DUST Search - Tiercide

Bethhy wrote:

Gemini Reynolds wrote:

Henchmen21 wrote:

Gemini Reynolds wrote:

low genius wrote:

i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means.

what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly.

Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple.

And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix.

'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match'

Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity.

Yes why would we want a Sandbox Matchmaking system in a sandbox galaxy where players could choose their own level of risk vs reward.

Specially when we can have an automated matchmaking system... and could completely rework the entire way the suits work... Creating giant cookie cutter fits at different stages and absolutely no variation based upon effort and skill...

At some point making DUST "Easy" is not gonna be a solution you can turn to anymore when another mass exodus happens.

If this does happen.... people just don't know what they are asking for.. Bye Bye DUST as we ever knew it. Welcome a game already done 10 times over already.

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Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 112	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:56:00 - [31] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 403	Posted - 2014.01.12 21:57:00 - [32] - Quote I am the noob. A drunk caveman and a tea drinking British scout. I approve of this message Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! British ninja cowboy
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1604	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:04:00 - [33] - Quote Tebu Gan wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Yes, please, then my milita game mode would become irrelevant and we could focus on new ideas for game modes and maintain balance of competition. Btw, when are you joining, Dem Durrty Boyz. I would hate to blow you up in PC...... I like Fatal Absolution. Me and Ninja are the most OP team ever since Lili/Grodd/Char mode. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 809	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:07:00 - [34] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. Yes why would we want a Sandbox Matchmaking system in a sandbox galaxy where players could choose their own level of risk vs reward. Specially when we can have an automated matchmaking system... and completely rework the entire way the suits work... Creating giant cookie cutter fits at different stages and absolutely no variation based upon effort and skill... At some point making DUST "Easy" is not gonna be a solution you can turn to anymore when another mass exodus happens. If this does happen.... people just don't know what they are asking for.. Bye Bye DUST as we ever new it. Welcome a game already done 10 times over already.
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 417	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:08:00 - [35] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. If matches were relatively even to begin with nobody would be asking for tiericide in the first place. I have 5 proto level weapons, 2 adv suits and 1 proto, I have role diversity, it means nothing when there is no chance to win to begin with. Henchmen21: Infantry Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 113	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:09:00 - [36] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. Yes why would we want a Sandbox Matchmaking system in a sandbox galaxy where players could choose their own level of risk vs reward. Specially when we can have an automated matchmaking system... and could completely rework the entire way the suits work... Creating giant cookie cutter fits at different stages and absolutely no variation based upon effort and skill... At some point making DUST "Easy" is not gonna be a solution you can turn to anymore when another mass exodus happens. If this does happen.... people just don't know what they are asking for.. Bye Bye DUST as we ever knew it. Welcome a game already done 10 times over already. A sandbox is the ultimate goal but for the moment that seems to be an impossibly Herculean task for our poor developers. Currently there is no sandbox, just a lobby shooter. So until that time make the best of what we have.
Maken Tosch Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6406	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:12:00 - [37] - Quote For those of you who haven't a single clue what tieracide is, here is a comprehensive Dev Blog dating back to 2012 that gives you an Eve Online perspective on how ship tieracide works. http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/9129 OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Charlotte O'Dell Fatal Absolution Covert Intervention 1605	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:12:00 - [38] - Quote low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. you underestimate my QQing abilities. Charlotte O'Dell is the highest level unicorn!
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 491	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:13:00 - [39] - Quote I approve tiercide, as a scout, logistics, and assault. I wish I could say the same thing about heavies, but the Gallente don't have them yet.
Artificer Ghost Learning Coalition College 980	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:14:00 - [40] - Quote I am The Artificer. I approve of Tiercide. ~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition

