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Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 42	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:46:00 - [1] - Quote Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Void Echo Total Extinction 2308	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:47:00 - [2] - Quote 20000 years in the future and we still don't have cloaking technology? I know its ridiculous. Youtube Closed Beta Player I trust nobody but myself.
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 4114	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:48:00 - [3] - Quote Void Echo wrote: 20000 years in the future and we still don't have cloaking technology? I know its ridiculous. Well, technically, we do, just not for dropsuits yet. DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 682	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:52:00 - [4] - Quote invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable....
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2469	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:53:00 - [5] - Quote Prepare thyself for nerf threads when cloak arrives. Thread titles such as "Cloak 514" and "Everybody wants to be a Scout" will frequent the first page. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Knight Soiaire BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 4116	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:54:00 - [6] - Quote Wait, if I activate my cloak, then get into my LAV, does that mean I can trick people into thinking I'm a ghost LAV? DUST is so broken, even my PS3 refuses to let me play it.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1397	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:56:00 - [7] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Prepare thyself for nerf threads when cloak arrives. Thread titles such as "Cloak 514" and "Everybody wants to be a Scout" will frequent the first page. I almost hope that happens. Us scouts have been shat on for quite some time. I would love to see some QQ from people after invisible scouts cause mass chaos in a city. But at the same time, the QQ from the med frames will be SO strong, I bet it will get hot-fixed in about a week. If not sooner. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 682	Posted - 2013.12.31 02:59:00 - [8] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: Michael Arck wrote: Prepare thyself for nerf threads when cloak arrives. Thread titles such as "Cloak 514" and "Everybody wants to be a Scout" will frequent the first page. I almost hope that happens. Us scouts have been shat on for quite some time. I would love to see some QQ from people after invisible scouts cause mass chaos in a city. But at the same time, the QQ from the med frames will be SO strong, I bet it will get hot-fixed in about a week. If not sooner. i havnt heard the forums cry about something so much as i have with tanks right now... if THIS hasnt illicited anything in a week then i doubt cloak 514 will
Scout Registry 183	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:00:00 - [9] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Tankers vs Scouts, in a nutshell: Cloak rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Scouts hate that its EZ and use it sparingly. They're the first in the Forums to complain. The Tank rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Tankers spam it as hard as they possibly can, then defend it tooth and nail in the Forums.
Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 682	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:02:00 - [10] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Tankers vs Scouts, in a nutshell: Cloak rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Scouts hate that its EZ and use it sparingly. They're the first in the Forums to complain. The Tank rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Tankers spam it as hard as they possibly can, then defend it in the Forums. having a look at the first 5 pages of GD.... there isnt a single thread defending tanks :P its a myth

Scout Registry 184	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:09:00 - [11] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Tankers vs Scouts, in a nutshell: Cloak rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Scouts hate that its EZ and use it sparingly. They're the first in the Forums to complain. The Tank rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Tankers spam it as hard as they possibly can, then defend it in the Forums. having a look at the first 5 pages of GD.... there isnt a single thread defending tanks :P its a myth The last thing any Scout wants to see in the future is a squad of Nyain San running around in Scout Suits. Funny how a squad of Nyain San rolling around in Tanks doesn't alarm you Tankers.
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1398	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:09:00 - [12] - Quote Scout Registry wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Tankers vs Scouts, in a nutshell: Cloak rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Scouts hate that its EZ and use it sparingly. They're the first in the Forums to complain. The Tank rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Tankers spam it as hard as they possibly can, then defend it tooth and nail in the Forums. If the cloak becomes HORRIDLY OP, I would definitely say so on the forums. I'd still use it, because I'm a Ghost for a reason, but I wouldn't whine from a nerf. Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6158	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:15:00 - [13] - Quote Screw you, I want my cloak. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Logi Bro Greatness Achieved Through Training EoN. 2528	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:18:00 - [14] - Quote I imagine it will have a significant shimmer effect, so that it is hard to see at range, but will be distinguishable at CQC. No, I am not CCP Logibro. Not actually a Logi Bro anymore, more like a Big Bro.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1046	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:23:00 - [15] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right you'd be surprised.
Toby Flenderson research lab 172	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:25:00 - [16] - Quote One of my favorite parts about running scout is that it is both challenging and rewarding. Cloaks will take away the challenge and will probably change the way the scout suit functions entirely. I'm probably just going to stop playing if/when this actually comes out. I'm not about to deal with the wave of FOTM spam that will result from cloaks. The scout suit is fine. Just get better at using itGÇª without needing to be invisible. I can't even type that without cringing. People are demanding to be invisible in a FPS because they're not good enough to play a stealth role without it. The OP is not alone in thinking this is ridiculous.
