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Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 13	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:44:00 - [1] - Quote I should post this question on the Feedback/Requests channel, but I see no indication that that stuff is read or even looked at, so I'll post it here. Devs... players... passers by rubber necking at this train wreck... ANYONE, have any inkling when the HMG will be fixed??!!?? The 2 NEW rifles have made the OLD (and STILL broken) HMG even more of a joke! I find myself less and less drawn to this game and the Heavy class into which I specced. But what should I do, spin the roulette wheel and see which class it lands on to spec into next, only to have that class nerfed into obsolescence with the next update (nod to you AV'ers at the moment). It's truly a crap shoot which class will get hit next, and that's a gamble I'd rather not take. No, I'd rather enjoy the class that drew me to the game... the class (and weapon) into which I've invested millions of SP. (Removes reading glasses, closes rant notes folder, and quietly steps away from the podium.) So with that said, anyone have any indication... any word at all on HMG repairs, or new heavy suits for that matter? (Don't even want to look at the rant folder on that subject right now!)
N1ck Comeau Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 1710	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:46:00 - [2] - Quote What do you people want? The HMG is literally the most dangerous gun in it's optimal range. When i see a heavy in CQC i have to run. I know he'll win. So i just run away. Minmatar Assault. Confused on what weapons i should use :/
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 13	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:49:00 - [3] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: What do you people want? The HMG is literally the most dangerous gun in it's optimal range. When i see a heavy in CQC i have to run. I know he'll win. So i just run away. Yeah you're right. But what do you mean "you people"?
Vitharr Foebane Living Like Larry Schwag 454	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:50:00 - [4] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I should post this question on the Feedback/Requests channel, but I see no indication that that stuff is read or even looked at, so I'll post it here. Devs... players... passers by rubber necking at this train wreck... ANYONE, have any inkling when the HMG will be fixed??!!?? The 2 NEW rifles have made the OLD (and STILL broken) HMG even more of a joke! I find myself less and less drawn to this game and the Heavy class into which I specced. But what should I do, spin the roulette wheel and see which class it lands on to spec into next, only to have that class nerfed into obsolescence with the next update (nod to you AV'ers at the moment). It's truly a crap shoot which class will get hit next, and that's a gamble I'd rather not take. No, I'd rather enjoy the class that drew me to the game... the class (and weapon) into which I've invested millions of SP. (Removes reading glasses, closes rant notes folder, and quietly steps away from the podium.) So with that said, anyone have any indication... any word at all on HMG repairs, or new heavy suits for that matter? (Don't even want to look at the rant folder on that subject right now!) Bro do you even Heavy? Seriously though, the HMG is in a d*mn fine place right now, and if you can't kill with it you need a new suit. Thanks CCP for making the HMG Heavy viable again :3 That's no excuse though to slack off on releasing a heavy laser =.=
Kallas Hallytyr Skullbreakers 226	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:53:00 - [5] - Quote HMG in optimal range = brutal HMG out of optimal range but in enemy's optimal = you're doing HMG-ing wrong.
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2647	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:57:00 - [6] - Quote HMG may not be what you want it to be, but its effective as hell at what it does.
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 13	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:06:00 - [7] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I should post this question on the Feedback/Requests channel, but I see no indication that that stuff is read or even looked at, so I'll post it here. Devs... players... passers by rubber necking at this train wreck... ANYONE, have any inkling when the HMG will be fixed??!!?? The 2 NEW rifles have made the OLD (and STILL broken) HMG even more of a joke! I find myself less and less drawn to this game and the Heavy class into which I specced. But what should I do, spin the roulette wheel and see which class it lands on to spec into next, only to have that class nerfed into obsolescence with the next update (nod to you AV'ers at the moment). It's truly a crap shoot which class will get hit next, and that's a gamble I'd rather not take. No, I'd rather enjoy the class that drew me to the game... the class (and weapon) into which I've invested millions of SP. (Removes reading glasses, closes rant notes folder, and quietly steps away from the podium.) So with that said, anyone have any indication... any word at all on HMG repairs, or new heavy suits for that matter? (Don't even want to look at the rant folder on that subject right now!) Bro do you even Heavy? Seriously though, the HMG is in a dmn fine place right now, and if you can't kill with it you need a new suit. When was this "dmn fine place" implemented? Maybe I missed something.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 836	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:10:00 - [8] - Quote very recently. You now have a cone and a 20% boost in rate of fire. in it's optimal, the only thing's that can hope to beat you are grenades, RE's, and tanks. and two of those will only get you after you killed whatever threw them down, if you're at low health. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
