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N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1742	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:11:00 - [1] - Quote Short poll so i can see peoples answer. http://strawpoll.me/969842 Up close weapon tears you up. Medium range. Weapon tears you up. Long range. Weapon tears you up. I feel like it either needs a 0.65 charge time to be balanced at close range. bigger hip fire dispersion. Or lower damage in close range, kind of like the laser rifle. But not that severe though. I find that this weapon really has no drawbacks. the spool up time isnt long enough to hinder the weapon in CQC. The rail rifle just does so much damage that you really cant do anything about it after it starts hitting you. Perhaps a lower ROF could fix that. Something needs to be done so this weapon isn't super deadly at all ranges. It has great range and great accuracy. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Fire of Prometheus DUST University Ivy League 2599	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:21:00 - [2] - Quote I find it balanced, the only concern is how quickly you can ADS. I've noticed the adv rr snaps ads a lot quicker than the basic one and roughly the same as the proto rr. Idk but I feel the rail rifle is "my" weapon. It is the weapon that feels most comfortable. I don't know how to explain it other than, it just feels "right" to use a rail rifle. Proud member of the Commndo 6 <3 Commando AK.0
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 200	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:24:00 - [3] - Quote Yes, all the weapons are wonky. With the rail rifle you get double the range of a AR, and it only cost you a 0.2 sec spool up time (they do nearly the same DPS).... that is not balalnced.
ARC34 The Game of Clones 14	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:25:00 - [4] - Quote Who in their right mind goes close range with a Rail Rifle ._. unless we're talking about the assault variant(: which wouldn't really make a difference because it's still pretty stable World of Tanks <.<
Rei Shepard The Rainbow Effect 1344	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:26:00 - [5] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Short poll so i can see peoples answer. http://strawpoll.me/969842 Up close weapon tears you up. Medium range. Weapon tears you up. Long range. Weapon tears you up. I feel like it either needs a 0.65 charge time to be balanced at close range. bigger hip fire dispersion. Or lower damage in close range, kind of like the laser rifle. But not that severe though. I find that this weapon really has no drawbacks. the spool up time isnt long enough to hinder the weapon in CQC. The rail rifle just does so much damage that you really cant do anything about it after it starts hitting you. Perhaps a lower ROF could fix that. Something needs to be done so this weapon isn't super deadly at all ranges. It has great range and great accuracy. Does this post have anything to do with me picking up the Rail Rifle today or something ? I made quite allot of games with it that will make my opponents unable to sit for a couple of days :p If not, i think the RR is pretty solid but have yet to break 50+ with it (closest is a 48 game against UPS), witch ive been able to do with both Combat Rifles and Both SCR's. Guess ill need to get used to it a bit more as one evening is not a real indication of the weapon, i also find that the Assault Version is more to my tastes, witch is odd as i normally prefer Slower weapons. But what is the most odd is that out of most people facing me head on, they cannot draw their weapon fast enough to fire a shot before my spool time is over, with my other guns CR and SCR i would lol as they drop without being able to fire but even when i have to give people a head start of 0.2 seconds they cannot reach their trigger. But regardless of what weapon, its hard to judge them when they all perform in the solid 30-40+ most of my games, though ive not used an AR since Uprising. Seeing them perform my SCR is still king at being able to drop 7 people before i overheat, CR at 4 and RR at 5 people with a single clip, in cqc. In any case good gun, though not OP in my eyes. Quote: Who in their right mind goes close range with a Rail Rifle ._. unless we're talking about the assault variant(: which wouldn't really make a difference because it's still pretty stable I do! i wouldn't know why not... Winner of the EU Squad Cup "Go Go Power Rangers!" "Accuracy"
Fiddler Galaine Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder. 58	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:26:00 - [6] - Quote It should probably not be as effective in close range (compared to the assault variant), but otherwise it seems okay.