FAKIR REDETTa 0uter.Heaven 69	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:27:00 - [17] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T7hHx7gdN68 safety dance anyone ?
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 966	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:29:00 - [18] - Quote Doesn't make sense to me either. We already have a cloaking device. It's called a scout dropsuit. CCP just needs to make that work like it should and problem solved. What use is the scout suit if everybody can disappear? Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 372	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:30:00 - [19] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Wait, if I activate my cloak, then get into my LAV, does that mean I can trick people into thinking I'm a ghost LAV? Good question. And now lets ask ourselves the same question but manning the LAV turret.
Nocturnal Soul Immortal Retribution 1457	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:33:00 - [20] - Quote Lol cloak op its probably the easiest thing to not make op. 1. The shimmer affect 2. Attacking automatically turns the cloak off Or 3.Attacking causes the cloak to turn a bright white making decloaking a priority before attacking. And the fizzy affect as I like to call last for 4-5 seconds on lower lvls and as you attain better cloaking mods or equipment the time decreases. See look there goes the cons for the cloak :-) "The trick to creativity is knowing how to hide your sources..." Albert Einstein

Scout Registry 185	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:34:00 - [21] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: If the cloak becomes HORRIDLY OP, I would definitely say so on the forums. I'd still use it, because I'm a Ghost for a reason, but I wouldn't whine from a nerf. No doubt Cloak is the best way to set the Scout apart. I'm excited (don't get me wrong), and I hope they get it right. By "get it right", I mean ... Not like Tanks. Not like Commando. Somewhere in between; where we can dance if we want to :-)
mollerz Minja Scouts 1506	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:36:00 - [22] - Quote My cloak is the **** poor FOV everyone has to suffer. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2265	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:47:00 - [23] - Quote Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden "Imagine a world where hypothetical thoughts didn't exist" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout/Logi/Dropship//Sniper
Mithridates VI Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2391	Posted - 2013.12.31 03:50:00 - [24] - Quote I would look awesome with a cloak. A long flowing red one. Please refrain from utilizing such inflammatory sarcasm in the future. GÇö CCP Eterne
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6161	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:00:00 - [25] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Doesn't make sense to me either. We already have a cloaking device. It's called a scout dropsuit. CCP just needs to make that work like it should and problem solved. What use is the scout suit if everybody can disappear? Wow, you actually think the profile dampeners are a cloak? LOL OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Lonewolf Heavy ROGUE SPADES 8	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:09:00 - [26] - Quote Void Echo wrote: 20000 years in the future and we still don't have cloaking technology? I know its ridiculous. Totally ridiculous right, cause you know we totally don't have it already happening 20000 years earlier. http://www.extremetech.com/extreme/143353-canadian-camouflage-company-claims-to-have-created-perfect-invisibility-cloak-us-military-soon-to-be-invisible Blueberries are delicious and an essential part of my diet ;) Commando/Heavy Willing to PC for anyone for a low price
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 358	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:20:00 - [27] - Quote theirs several ways to not make it op +in eve lore cloaking exists Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Seymor Krelborn DUST University Ivy League 1827	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:24:00 - [28] - Quote cloaks would work as long as only scouts can use them, they have at least a 60 second cool down and at most an 8 second active duration, and either an extremely high pg/cpu requirement or a high ehp reduction. this game makes me sad....