noob cavman Tickle My Null-Sac 337	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:10:00 - [9] - Quote At hmg range, you can go toe to toe with 3 dudes and win Hey mlt tank guess what my lav is ready and I GOT TWO TICKETS TO PARADISE!!! Renegade minja fighting for the empress
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 234	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:12:00 - [10] - Quote Outside of hmg range I still have to disengage from the damn thing now x.x Scout has paper thin armor and that thing spits out a lot more than it used to. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication

Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 2010	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:19:00 - [11] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I should post this question on the Feedback/Requests channel, but I see no indication that that stuff is read or even looked at, so I'll post it here. Devs... players... passers by rubber necking at this train wreck... ANYONE, have any inkling when the HMG will be fixed??!!?? The 2 NEW rifles have made the OLD (and STILL broken) HMG even more of a joke! I find myself less and less drawn to this game and the Heavy class into which I specced. But what should I do, spin the roulette wheel and see which class it lands on to spec into next, only to have that class nerfed into obsolescence with the next update (nod to you AV'ers at the moment). It's truly a crap shoot which class will get hit next, and that's a gamble I'd rather not take. No, I'd rather enjoy the class that drew me to the game... the class (and weapon) into which I've invested millions of SP. (Removes reading glasses, closes rant notes folder, and quietly steps away from the podium.) So with that said, anyone have any indication... any word at all on HMG repairs, or new heavy suits for that matter? (Don't even want to look at the rant folder on that subject right now!) What are you talking about? I love the HMG the way it is now. If it got any more buffs I would be nervous about getting nerfed into oblivion again. (If you are on an open map use the Assault HMG.) I am really looking forward to getting more Heavy Suits though. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else, there is the Learning Coalition.
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 13	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:19:00 - [12] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: very recently. You now have a cone and a 20% boost in rate of fire. in it's optimal, the only thing's that can hope to beat you are grenades, RE's, and tanks. and two of those will only get you after you killed whatever threw them down, if you're at low health. Yes, but when did this happen? I've seen no fixes on this. I haven't been on this game as much during the holidays (combination of busy-ness and plain old apathy with the game) and when I was on I didn't even waste my time pulling out the heavy suit much. The last time I ran heavy for any substantial period of time, it was all combat and rail rifles making short work of EVERYTHING!
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 212	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:24:00 - [13] - Quote Six kin is god mode at optimal.....one burst drops most suits....two drops most heavy suits
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 836	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:28:00 - [14] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: very recently. You now have a cone and a 20% boost in rate of fire. in it's optimal, the only thing's that can hope to beat you are grenades, RE's, and tanks. and two of those will only get you after you killed whatever threw them down, if you're at low health. Yes, but when did this happen? I've seen no fixes on this. I haven't been on this game as much during the holidays (combination of busy-ness and plain old apathy with the game) and when I was on I didn't even waste my time pulling out the heavy suit much. The last time I ran heavy for any substantial period of time, it was all combat and rail rifles making short work of EVERYTHING! after the actual patch. like a week maybe? it was a hotfix basically. If you hear the words "WORTH IT!" look about, something hilarious just happened.
Flix Keptick Red Star. EoN. 3244	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:31:00 - [15] - Quote Reasons why the HMG is so bad is the really short range and more importantly the lack of RACIAL HEAVIES. The HMG is a minmatar weapon and is designed for close range combat, the amarr heavy just doesn't have the speed to make it effective. I'm sure that a fast minmatar heavy will make the weapon at least decent. Lack of content makes stuff broken... Tank driver // specialized tank destroyer
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 14	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:52:00 - [16] - Quote Heathen Bastard wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: very recently. You now have a cone and a 20% boost in rate of fire. in it's optimal, the only thing's that can hope to beat you are grenades, RE's, and tanks. and two of those will only get you after you killed whatever threw them down, if you're at low health. Yes, but when did this happen? I've seen no fixes on this. I haven't been on this game as much during the holidays (combination of busy-ness and plain old apathy with the game) and when I was on I didn't even waste my time pulling out the heavy suit much. The last time I ran heavy for any substantial period of time, it was all combat and rail rifles making short work of EVERYTHING! after the actual patch. like a week maybe? it was a hotfix basically. Ok. Well maybe I'll give it another go now that I have more time. Like I said, I haven't run heavy in a while. I've been running other suits that I'm minimally specced into and frankly don't enjoy as much. I could be wrong about the HMG in its current state, I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm not infallible. But the last time I ran my heavy/HMG substantially, it just became a frustrating waste of time and ISK.
