I would love this to hell.

My min assault would be able to fit my Proto ACR and Flaylock, and be good with both of them!

I LIKE IT.

IT MAKES SENSE.

CCP WILL NEVER DO IT.

not a bad idea, altough i'd trade that explosive radius for min anytime for my good ol' smg clip size, and i'm a MD user since chrome btw, i am a 100% with ya the overheat bonus for laser weaponry removal on amarr assault is bs

I really hope this happens, in conjunction with a full respec. I'll fully spec out the CR and Flaylock. No regrets.

Once again though, I'm diehard Matari. We need a Gallente Specialist in here.

Hope this helps Aero

Also, in light of what you wrote in KingBabar's post about how the bonuses are kept similar across the classes.

How do you think the heavies and scouts should get their bonuses?

Give scouts a naturally low profile? And instead, give them a bonus to cloak modules and eWar modules?

Heavies get fitting reductions to Heavy weapons? This would let them use their other slots to tank eHP and Damage if need be right?

Just curious.

i wish i could play a whole squad a real PIE like aero, true adamance, aisha and the likes, that would be a real competitive fw match, not cubs and is lagbomb qsync buddies, maybe it's just a tz issue, i never seems to face them, maybe something we could plan

What's up with the indirect Caldari nerf?

It's bad enough we lose shield recharge rate with the proposed change but we at least get dps back for it.

Caldari Assault bonus: 5% reduction in rail charge up time and 2% more zoom on rail weapons per level

vs

Gallente Assault bonus: +5% rate of fire on all hybrid-plasma weapons per level
Minmatar Assault bonus: +2% explosive blast radius and 5% projectile weaponry clip size per level
Amarr Assault bonus: 5% reduction of laser weaponry heat build up per level

Everyone gets a dps in some form but Caldari gets...zoom? wth, wouldn't trade my shield tank for what it's worth in for that.

The proposed bonuses seem better... Except the Caldari.

Charge time on the Rail Rifle is negligible. Zoom is already fine, as I can constantly kill at ranges that exceed 90m.

Honestly, I'd prefer the bonus to shields. The tentative 'crystal ball' shield bonus would make a purely shield tanked Caldari Assault viable/competative again (possibly).

+25% rof for Gallente, are You high or something? Why not give them a 100 % dmg bonus on all weapon and 100% dmg reduction?

The extra zoom is useless for the rail rifle, that bonus would probably only affect snipers.

They could nerf the base effective range of rail weapons, but make the Caldari assault bonus increase the effective range of rail weapons.

I understand what you're getting at but I don't exactly agree on all fronts. The proposed 10% increase to rate of fire boosts the DPS by the same amount. Because the difference between weapon tiers is generally 5% DPS, the assault skill takes a STD weapon and pushes it to PRO damage output levels. Now obviously I know there are some additional benefits to Proto such as longer effective range, but there is also the higher cost involved. In addition, I dont have the game with me right now so I cant check, but Im fairly certain the difference in PG/CPU of Proto weapon is more than 25% more than Standard. With that said, you're actually better off with a skill giving the flat dps bonus and using a lower weapon, than using a proto weapon with PG/CPU reduction.

As for secondary support skills, they really should work to counter the weaknesses of that weapon class...unfortunately weaknesses are not very high, so skills would have little effect. Regardless, I outline many of these in my ADS Report Chapter 2.

Caldari - Reduction to Recoil (Kick) per level
Gallente - Reduction to Dispursion
Amarr - Increased Cooldown Rate or Decreased Heat Buildup
Minmatar - Increase Magazine Size

We are kinda on the same page with Minmatar/Amarr

Caldari Assault/Rail Rifle user here. As others have mentioned, increasing the zoom doesn't really help us. I actually kind of like your idea of reducing charge up time, as it would make the Rail rifle much more viable in close quarters, but it would need to be significant enough to make a difference.

I think the RR's kick and recoil are pretty minimized once the weapon has been fully skilled into, so overlapping with the weapon's skills isn't really needed. Proficiency also makes it hit like a freight train even without damage mods, so a damage increase isn't needed either.

Personally, I would like an increased magazine size over anything else; even with the slower rate of fire, I feel like I spend more time reloading than I did with an Assault rifle. Combining this with an increased RoF (by way of a shorter charge time) would help Caldari assaults with Caldari weapons actually assault instead of just trading shots at range.