Rusty Shallows 629	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:31:00 - [29] - Quote Michael Arck wrote: Prepare thyself for nerf threads when cloak arrives. Thread titles such as "Cloak 514" and "Everybody wants to be a Scout" will frequent the first page. What If it is an equipment slot and because of fittings Logis do it better? MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 800	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:31:00 - [30] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Seeing how you'll need scouts to use them well...they won't be too OP when they first come out. We'll have to worry about shotgunner scouts mostly. As long as there are cooldowns and other limits such as still being "scannable" it won't be too bad. The dawn of the scouts is comnig though...can't wait to hear that QQ. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus

Rusty Shallows 629	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:33:00 - [31] - Quote Seymor Krelborn wrote: cloaks would work as long as only scouts can use them, they have at least a 60 second cool down and at most an 8 second active duration, and either an extremely high pg/cpu requirement or a high ehp reduction. Only if Sentinels get the same with the deplorable shield. Scouts do need more buffs btw. MCC Lounge Lizard Forums > Game Fix the game CCP
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 407	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:43:00 - [32] - Quote assuming that CCP doesn't make cloaks impervious to active scanners, I would get a proto scanner and light up ,literary, all those FOTM chasers who decided to waste their cpu on damge mods rather then dampners. so i hope cloak comes and i hope CCP doesn't make them undetectable by scanners because no matter what it is a scout suit aka being nude on the battlefield. psst! Cloaks on a scout won't save them from the wrath of the logi. All of what the scout is will be assimilated to the logi. Join us or perish. resistance is futile. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
zDemoncake Horizons' Edge 10	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:49:00 - [33] - Quote Shotgun scouts would be a scary thing, I remember camping doorways with the Rossmore in Resistance 2 with the cloaking ability. I would be interested in seeing how cloaks turn out to be if implemented. I can already be blindsided already if I'm not aware, but if random shots fired get hitmarkers, or a tossed grenade gets me a +50, I will have a grin on my face. Founder and Head of Mercenary Division of Horizons' Edge > Have blaster, will travel.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 929	Posted - 2013.12.31 04:55:00 - [34] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden crysis 2's multiplayer was so much better giving dedicated energy amounts to the different subsystems was a mistake. I played the **** out of that game. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 295	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:00:00 - [35] - Quote Toby Flenderson wrote: One of my favorite parts about running scout is that it is both challenging and rewarding. Cloaks will take away the challenge and will probably change the way the scout suit functions entirely. I'm probably just going to stop playing if/when this actually comes out. I'm not about to deal with the wave of FOTM spam that will result from cloaks. The scout suit is fine. Just get better at using itGÇª without needing to be invisible. I can't even type that without cringing. People are demanding to be invisible in a FPS because they're not good enough to play a stealth role without it. The OP is not alone in thinking this is ridiculous. I agree with this sentiment, just like I agree that slayer logis shouldn't exist. I'm a logisis and I love it. Be a better assault and leggo my suit. But on that same token, I believe scouts should beat one level tier better than the scanner. (ie, lvl 1 dampener + level 1 scout suit should beat a level 1 scanner). I shouldn't have a super xray machine that fills one pocket on my suit that beats most everything a scout can throw at it without an extreme sp investment compared to my minimal one. They're scouts for a reason. Let me them be stealthy and remind people to use their eyes again. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Taurion Bruni D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine 210	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:01:00 - [36] - Quote perhaps the cloak will lower your profile a tiny bit, and if you are scanned, your cloak deactivates, and a cooldown time is engaged until it can be used again. Pilot // Logistics
JL3Eleven 1453	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:04:00 - [37] - Quote **** cloaking. Yea I said it. It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. iLB6 FUB9 Buying all officer weapons for 500k regardless of type.
CommanderBolt ACME SPECIAL FORCES 521	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:21:00 - [38] - Quote Why the hell is everyone already bitching about cloaking before it is even out? Is it because you worry CCP will make it into a broken mechanic? Or do you just hate cloaking? It will come, cloaking exists heavily in EVE. This game will have it too I would suspect. Explain yourselves!
KA24DERT TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback 354	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:34:00 - [39] - Quote I think a stealth suit would be fine. Cloak can only be fitted to stealth suit. Stealth suit has Side-arm and 2 Equipment only (flux nades are debatable). Cloak disables when using sidearm, slight cloak shimmer when using equipment and moving at any speed faster than a crawl. Cloak should have no effect on scan profile, but you can use dampeners as usual. I think it'll enable some interesting play styles.
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 360	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:39:00 - [40] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: **** cloaking. Yea I said it. It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.

Borne Velvalor Endless Hatred 1858	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:39:00 - [41] - Quote Killzone 3 has cloaking. I always use it. Tactic? Sit on a rock firing silenced rounds at people going by. Many suits I've worn, many burdens I've borne, for the oaths I've sworn. Panda.
Timtron Victory Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 5	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:41:00 - [42] - Quote I dont think there is a need for cloaking. Just make it so that suits can in front of you or any direction you are facing. Having eyes behind the back of your head is ridiculous thats why I am enjoying Uncharted 3 online. Knives are useless because everyone has eyes behind the back of their heads
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 876	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:45:00 - [43] - Quote I'm very nervous about cloaks. I'd rather CCP just tune up the other scout attributes a tad bit and leave cloaks out of the game....
