:31:00 - [64] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: We need market pvp. Again, fighting over the prices of.....what? Proto mods? Those mostly once again being only Weapon Shield Armor and Damage? Newbies come in now, get destroyed 45 times and learn nothing. Newbies in Eve grab a frigate specialized for what they think would be neat and rock out and, even when they get destroyed, they still go right back and do it again because they enjoyed what they were doing. Along the way, they learned why they got blasted and adjust for it. You want PVE? So what are you going to do with the stuff that you pick up that is not one of the desired mods? Because, you know no one is going to buy them if they aren't one of the four (save for edge cases). Lets assume the market opens. People decide to try something different because the mods are cheap. They get destroyed because this is currently a binary game where raw damage wins all. Now, add specialization in. They may not kill that Vet, but if they can keep him tied down and his teammates demolish him..Newb then feels accomplished, even if the vet destroyed him in the process. He contributed. Now, it doesn't matter that he went 0/45, he's found a role that works and can specialize further in it, or try something else.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 263	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:37:00 - [65] - Quote I belive all suits should have skills per lvl and good ones to promote skilling into them, not suits that are just plain better.
Sextus Hardcock 0uter.Heaven 199	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:49:00 - [66] - Quote It's Tiericide, not Tierside. like Homocide, except for tiers. sorry, but I just wanted to clear that up. (The word kind of explains itself if you spell it right)
boba's fetta Dead Man's Game 179	Posted - 2014.01.13 03:58:00 - [67] - Quote i personally do not think it will help. i think lower endd players need to be seperated from the protostompers. pve is the way to go along with banning proto gear in high sec fights. though the proto users need a place they can play with there toys and sadly pc/faction just isnt it atm. and honestly why bother giving the lower end suits more slots that new players wont be able to fill anyway. and its not going to stop the higher sp toons piling whatever high end gear they can on cheaper suits. i think all this is going to do is delay the release of new content. i see you all screaming about why havnt the fan fest promises been kept? could it be because every damm thing is being rebalanced over and over again so there is no time for more new content. let ccp make the game then add the polish.
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:11:00 - [68] - Quote boba's fetta wrote: i personally do not think it will help. i think lower endd players need to be seperated from the protostompers. pve is the way to go along with banning proto gear in high sec fights. though the proto users need a place they can play with there toys and sadly pc/faction just isnt it atm. and honestly why bother giving the lower end suits more slots that new players wont be able to fill anyway. and its not going to stop the higher sp toons piling whatever high end gear they can on cheaper suits. i think all this is going to do is delay the release of new content. i see you all screaming about why havnt the fan fest promises been kept? could it be because every damm thing is being rebalanced over and over again so there is no time for more new content. let ccp make the game then add the polish. Once again reading comprehension seems to be failing. We're talking about adding content, removing the proto-stomping, and making the game overall more fun for all involved, as it should have been from the beginning. Please re-read the thread.
Iron Wolf Saber Den of Swords 12009	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:15:00 - [69] - Quote hmm people cant seem to read. /me goes off to draw. CPM 0 Secretary Omni-Soldier, Forum Warrior, Annoying Artist \\= Advanced Caldari Assault // Unlocked
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 102	Posted - 2014.01.13 04:22:00 - [70] - Quote Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hmm people cant seem to read. /me goes off to draw. I've read it and I know what it is about and I still do not support it as it will take time and effort off the devs when they should be focusing on what should have been placed in dust upon release. Let them finish the foundation before building the house then I will go with the flow not before.

Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:19:00 - [71] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Iron Wolf Saber wrote: hmm people cant seem to read. /me goes off to draw. I've read it and I know what it is about and I still do not support it as it will take time and effort off the devs when they should be focusing on what should have been placed in dust upon release. Let them finish the foundation before building the house then I will go with the flow not before. We'll have to agree to disagree. I feel that this is somewhat important as player agency should be built in to the 'foundation' but, clearly you feel differently.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 5509	Posted - 2014.01.13 05:55:00 - [72] - Quote The cat does not approve of this message. The cat demands numbers, then he will approve of this message :3 Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 122	Posted - 2014.01.13 06:31:00 - [73] - Quote What do we want? STUFF! When do we want it? WHENEVER IT'S CONVENIENT FOR YOU!
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 334	Posted - 2014.01.13 11:32:00 - [74] - Quote Aizen Intiki wrote: I approve of tiercide, but that description of it isn't really right. tech 2 hulls wouldn't have those. They would be focued around one central idea, and would do it different way. For example, logistics ships wouldn't have attack functions. THey also wouldn't be good at EWAR. Just being a logi. Logistics ships aren't a very good comparison as the only logistics hull is in the Support line. HACs are a better example: there is an Attack HAC (Cerberus, Deimos, Vagabond, Zealot), and a Combat HAC (Eagle, Ishtar, Munin, Sacrilege). Not all of the lines have to appear in all of the groups.
Ayures II Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 351	Posted - 2014.01.15 04:07:00 - [75] - Quote ITT, people who should go play Call of Duty instead.
Shion Typhon Intara Direct Action Caldari State 362	Posted - 2014.01.15 07:35:00 - [76] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Are you all communist? What is wrong with all of you? Let's make every thing the same so we can get good fights? Screw off. You are thinking the game. I want to know how tiericide is going to work and fix the game. This idea is pathetic. Please explain how this works and why I should play if my SP means nothing because everything is the same. Communism is wanting a handout (time based SP) to give you an advantage in life for no effort on your part other than standing in a queue (opening an account 18 months ago) ... comrade


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