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1404	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:52:00 - [17] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I should post this question on the Feedback/Requests channel, but I see no indication that that stuff is read or even looked at, so I'll post it here. Devs... players... passers by rubber necking at this train wreck... ANYONE, have any inkling when the HMG will be fixed??!!?? The 2 NEW rifles have made the OLD (and STILL broken) HMG even more of a joke! I find myself less and less drawn to this game and the Heavy class into which I specced. But what should I do, spin the roulette wheel and see which class it lands on to spec into next, only to have that class nerfed into obsolescence with the next update (nod to you AV'ers at the moment). It's truly a crap shoot which class will get hit next, and that's a gamble I'd rather not take. No, I'd rather enjoy the class that drew me to the game... the class (and weapon) into which I've invested millions of SP. (Removes reading glasses, closes rant notes folder, and quietly steps away from the podium.) So with that said, anyone have any indication... any word at all on HMG repairs, or new heavy suits for that matter? (Don't even want to look at the rant folder on that subject right now!) Bro do you even Heavy? Seriously though, the HMG is in a dmn fine place right now, and if you can't kill with it you need a new suit. When was this "dmn fine place" implemented? Maybe I missed something. In the last patch dude? Haven't you been playing/on the forums? The heavy suits are god powerful right now. Huge pools of HP, and they tweaked the HMG so that it actually works now. Boundless HMG's kill everything instantly. Burst HMG's can fricken two shot you. (two bursts). And my standard HMG/heavy suit just wrecks 70% of everything I come across in close quarters. (Advanced suits and lower) If I get behind a proto suit and unload there very beatable too. In my honest opinion heavies are working as intended right now. Marston VC, STB Director
Jacques Cayton II Providence Guard Templis CALSF 404	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:54:00 - [18] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I should post this question on the Feedback/Requests channel, but I see no indication that that stuff is read or even looked at, so I'll post it here. Devs... players... passers by rubber necking at this train wreck... ANYONE, have any inkling when the HMG will be fixed??!!?? The 2 NEW rifles have made the OLD (and STILL broken) HMG even more of a joke! I find myself less and less drawn to this game and the Heavy class into which I specced. But what should I do, spin the roulette wheel and see which class it lands on to spec into next, only to have that class nerfed into obsolescence with the next update (nod to you AV'ers at the moment). It's truly a crap shoot which class will get hit next, and that's a gamble I'd rather not take. No, I'd rather enjoy the class that drew me to the game... the class (and weapon) into which I've invested millions of SP. (Removes reading glasses, closes rant notes folder, and quietly steps away from the podium.) So with that said, anyone have any indication... any word at all on HMG repairs, or new heavy suits for that matter? (Don't even want to look at the rant folder on that subject right now!) Your a scrub I just went 30/0 and do that constantly with the hmg. Get good We fight for the future of the State not our personal goals
Marston VC SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 1404	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:54:00 - [19] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: Heathen Bastard wrote: very recently. You now have a cone and a 20% boost in rate of fire. in it's optimal, the only thing's that can hope to beat you are grenades, RE's, and tanks. and two of those will only get you after you killed whatever threw them down, if you're at low health. Yes, but when did this happen? I've seen no fixes on this. I haven't been on this game as much during the holidays (combination of busy-ness and plain old apathy with the game) and when I was on I didn't even waste my time pulling out the heavy suit much. The last time I ran heavy for any substantial period of time, it was all combat and rail rifles making short work of EVERYTHING! after the actual patch. like a week maybe? it was a hotfix basically. Ok. Well maybe I'll give it another go now that I have more time. Like I said, I haven't run heavy in a while. I've been running other suits that I'm minimally specced into and frankly don't enjoy as much. I could be wrong about the HMG in its current state, I'm not afraid to admit that. I'm not infallible. But the last time I ran my heavy/HMG substantially, it just became a frustrating waste of time and ISK. Just use a standard heavy suit with a standard HMG. Two complex armor reppers, and maybe a damage mod. Suit will cost about 20k isk, and if you cant go at least 1:1 in that suit your doing it wrong. (Though its capable of going 20-0 solo as ive done before) Marston VC, STB Director
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 489	Posted - 2014.01.01 17:59:00 - [20] - Quote Did you post this without even trying the newly refurbished HMG? It was changed a couple of weeks ago. Thing is beastly now, easily the best weapon inside that range. As a scout I actually fear heavies now 1v1, I have to throw an RE to have a chance unless I take them by surprise.

HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4339	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:03:00 - [21] - Quote noob cavman wrote: At hmg range, you can go toe to toe with 3 dudes and win I can actually do this with my Ascram and not have to be gimped in a huge hitbox slow suit. I only switch to my HMG heavy suit in very few situations where yes its great. However in pub matches with huge open spaces and the ridiculous range of the rifles it is outgunned. I can 1 v 1 most heavies in their optimal range and can run away if needed or throw down a repair hive. The heavy HMG may be great in cqc but in all other encounters he is toast. Why in the world does the HMG not have some range like in chromosome? Let's make all assault rifles ineffective at close quarters for CCP balance. The bullets just magically do nothing from 0-45 meters. cause that's what everyone wants is the heavy to be a hallway camper. rifles are much more effective than HMG in 98% of engagements.