Shiruba Ryou Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 77	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:48:00 - [44] - Quote I don't really understand scouts saying they're getting ** on all the time. If you are then you're not doing it right. I can't tell you how many times I've been taken out by a scout who played to the strengths of the suit they were wearing. You know. Like a smart person. I also can't tell you how many times I've swatted an idiot scout out of my way because they ran right at me full force across some open area expecting to somehow Neo through my AR spray. You guys are a paper-thin, speedy, small, suit type. Do what you can do or do what you can't and I'll keep killing you. I'm a medium gallente user. I stack as much armor as possible and as many damage mods as possible because I believe in the Gallente Mantra of Warfare: Get in close and shove as much plasma as possible into the enemy until they die and hope my armor holds out until then. I don't try and fight people 60m+ away fom be with a ar thinking I'll win. I don't fight in wide open spaces because I know I'm not fast enough to find cover in time. I don't turn a corner, see a heavy, and stay... ok I do. But 3 complex damage mods on a Duvolle Breach AR kinda makes me toss the dice on that one. My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that ** happened..... Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fucking fruit salad.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 428	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:50:00 - [45] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Do you really think they can't make it all balanced? Cloaks have a % cloaked (higher = better effect, lower = more visual effects that make it more noticeable) Some have higher time cloaked while some have lower for less or more cloaked effect respectively. Cannot hack/shoot/deploy equipment or otherwise manipulate anything or it'll cancel the cloak. After the cloak is manually canceled or stopped it goes into a cooldown similar to the active scanner. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
RuckingFetard Better Hide R Die 615	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:51:00 - [46] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: Wait, if I activate my cloak, then get into my LAV, does that mean I can trick people into thinking I'm a ghost LAV? No no no you're wrong. There'll be an entire bug that'll turn the LAV itself invisible The Last Of The BHD
Krom Ganesh Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire 1014	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:06:00 - [47] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: I'm very nervous about cloaks. I'd rather CCP just tune up the other scout attributes a tad bit and leave cloaks out of the game.... I'm nervous about it as well, but not about whether it will be OP or not. As much as people fear it will be OP, I don't see it being that powerful. We already have a low FOV and if you are playing intelligently, it is easy enough to avoid visual detection. I'm more concerned that CCP is going to make the entire scout class revolve around the use of the cloak, which would be horrendous. However, I still want cloaking to be in the game. It is another tool that can have its uses if implemented correctly. !
JL3Eleven 1454	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:08:00 - [48] - Quote deepfried salad gilliam wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: ** cloaking. Yea I said it. It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? No because it's *** tactics. This is a war game remember? iLB6 FUB9 Buying all officer weapons for 500k regardless of type.
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1585	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:11:00 - [49] - Quote would be alot easier to get RE's on tanks if you were invisible
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6164	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:14:00 - [50] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: deepfried salad gilliam wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: ** cloaking. Yea I said it. It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? No because it's * tactics. This is a war game remember? And in every war, every tactic is a legit tactic regardless of how lame the tactics are. Why? Because it's war. All is fair in war. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD**

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6166	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:22:00 - [51] - Quote I just can't believe you people. I mean there is nothing wrong with cloaks in the game and cloaks don't really break anything. In Halo, you have the cloak, but there are counters to that cloak. According to CCP, as they have repeatedly pointed out, cloaks in Dust will have counters to it as well. 1. Active scanners will still light up the cloaked user if the user's profile is not low enough. 2. The cloaks will have a cooldown if they go with the same cloak mechanics as in Eve Online. 3. Scouts will be the only ones to be able to fit it without being gimped since scouts will be the only ones with a bonus to the reduction of CPU/PG usage of the cloak along with other perks that no other suits will have. It's simple. I just don't see any problem with cloaks. I don't care what you say at this point. I just don't see any problems with it. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4322	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:24:00 - [52] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right Yep, you're the only one. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
JL3Eleven 1454	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:28:00 - [53] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: deepfried salad gilliam wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: ** cloaking. Yea I said it. It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? No because it's *** tactics. This is a war game remember? And in every war, every tactic is a legit tactic regardless of how lame the tactics are. Why? Because it's war. All is fair in war. Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance. iLB6 FUB9 Buying all officer weapons for 500k regardless of type.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6166	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:29:00 - [54] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance. I don't care. It's a legit tactic. Deal with it. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Mitch Laurence The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 42	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:30:00 - [55] - Quote Quafe Scout + Cloak = Purple Haze And am I the only one who wants to salvage from the dead? We also need more Tackle. "People will say we're in love." -Hannibal Lecter
JL3Eleven 1454	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:46:00 - [56] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance. I don't care. It's a legit tactic. Deal with it. Yes I'm sure you need all the crutches you can get. iLB6 FUB9 Buying all officer weapons for 500k regardless of type.