Edit: For the record, I actually like current idea of Cal Assaults increasing shield extender HP, but giving assaults bonuses to their racial weapons across the board really does make more sense.

My only concern is it forces you into a particular weapon. I run exclusively Caldari suits but use the combat rifle. If i run a FW with all Caldari bro's and the inevitable CQC nerf for the RR comes along, then we are all stuck with long rang weapons that are relatively ineffective in closer range.

I like the idea in principle but believe the bonus to weaponry should be more vanilla to allow varied weapons to be used.

That's why i guess I'm more in favour of defensive based bonuses i.e. Caldari shield etc...

Amarr Assault bonus: 5% reduction of laser weaponry heat build up per level. NO.

I would rather see a range bonus than this.

This bonus along with the rate of fire bonus for Gal give too much of an edge to proto users with modded controllers.

2. They force roles upon a player, and if a player wants to make use of their bonus, they are forced to use a specific weapon
(Not every Gallogi signed up to be a walking radar dish, not every Amarr Logi signed up tobe an uplink carrier, ect. )

I think the rail spool-up time is intentionally meant to be a set amount of time. That is the trade-off for using rails. I'm not sure if decreasing it is something CCP ever plans on doing.

The zoom bonus is pretty nice. At V that would be a 10% increase in zoom, so that would take a x3 zoom to x3.3. Not sure most players would notice that. 4% more zoom might be more appropriate, but we'll start with 2% and see how it goes.

Good post.

Common sense is a harsh mistress.

Remnant, keep the 10% ROF for Gallente Assault please, I want to hear the Duvolle ROAR :3

2% per level, 10% at max level.
But if you want to buff it to 5% per level be my guest

I don't get this at all? Why for assaults? Yeah it frees up fitting space for modules, but how does it help to set the class apart from the logis? It is an ASSAULT class, not a here, put whatever gun on whatever suit you want because it will cost a little less.

You take the Amarr Ak.0 where cpu/pg isn't really a problem, what good does this do? I'm a minmatar, we currently have the weakest assault suit out there and this bonus would be DOGSHIT. I fit the CR, the smallest CPU/PG hog in the game, Why would I want this bonus over a 10% ROF??? Hell, give me back my 100 SmG rnds/clip before you I get a fitting bonus to weapon and sidearm.

Look, unless there's something I'm missing where there will be a nerf to all suits' cpu/pg and running proto weaps will be hard to do...this bonus is pointless. If it doesn't help to distinguish the class from the other suits then why have it at all? A 10% ROF increase, and you will know an assault is on the field. It is a different class altogether. And within that class there are subtleties -- insert racial suits here.

If you just reduce light weapons fittings we will be right back in square one, watered down logistics suits as assault suits. I thought the whole point of this was to seperate the logi and the assault classes? Not just make a Logi suit with 1 equip slot???

I would strongly suggest having the assaults have bonuses that enhance their weapons. Assaults are about offense, the bonuses should reflect that.
If you have a bonus like CPU/PG reduction that doesn't increase weapon performance, then I STRONGLY suggest having racial bonuses that do increase effectiveness of racial weapon.
I would be fine with a crappy badly thought out role bonus, the more serious issue are the role bonuses you guys are thinking of implementing. I cannt emphasize enough that assaults should have bonuses to enhance their race's weapons (magazine size, heat buildup reduction, etc).
Basically the racial bonuses are a much much bigger issue than the role bonus.

Just to fix this (It bothers me and I have OCD), it's spool-up time, not "charge up time". :P

+1 very well thought out, I am assuming you are lumping the scram in with lasers, if so you should clarify, if not well it should be.
Also a 25% dps increase to ARs is a bit much

Other wise very awesome. This is a much better Idea then turning them in to faster killers when most people think ttk is too low anyways. Also mim dont really benefit form the ROF increase, CR is limited by how fast you can pull unless you use a turbo at which point its already OP, and the ACRs fire rate is too fast for how small its clip is, but a clip bonus would give a negligible bonus to the already powerful CR, and a much needed bonus to the ACR. I like.

Spot on, Aero. +1

I think that's the best role bonus dream sheet i've seen yet.