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 14	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:04:00 - [22] - Quote Jacques Cayton II wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: I should post this question on the Feedback/Requests channel, but I see no indication that that stuff is read or even looked at, so I'll post it here. Devs... players... passers by rubber necking at this train wreck... ANYONE, have any inkling when the HMG will be fixed??!!?? The 2 NEW rifles have made the OLD (and STILL broken) HMG even more of a joke! I find myself less and less drawn to this game and the Heavy class into which I specced. But what should I do, spin the roulette wheel and see which class it lands on to spec into next, only to have that class nerfed into obsolescence with the next update (nod to you AV'ers at the moment). It's truly a crap shoot which class will get hit next, and that's a gamble I'd rather not take. No, I'd rather enjoy the class that drew me to the game... the class (and weapon) into which I've invested millions of SP. (Removes reading glasses, closes rant notes folder, and quietly steps away from the podium.) So with that said, anyone have any indication... any word at all on HMG repairs, or new heavy suits for that matter? (Don't even want to look at the rant folder on that subject right now!) Your a scrub I just went 30/0 and do that constantly with the hmg. Get good There there, feel better now? Superiority complex all nice and comfy? Thank you for the constructive criticism. You should consider a career in the counseling field. But seriously, thank you those of you who posted INFORMATIVE replies.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1054	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:04:00 - [23] - Quote the heavy is great now. you want them to aim for you?
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 4339	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:13:00 - [24] - Quote low genius wrote: the heavy is great now. you want them to aim for you? The HMG is better than the useless crap we suffered in uprising ,to say it is great is a joke. Do you run a HMG for an entire match all the time? I have since closed beta, except since aim assist and the quick ttm has ruined the full time HMG play stye it just isn't fun being shot at from across the street and not being able to shoot back effectively. I do 100 times better with a rifle at 4 times the range of the hmg and unlike the HMG user I can dictate my engagements were an HMG user can't.
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 14	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:19:00 - [25] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Did you post this without even trying the newly refurbished HMG? It was changed a couple of weeks ago. Thing is beastly now, easily the best weapon inside that range. As a scout I actually fear heavies now 1v1, I have to throw an RE to have a chance unless I take them by surprise. Yes, as I stated before I haven't bothered to pull out the heavy enough to gauge the difference. So this was again a partially uninformed post (as I see now) based on the results I got from my initial experiences against the new rifles. Again, my mistake. I'm going to try to get back into the heavy groove to truly see what the "refurbish" is like.
Cody Sietz Bullet Cluster Legacy Rising 1857	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:28:00 - [26] - Quote Apison Valusgeffen wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: What do you people want? The HMG is literally the most dangerous gun in it's optimal range. When i see a heavy in CQC i have to run. I know he'll win. So i just run away. Yeah you're right. But what do you mean "you people"? Fatties "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Apison Valusgeffen THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED Dark Taboo 14	Posted - 2014.01.01 18:49:00 - [27] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Apison Valusgeffen wrote: N1ck Comeau wrote: What do you people want? The HMG is literally the most dangerous gun in it's optimal range. When i see a heavy in CQC i have to run. I know he'll win. So i just run away. Yeah you're right. But what do you mean "you people"? Fatties Yeah, that was a rhetorical joke. It didn't require an answer. See when I asked "What do you mean "you people"?" I was sardonically implying that he he had an underlying bias, and discriminating against..... ahh skip it... Yeah you're right, he meant fatties.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 489	Posted - 2014.01.01 19:11:00 - [28] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: low genius wrote: the heavy is great now. you want them to aim for you? The HMG is better than the useless crap we suffered in uprising ,to say it is great is a joke. Do you run a HMG for an entire match all the time? I have since closed beta, except since aim assist and the quick ttm has ruined the full time HMG play stye it just isn't fun being shot at from across the street and not being able to shoot back effectively. I do 100 times better with a rifle at 4 times the range of the hmg and unlike the HMG user I can dictate my engagements were an HMG user can't. Is this not true of every single weapon in the game outside of the 4 rifles? They all pale in comparison. HMG is the best weapon in it's range. Sure it is not as useful in all situations as the rifles but it is in a nice place. The rifles are either OP or all other weapons are UP.
Green Living 0uter.Heaven 1124	Posted - 2014.01.01 19:17:00 - [29] - Quote I still remember the days when I could solo a heavy in a scout suit in CQC. Now I fear the heavy again, as I should. Happy for the heavy users.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2779	Posted - 2014.01.01 19:19:00 - [30] - Quote N1ck Comeau wrote: What do you people want? The HMG is literally the most dangerous gun in it's optimal range. When i see a heavy in CQC i have to run. I know he'll win. So i just run away. You serious? I melt HMGs in CQC with a standard Scrambler Rifle. No.



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