Goric Rumis Dead Six Initiative Lokun Listamenn 301	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:50:00 - [41] - Quote The idea being that gaining more SP unlocks more specialization rather than just unequivocally better all-around equipment. Yes, I approve. Although this article should link to one of the threads about how it should work. The Tank Balancing Factor No One Is Discussing
Sextus Hardcock 0uter.Heaven 198	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:55:00 - [42] - Quote Mr. Hardcock, sixth son of Primus Hardcock approves of Tiericide.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 421	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:55:00 - [43] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: Tebu Gan wrote: Charlotte O'Dell wrote: My name is Charlotte O'Dell, and I approve this message. The CPM approves this message. Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. Yes, please, then my milita game mode would become irrelevant and we could focus on new ideas for game modes and maintain balance of competition. Btw, when are you joining, Dem Durrty Boyz. I would hate to blow you up in PC...... I like Fatal Absolution. Me and Ninja are the most OP team ever since Lili/Grodd/Char mode. I like Ninja too, he is a goood tanker. Aside from you I guess but I haven't seen you out there! Nuff Said
R F Gyro Clones 4u 1038	Posted - 2014.01.12 22:56:00 - [44] - Quote So what would the details be? Are we expecting CCP to come up with dozens of new suit types? Or would they just remove lots of suits? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Rusty Shallows 791	Posted - 2014.01.12 23:06:00 - [45] - Quote Charlotte O'Dell wrote: snip Most people who understand what it is and know what good it could do approve this message. I do not understand so will you please select one of the following Act of game design Tiercide where the number of Tiers are reduced Game play Tiercide where the best gear options are used in battle Architectural game design Tiercide where there are defined roles that are strictly enforced Some other kind that is completely different or a mix of the above. I'd so please define. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
J-Lewis Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 330	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:27:00 - [46] - Quote What is being suggested and clamored for can be summarized as follows: Tiers (STD, ADV, PRO) are replaced by "specialization lines" (Attack, Combat, Disruption, Support). The argument against tiers is that it is subject to power creep; PRO suits are better than STD suits in all regards except price. Tiericide would replace this with having a variety of suits of the same type vaguely specialized towards one aspect of a given role. So, for example: Attack suits are focused on skirmish roles (lightly armored, fast, good firepower); Combat suits are focused on front line roles (heavier armor, slower, excellent firepower); Disruption suits are focused on EWAR (scanning, hacking, etc...); Support suits are focused on aiding others (repair, suppression, resupply, etc...). These "specialization lines" also apply to specializations (Assault, Logistics, etc...), but are much more focused on a given task. The mix of high cost and large bonuses on these makes not fitting them for their intended role sub-optimal. All in all, it's a change that will be good for the health of the game, and one that I wholeheartedly support as it helps create a self-sustaining meta-game.
fred orpaul Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 311	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:33:00 - [47] - Quote yep I back this 100%
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 214	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:42:00 - [48] - Quote low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. I'm actually ok with that but teircide does need to happen.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 214	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:47:00 - [49] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: As in, no more Proto? As in, everything is the same tier. That could very well mean that everyone has proto stats. not quite, all suits would be brought up to proto level and the levels in the skill would grant bonuses to the suits as well as unlock suits with slightly different roles or bonused weapons. weapons and modules would still be have teirs.
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 214	Posted - 2014.01.13 00:49:00 - [50] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: low genius wrote: i'm low genius and dust players are very confused about what tiericide means. what you guys are asking for won't ever happen. what will happen is you'll qq enough that the price of a proto suit will be too expensive to use regularly. Excellent display of a failure in reading ability or comprehension. Just a few posts above yours I broke it down plain and simple. And one post above yours is the real problem that tiericide won't fix. 'Matchmaker matchmaker make me a match' Wholly unnecessary to devote excess programming time to save for the coding work to even out Squad Vs Random. No more need to worry about divisions between Proto and the Stomped. I'll give you that work needs to be done to sort out the drops so that it's not entirely loners against a full team from a singular corp, but beyond that it becomes unnecessary with greater role diversity. Yes why would we want a Sandbox Matchmaking system in a sandbox galaxy where players could choose their own level of risk vs reward. Specially when we can have an automated matchmaking system... and could completely rework the entire way the suits work... Creating giant cookie cutter fits at different stages and absolutely no variation based upon effort and skill... At some point making DUST "Easy" is not gonna be a solution you can turn to anymore when another mass exodus happens. If this does happen.... people just don't know what they are asking for.. Bye Bye DUST as we ever knew it. Welcome a game already done 10 times over already. this is a great Idea oh wait we don't have the player base for it.

Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 119	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:26:00 - [51] - Quote hgghyujh wrote: this is a great Idea oh wait we don't have the player base for it. Answered a little while ago, actually.
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:58:00 - [52] - Quote I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered.
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2014.01.13 01:59:00 - [53] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox?
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:03:00 - [54] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox? More content before sandbox, hell get the dam market running before tierside bullcrap first. Priorities people! Bring out pve/pvpve first for better income.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1956	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:07:00 - [55] - Quote Scheneighnay McBob wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: As in, no more Proto? As in, everything is the same tier. That could very well mean that everyone has proto stats. I like it. Do we get to keep the bonuses? "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:08:00 - [56] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox? More content before sandbox, hell get the dam market running before tierside bullcrap first. Priorities people! Bring out pve/pvpve first for better income. Sandbox = content
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2553	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:10:00 - [57] - Quote I presented my initial concept for dropsuit tiericide. Some good feedback in that thread and I think some lack of understanding. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=134474 // Venge Captain // Matari Logistics / Scout / Pilot // @ReesNoturana
Aizen Intiki Hell's Gate Inc League of Infamy 677	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:14:00 - [58] - Quote I approve of tiercide, but that description of it isn't really right. tech 2 hulls wouldn't have those. They would be focued around one central idea, and would do it different way. For example, logistics ships wouldn't have attack functions. THey also wouldn't be good at EWAR. Just being a logi. "Hello, world!" lol, sounds like something a whore lover would say Alt of the great Godin I like chocolate ^___^
Miokai Zahou The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 101	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:19:00 - [59] - Quote Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: Gemini Reynolds wrote: Miokai Zahou wrote: I do not approve this message because bleep you that's why. On a side note fix the match making and all will be well not this tierside Junk. Dust needs a lot of things done before that is ever considered. Matchmaking because **** sandbox? More content before sandbox, hell get the dam market running before tierside bullcrap first. Priorities people! Bring out pve/pvpve first for better income. Sandbox = content But teirside isn't really. It is just a 'quick fix' to remove something (justified mind you) by adding something else that won't really do much for the game. What needs to be fixed first is pvpve/pve and the market link from eve to dust and the release of all suits and gear new maps and modes. This is content. Teirside is a waste of time thus I say no to it for now and it does not need to be looked into being implemented (yet).
Gemini Reynolds Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2014.01.13 02:23:00 - [60] - Quote Miokai Zahou wrote: What needs to be fixed first is pvpve/pve and the market link from eve to dust and the release of all suits and gear new maps and modes. This is content. Teirside is a waste of time thus I say no to it for now and it does not need to be looked into being implemented (yet). I disagree. If they allow more options to be open to the players, then tactics and such can improve the quality of life, as well as giving meaning to many of the things that one might find on the eventual marketplace, causing the economic action of supply and demand to start working on a larger area (Right now, the only 'good' selling items would be Wep/Shield/Armor/Damage mods). It would also make the fights in FW simultaneously more interesting and involved.



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