+25% rof for Gallente, are You high or something? Why not give them a 100 % dmg bonus on all weapon and 100% dmg reduction?

Not a Caldari but maybe a kick-reduction would work?

Kick-reduction for Rail Rifle, zoom for Snipers.

The extra zoom is useless for the rail rifle, that bonus would probably only affect snipers.

Why are we limited to two skills per suit for fucks sake?

Pretty much all of the ships in EVE have multiple skills, and they're BIG one's, like 100% damage increase on blasters.

They could nerf the base effective range of rail weapons, but make the Caldari assault bonus increase the effective range of rail weapons.

I understand what you're getting at but I don't exactly agree on all fronts. The proposed 10% increase to rate of fire boosts the DPS by the same amount. Because the difference between weapon tiers is generally 5% DPS, the assault skill takes a STD weapon and pushes it to PRO damage output levels. Now obviously I know there are some additional benefits to Proto such as longer effective range, but there is also the higher cost involved. In addition, I dont have the game with me right now so I cant check, but Im fairly certain the difference in PG/CPU of Proto weapon is more than 25% more than Standard. With that said, you're actually better off with a skill giving the flat dps bonus and using a lower weapon, than using a proto weapon with PG/CPU reduction.

As for secondary support skills, they really should work to counter the weaknesses of that weapon class...unfortunately weaknesses are not very high, so skills would have little effect. Regardless, I outline many of these in my ADS Report Chapter 2.

Caldari - Reduction to Recoil (Kick) per level
Gallente - Reduction to Dispursion
Amarr - Increased Cooldown Rate or Decreased Heat Buildup
Minmatar - Increase Magazine Size

We are kinda on the same page with Minmatar/Amarr

Why are we limited to two skills per suit for fucks sake?

Pretty much all of the ships in EVE have multiple skills, and they're BIG one's, like 100% damage increase on blasters.

CLARIFICATION: The exact bonuses listed are only to give you the general idea for what I'm talking about, which is making the assault class bonus a fitting reduction for weaponry and the assault racial bonuses improvements to specific types of weaponry. If you don't like one of them, how about make a suggestions for something else that will improve the weapon for assaults in a more balanced way?

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I mean, it really just makes sense.

Logistics class bonus: 5% reduction of CPU/PG of all equipment per level
Assault class bonus: 5% reduction of CPU/PG of all light weapons and sidearms per level

So the Logistics class is able to fit prototype equipment without sacrificing its module usage, and the Assault class is able to fit prototype weapons without needing to sacrifice its module usage.


Amarr Logistics bonus: 10% reduction to drop uplink spawn time and +2 to max. spawn count per level.
Amarr Assault bonus: 5% reduction of laser weaponry heat build up per level

So the Amarr Logi gets more efficient Amarr equipment, and the Amarr Assault gets more efficient Amarr weapons.

Caldari Logistics bonus: +10% to nanohive max. nanites and +5% to supply rate and repair amount per level.
Caldari Assault bonus: 5% reduction in rail charge up time and 2% more zoom on rail weapons per level

So the Caldari Logi gets more efficient Caldari equipment, and the Caldari Assault gets more efficient Caldari weapons.

Gallente Logistics bonus: +10% to active scanner visibility duration and +5% to active scanner precision per level.
Gallente Assault bonus: +5% rate of fire on all hybrid-plasma weapons per level

So the Gallente Logi gets more efficient Gallente equipment, and the Gallente Assault gets more efficient Gallente equipment.

Minmatar Logistics bonus: +10% to repair tool range and 5% to repair amount per level.
Minmatar Assault bonus: +2% explosive blast radius and 5% projectile weaponry clip size per level

So the Minmatar Logi gets more efficient equipment, and the Minmatar Assault gets more efficient Minmatar weapons.


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Caldari Assault/Rail Rifle user here. As others have mentioned, increasing the zoom doesn't really help us. I actually kind of like your idea of reducing charge up time, as it would make the Rail rifle much more viable in close quarters, but it would need to be significant enough to make a difference.

I think the RR's kick and recoil are pretty minimized once the weapon has been fully skilled into, so overlapping with the weapon's skills isn't really needed. Proficiency also makes it hit like a freight train even without damage mods, so a damage increase isn't needed either.

Personally, I would like an increased magazine size over anything else; even with the slower rate of fire, I feel like I spend more time reloading than I did with an Assault rifle. Combining this with an increased RoF (by way of a shorter charge time) would help Caldari assaults with Caldari weapons actually assault instead of just trading shots at range.

Edit: For the record, I actually like current idea of Cal Assaults increasing shield extender HP, but giving assaults bonuses to their racial weapons across the board really does make more sense.

My only concern is it forces you into a particular weapon. I run exclusively Caldari suits but use the combat rifle. If i run a FW with all Caldari bro's and the inevitable CQC nerf for the RR comes along, then we are all stuck with long rang weapons that are relatively ineffective in closer range.

I like the idea in principle but believe the bonus to weaponry should be more vanilla to allow varied weapons to be used.

That's why i guess I'm more in favour of defensive based bonuses i.e. Caldari shield etc...

Amarr Assault bonus: 5% reduction of laser weaponry heat build up per level. NO.

I would rather see a range bonus than this.

This bonus along with the rate of fire bonus for Gal give too much of an edge to proto users with modded controllers.

Do you have any evidence to this? I mean, this is the current Amarr Assault bonus and from my experience there is no problem with modded controllers among the player base (though I have been accused of using one myself).

Caldari Assault bonus: 5% reduction in rail charge up time and 2% more zoom on rail weapons per level[/b]

2. They force roles upon a player, and if a player wants to make use of their bonus, they are forced to use a specific weapon
(Not every Gallogi signed up to be a walking radar dish, not every Amarr Logi signed up tobe an uplink carrier, ect. )

I think the rail spool-up time is intentionally meant to be a set amount of time. That is the trade-off for using rails. I'm not sure if decreasing it is something CCP ever plans on doing.

The zoom bonus is pretty nice. At V that would be a 10% increase in zoom, so that would take a x3 zoom to x3.3. Not sure most players would notice that. 4% more zoom might be more appropriate, but we'll start with 2% and see how it goes.

Good post.

...The zoom bonus is pretty nice. At V that would be a 10% increase in zoom, so that would take a x3 zoom to x3.3. Not sure most players would notice that. 4% more zoom might be more appropriate, but we'll start with 2% and see how it goes.