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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:12:00 -
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Can we finally remove their ability to hold light weapons? Considering how difficult it will be to bring them down in CQC being at a disadvantage in long range combat is the only way to keep them balanced.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:15:00 -
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Except their resistance is damage type specific, if you're not using a gun they're resistant to, you're going to cut through them just as easily as you do now.
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:17:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:Except their resistance is damage type specific, if you're not using a gun they're resistant to, you're going to cut through them just as easily as you do now.
except that they'll have 2000eHP
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ
Raging Pack of Homosapiens
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:18:00 -
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i expect someone to come into this thread saying "hur dur. heavies should not be restricted by using only HG since this game is meant to be able to play however style you want". what is the purpose of a role if 1 suit can accomplish the role of all the other suits? |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:19:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Except their resistance is damage type specific, if you're not using a gun they're resistant to, you're going to cut through them just as easily as you do now. except that they'll have 2000eHP
Lies, 10-15% resistance to certain weapons will not double there eHP |
Chunky Munkey
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:19:00 -
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Since my Logi won't be a hacker anymore, I'll just use a sentinel. More than one RE will be needed to stop me :D
No.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:21:00 -
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Assaults are getting a ROF bonus for maximum 10% more DPS, and the resistances of sentinels are only against specific weapon types.
So no.
Maybe if every other suit lose the ability to fit sidearms on their light weapon slots.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:21:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Since my Logi won't be a hacker anymore, I'll just use a sentinel. More than one RE will be needed to stop me :D
That would accually be really funny |
stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:23:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Except their resistance is damage type specific, if you're not using a gun they're resistant to, you're going to cut through them just as easily as you do now. except that they'll have 2000eHP Lies, 10-15% resistance to certain weapons will not double there eHP
Currently a proto sentinel with 4 complex plates, 1 complex shield, and level 5 shields and armor has 1867HP
673 shields and 1194 armor
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:25:00 -
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Since only heavies are responding to this let me add that there will be other racial heavy weapons not just the HMG and forge.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:28:00 -
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The fact that their resistances are damage specific is exactly why it's NOT overpowered. It allows you to switch to a different weapon type in order to kill a Sentinel which is being problematic.
I am a little curious about what is considered "Blast Damage". I don't think its specifically talking about explosive damage, so perhaps its a 25% resistance to any type of splash damage? Actually a REALLY good idea, since heavies are basically grenade magnets, it gives them the ability to tank through some of the splash damage.
Overall I'm pleased with the direction CCP is taking the Sentinels, it's clever and I think it'll work out well.
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Supernus Gigas
Star Giants
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:28:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Can we finally remove their ability to hold light weapons? Considering how difficult it will be to bring them down in CQC being at a disadvantage in long range combat is the only way to keep them balanced.
While we're at why not limit medium suits to light weapons only! And scout suits should only be ale to carry sidearms! /s
Do you realize how illogical of an idea that sounds? I can carry this giant lead-spewing hose, or a massive hulk of steel that shoots big-ass metal slugs, but I am unable to carry this tiny assault rifle? While I don't personally use light weapons on my Heavy suit, we should have a choice. Why do you hate heavies? Why do you want to limit heavies to only two primary weapons? WHY? WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE BAD IDEAS!?
Just you wait. One day, all will fall to their knees before the fatty overlords.
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KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf
Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:31:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Since only heavies are responding to this let me add that there will be other racial heavy weapons not just the HMG and forge.
1) Unfounded assumption. Just because someone disagrees with you does not mean they must be a heavy. I'm not a heavy, I'm an assault and logi (both Amarr with SCR).
2) Yes there apparently will be new heavies coming, but there has been no clue that the Gallente blaster heavy weapon is coming any time soon, nor the Amarr laser heavy weapon.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:31:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Since only heavies are responding to this let me add that there will be other racial heavy weapons not just the HMG and forge.
Funny you say that, since I don't play Heavy aside from a Dren when I feel like screwing around.
Why are you so upset about the bonus? Just switch damage types and you'll be fine. Adapt or Die 
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TheWee BabySeamus
Dem Durrty Boyz
Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:33:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Since only heavies are responding to this let me add that there will be other racial heavy weapons not just the HMG and forge.
I'll believe it when I see it. Based on how CCP prioritizes things the rest of the heavy weapons/suits wont be out for a looooong time.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:38:00 -
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Its not even the effective HP, its that they get a 15% resistance to one type of damage on either their shield or armor (not both), and a +10% resist to another type of damage on either shield or armor (not both)
So the bonus is only applied to a part of their total HP, and its only against two of the five damage types. If a particular sentinel is difficult to kill, switch to a different weapon. This is actually great because it encourages squads to run different damage type weapons so they're never stuck against a heavy which heavily resists the same damage type.
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Severance Pay
Krullefor Organization
Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:52:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Can we finally remove their ability to hold light weapons? Considering how difficult it will be to bring them down in CQC being at a disadvantage in long range combat is the only way to keep them balanced.
That's what snipers are for bub.