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1742	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:27:00 - [7] - Quote Fiddler Galaine wrote: It should probably not be as effective in close range (compared to the assault variant), but otherwise it seems okay. put your vote in then (if not already done) Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Aeon Amadi Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4338	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:27:00 - [8] - Quote I personally feel that the rail rifle is balanced but I would like to see the Assault Rail Rifle's DPS knocked down a notch so that the AR can take it's (rightful) place as the highest DPS assault variant. forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m= (Frames)1544109 (Advertisement)1556863 (Packs)1570030 (Lag Hunt) 1570201
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1907	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:28:00 - [9] - Quote I know that in cqc I am ridiculous with the RR, I feel like I'm waving a brick around lol. I know its not meant for cqc but seriously I'm awful with it, beyond ridiculous with that gun but ok with the assault. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1908	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:36:00 - [10] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: I find it balanced, the only concern is how quickly you can ADS. I've noticed the adv rr snaps ads a lot quicker than the basic one and roughly the same as the proto rr. Idk but I feel the rail rifle is "my" weapon. It is the weapon that feels most comfortable. I don't know how to explain it other than, it just feels "right" to use a rail rifle. A parody explaining how I feel lol. I find it buggered, the only concern is how quickly you can ads, iv noticed the ADV RR snaps ads a lot quicker than the basic and I still suck with it. I don't know but I feel like a complete nub with it. It is the weapon that fks me in a a$$. I don't know how to explain it other than, I fking wish I was good with it. Its the only weapon I can't use well and I don't know why, I guess I just need to htfu and git gud lol Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 3036	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:42:00 - [11] - Quote I say giving it the spool up time of a Large Railgun Turret would help lower it's efficiency in CQC. As for "tearing you up" in mid and long range combat, the RR is supposed to be Mid-Long range. Most hated person since Lueko and Checkmate AV is easy huh? Talk is cheap.
Smooth Assassin Stardust Incorporation 654	Posted - 2014.01.04 21:42:00 - [12] - Quote Tears my scout, needs to do 50% less damage to shields or 10 sec spool up time for the amount of ammo it has. *Assassination is my thing.*
Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 2053	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:24:00 - [13] - Quote I'm decent with it. My alt has shredded Heavies in CQC with some fancy footwork. Really, the spool does lower your initial DPS if you don't get the drop on someone and the kick/dispersion does cause me to miss enough shots to lower my DPS over the Assault Rifle. It does feel a bit OP ATM but I still feel like the Combat Rifle is more effective in most scenarios. 100% accurate, much higher DPS, no spool up time, +5m range a level means that the Boundless has almost the same optimal as the ADV Rail Rifle. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Tectonic Fusion 929	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:25:00 - [14] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: Up close weapon tears you up. I lol when enemies try to use it in CQC and face my combat rifle. Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 648	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:28:00 - [15] - Quote Crimson Cerberes wrote: Yes, all the weapons are wonky. With the rail rifle you get double the range of a AR, and it only cost you a 0.2 sec spool up time (they do nearly the same DPS).... that is not balalnced. All caldari weapons have very long range and very high damage. It is balanced learn the lore before you say something.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1824	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:37:00 - [16] - Quote Yes, recoil is negligable with aim assist. Should have dmg per round reduced. it should be a long range weapon to pick people off, not a **** off stick at any range. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Th3rdSun L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 552	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:37:00 - [17] - Quote I compare the RR to SVER's guns in MAG.High damage,low ROF,perfect for my playstyle. I think the advanced isn't as bad as people think compared to the proto version,and the assault variant has so much recoil that the only really good use for it is in CQC. I think the people that have the most problems against it are people that want to run high damage,low shield suits.RR will dominate those types of setups in capable hands.If you shield tank,you will have a better chance against RRs.
Paran Tadec The Hetairoi 1827	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:39:00 - [18] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Yes, all the weapons are wonky. With the rail rifle you get double the range of a AR, and it only cost you a 0.2 sec spool up time (they do nearly the same DPS).... that is not balalnced. All caldari weapons have very long range and very high damage. It is balanced learn the lore before you say something. The difference between rail and blasters in eve also includes the railguns weak tracking ability, which you cant really replicate in an fps, so reduce the dmg a bit, or increase the spooling time. It'll still be great for picking people off at range, but meh at cqb, which is kinda caldari's thing. Bittervet Proficiency V thanks logibro!
Tectonic Fusion 930	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:43:00 - [19] - Quote Paran Tadec wrote: Soldiersaint wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Yes, all the weapons are wonky. With the rail rifle you get double the range of a AR, and it only cost you a 0.2 sec spool up time (they do nearly the same DPS).... that is not balalnced. All caldari weapons have very long range and very high damage. It is balanced learn the lore before you say something. The difference between rail and blasters in eve also includes the railguns weak tracking ability, which you cant really replicate in an fps, so reduce the dmg a bit, or increase the spooling time. It'll still be great for picking people off at range, but meh at cqb, which is kinda caldari's thing. Spool up time only. That's what it needs. MOAR SPOOL UP TIME!!! Solo Player Squad status: Locked
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 394	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:48:00 - [20] - Quote Have you ever tried to aim up close?