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Vitharr Foebane
Living Like Larry Schwag
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:55:00 -
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stlcarlos989 wrote:Since only heavies are responding to this let me add that there will be other racial heavy weapons not just the HMG and forge.
yea... "SOON" 2 new light weapons added in last patch with another 2 sidearms incoming yet not a single peep about new heavy weapons... and you wanna restrict heavies to 2 weapons on the basis that they will eventually get the full set, which by the way have not even been named yet. Brilliant 
Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3
That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
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Sinboto Simmons
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:56:00 -
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Chunky Munkey wrote:Since my Logi won't be a hacker anymore, I'll just use a sentinel. More than one RE will be needed to stop me :D
I'm not fond of that
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
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Scalesdini
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:57:00 -
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ITT: STB member cries about how OP heavies will be because of damage resistances that nobody has even seen in action, meanwhile almost every STB member tools around in broken OP tanks that can resist 90% of damage 100% of the time and they have no issue with this. |
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Sinboto Simmons
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Posted - 2014.01.08 22:59:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:ITT: STB member cries about how OP heavies will be because of damage resistances that nobody has even seen in action, meanwhile almost every STB member tools around in broken OP tanks that can resist 90% of damage 100% of the time.
People still think we spam tanks all the time, for fucks sake its been two builds already, most of our tankers only get on for PC anyway!
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
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Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:00:00 -
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Pokey Dravon wrote:I am a little curious about what is considered "Blast Damage".
Blast = Explosive. Such as Remote Explosives (lol), Mass Derpers, Missiles, and etc.
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Scalesdini
BlackWater Liquidations
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:01:00 -
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Sinboto Simmons wrote:Scalesdini wrote:ITT: STB member cries about how OP heavies will be because of damage resistances that nobody has even seen in action, meanwhile almost every STB member tools around in broken OP tanks that can resist 90% of damage 100% of the time. People still think we spam tanks all the time, for fucks sake its been two builds already, most of our tankers only get on for PC anyway!
Pretty sure every time a squad from my corp starts bullying STB, MLT tanks are spammed at an alarming rate. |
TunRa
NEW OMENS
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:02:00 -
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BuTtHuRtPEepZ wrote:i expect someone to come into this thread saying "hur dur. heavies should not be restricted by using only HG since this game is meant to be able to play however style you want". what is the purpose of a role if 1 suit can accomplish the role of all the other suits?
Except that the trailer themselves say you don't have to be restricted to the use of one suit to preform a certain role. A heavy will still be slow so an assault can easily out run him or get behind him if you smart. Dust is meant to be played how YOU want to and not be restricted.
The trailer
Thanks CCP Foxfour
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:03:00 -
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Artificer Ghost wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:I am a little curious about what is considered "Blast Damage". Blast = Explosive. Such as Remote Explosives (lol), Mass Derpers, Missiles, and etc.
While I would agree, the Minmatar Commando bonus uses the term "Explosive Weapons" which makes me wonder that if they meant "Explosive Resistance" why not just say explosive instead of Blast?
Then again they're still using the term "Kick" instead of "Recoil"
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Ion Crush
Altyr Initiative
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:04:00 -
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I'd be ok with loosing light weapons when CCP gives us more heavy weapons. C'mon heavies need variety. |
Artificer Ghost
Bojo's School of the Trades
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:04:00 -
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Sinboto, I know you're a Scout, but I'd also like to point out that, when fighting VS. STB... If they aren't all running Proto C/G-Logi, they're running tanks.
I'll leave now.
No to the nerf to something that hasn't happened yet.
~Art, CEO and Director of Educations at Bojo's School of The Trades, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
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stlcarlos989
SVER True Blood
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:13:00 -
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Supernus Gigas wrote:stlcarlos989 wrote:Can we finally remove their ability to hold light weapons? Considering how difficult it will be to bring them down in CQC being at a disadvantage in long range combat is the only way to keep them balanced. While we're at why not limit medium suits to light weapons only! And scout suits should only be ale to carry sidearms! /s Do you realize how illogical of an idea that sounds? I can carry this giant lead-spewing hose, or a massive hulk of steel that shoots big-ass metal slugs, but I am unable to carry this tiny assault rifle? While I don't personally use light weapons on my Heavy suit, we should have a choice. Why do you hate heavies? Why do you want to limit heavies to only two primary weapons? WHY? WHY DO PEOPLE ALWAYS HAVE BAD IDEAS!?
This isn't about logic its about balance. If you want logic why can't I throw all three AV grenades at once? Why is a heavy incapable of using equipment? Why can I carry three grenades of only one type but not mix and match? Why is commando and BE scout able to carry 2 light weapons but assaults can't? Why can't I duct tape a nanohive to my back and have perma triage repps and constant ammo. Why is there a 6 vehicle limit? Why does a vehicle have to be brought in on an RDV but can teleport when its recalled? Why does being on fire not hurt vehicles?
Balance is far more important than logic in videogames.
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stlcarlos989
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:16:00 -
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Scalesdini wrote:Sinboto Simmons wrote:Scalesdini wrote:ITT: STB member cries about how OP heavies will be because of damage resistances that nobody has even seen in action, meanwhile almost every STB member tools around in broken OP tanks that can resist 90% of damage 100% of the time. People still think we spam tanks all the time, for fucks sake its been two builds already, most of our tankers only get on for PC anyway! Pretty sure every time a squad from my corp starts bullying STB, MLT tanks are spammed at an alarming rate.
You're right STB is the only corp that calls in tanks and uses protogear in pubs I call in soma's to weaken enemy tanks then I jump out and finish him with Lai Dai's. This thread isn't about STB or tanks its heavy's using light weapons so go troll elsewhere.
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Pokey Dravon
OSG Planetary Operations
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Posted - 2014.01.08 23:22:00 -
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Tell me something Carlos, if I had a module which allowed my dropsuit to resist 100% of Thermal and EM Damage, but I took full damage to Kinetic and Hybrid Rail, how would you go about killing me?
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