N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1748	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:54:00 - [21] - Quote Joel II X wrote: Have you ever tried to aim up close? dont need to just hip fire it Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries Legacy Rising 604	Posted - 2014.01.04 22:59:00 - [22] - Quote Well the rail rifles optimal is the same as the scramber has a bit more effective range. The standard version of the RR is pretty easy to strafe, and cover I'd always your friend. The assault version is a lot harder to hit at range but better for medium to short ranges. In cqc I feel the RR is too accurate to be as effective as other rifles, unless the enemy is being still or predictable enough to shoot. Ultimately shield tanking is the best way to counter them.
GVGMODE 94	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:06:00 - [23] - Quote Weapon Ranges make no sense anymore Rail Rifle (Long Range weapon) - Short Range and Hip Fire: higher dispersion and very low damage - Medium Range: no dispersion but low damage - Long Range: optimal damage Combat Rifle (Medium Range weapon) - Short Range and Hip Fire: higher dispersion and very low damage - Medium Range: optimal damage - Long Range: optimal damage Although the CR needs to have a lower RoF and the RR needs a higher delay both are ridiculous.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 210	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:15:00 - [24] - Quote Soldiersaint wrote: Crimson Cerberes wrote: Yes, all the weapons are wonky. With the rail rifle you get double the range of a AR, and it only cost you a 0.2 sec spool up time (they do nearly the same DPS).... that is not balalnced. All caldari weapons have very long range and very high damage. It is balanced learn the lore before you say something. Nope, you couldn't be more wrong. I assume by the lore comment you are referring to established new eden lore, as in eve online. Blaster have the lowest range and highest DPS (gallente). Blasters in caldari hands do moderate DPS and have longer range. Caldari Rail rifles have the best range and pretty low DPS. Assault missiles have short raneg and decent DPS Rockets have mid range and ok DPS. Cruise missiles had the best range and ok DPS but long flight times Torpedos have good damage and poor range (only decent versus battleships though) ALSO, in eve you trade range for damage and vice versa. IF we were using established lore, ARs would do double the damage as RRs because of the range.
Crimson Cerberes Hammer Of Light Covenant of the Phoenix Alliance 210	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:17:00 - [25] - Quote This is so easy a 5 year old should be able to figure it out. The more range you get, the less DPS you should do.
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 213	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:28:00 - [26] - Quote I think its far too good at close range. Maybe a very small spool up increase, I don't know. An I the only one that thinks its bogus the SCR has less zoom than the RR? IMHO the SCR needs the highest zoom
Aria Gomes Death by Disassociation Legacy Rising 253	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:29:00 - [27] - Quote ARC34 wrote: Who in their right mind goes close range with a Rail Rifle ._. unless we're talking about the assault variant(: which wouldn't really make a difference because it's still pretty stable You'd be surprised. I got killed twice in close range with one and I was with a CR.
Zahle Undt Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 524	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:41:00 - [28] - Quote I agree that the rr is a bit too good at cqc but otherwise I think is balanced with the other rifles. However, any of the light riffle are better than any other infantry weapon in the game
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 98	Posted - 2014.01.04 23:42:00 - [29] - Quote being killed by hip fire form RR at 40-or less is not balance. especially when useing a duvolle. 40 or less is where the AR is ''supposed to shine'' but apparnetly RR dosnt have a conecpt of range.
Nestil Seraphim Auxiliaries 99	Posted - 2014.01.05 00:22:00 - [30] - Quote Th3rdSun wrote: I compare the RR to SVER's guns in MAG.High damage,low ROF,perfect for my playstyle. I think the advanced isn't as bad as people think compared to the proto version,and the assault variant has so much recoil that the only really good use for it is in CQC. I think the people that have the most problems against it are people that want to run high damage,low shield suits.RR will dominate those types of setups in capable hands.If you shield tank,you will have a better chance against RRs. lol yeah, the first time i tried the RR i was like "woha it feels like a tamsen" O.o



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