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 428	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:50:00 - [57] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: 1. Active scanners will still light up the cloaked user if the user's profile is not low enough. I really have a problem with this part. I feel that cloaks could easily be a way to combat scanners. With one needing such a massive amount of SP and wasted slots to fight against something that has such a minimal SP investment in comparison it makes no sense. A proto scout should be able to evade an advanced scanner with no dampening skills at all and no slots used on dampeners. And guess what? I main a logi suit with a scanner on every fit and a rifle with damage mod(s) It's seriously a damn wallhack and the only reason I still use the damn thing is that I'm so used to it and the edge it gives me. I can pretty much scan anything with my A-45. Hell some people probably know that if I'm on the other side, you'll be seeing "You have been scanned" Over and over and over again. tl;dr Cloaks are cool nerf scanners ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6168	Posted - 2013.12.31 06:53:00 - [58] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance. I don't care. It's a legit tactic. Deal with it. Yes I'm sure you need all the crutches you can get. I don't understand your problem here. The whole "crutch" thing is getting old to the point that the word doesn't even have the same impact it had a long time ago. Tac ARs? Crutch. HAVs? Crutch. LAVs? Crutch. Thale Snipers? Crutch. Forge Guns? Crutch. Anything and everything that can kill someone has now been labeled a crutch. Seriously, grow up and adapt. If you don't want to adapt, then get ready to die in your clone body. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6169	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:02:00 - [59] - Quote You know what's funny? The cloak hasn't even been implemented yet and we don't know the whole stats on the damn thing and people here are already acting like it's OP or something. You people are just hilarious. I guess I should at least be thankful that the people here in Dust are nothing like the CoD players who threatened one of the Devs with ** and murder when their rifle got rebalanced. No seriously, that actually did happen. It's sad. It was on Twitter. OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD**
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 111	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:04:00 - [60] - Quote Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.

Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6169	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:07:00 - [61] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. Don't forget us scouts. SkirmishMap [breeze] Maken Tosch OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Oswald Rehnquist 970	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:07:00 - [62] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: deepfried salad gilliam wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: ** cloaking. Yea I said it. It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? No because it's * tactics. This is a war game remember? lol, a support suit which the majority of the population uses, with the most slots with equitable front line capabilities with the best wp potential, which are able to deploy tactics like spamming mass drop uplinks which prevent being routed, and an item like an active scanner which the focus catching 99% of all movement thus eliminating flanking, and we are concerned about the sanctity of ww2 tactics? Call me skeptical I actually don't think its the cloak itself but more to do with other venues becoming more competitive as demonstrated in this Shiruba Ryou wrote: My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that ** happened..... For all we know cloaks might take a light weapon slot, might have a long activation or deactivation period if its an equipment slot which you can't use your weapon during those times, or have a cool down of 300 seconds for 10 seconds of cloak, etc Point being is that balance is something that can be figured out or for CCPs case not too hard to fix after a month or two should cloaks be implemented (which they may never be), while that doesn't mean it shouldn't be discussed as there are plenty of pros and cons (like is the scout going to have a shotgun wedding with the device?) but its apparent when the base argument is the equivalent to "no cloaks, no", vs "this is how cloaking should be introduced or I see problems A, B, and C coming up and thus D, C and E should be done instead of cloaks" is more of an indication that the base motivation is to limit the threat of other competitive avenues. Good or bad, I do see cloaks as something to liven up the staleness of the scout, as the game play becomes more monotonous with the limited builds the scout has. Of course making the scout only good with the cloak is going in the wrong direction because that would get boring after 6 months too. My $.02 Below 28 dB
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 111	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:11:00 - [63] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. Don't forget us scouts. SkirmishMap [breeze] Maken Tosch I could never! I look at that sexy beast in the war barge and think, "One day. One day..." Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 6169	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:14:00 - [64] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. Don't forget us scouts. SkirmishMap [breeze] Maken Tosch I could never! I look at that sexy beast in the war barge and think, "One day. One day..." https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=39YUXIKrOFk OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved? *CLOSED BETA VETERAN SINCE REPLICATION BUILD*
Ghost Kaisar Titans of Phoenix 1402	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:15:00 - [65] - Quote I have a feeling that most people don't like it because they can't kill what they can't see. The reason why I want a cloak is simple. More stealth. You look at someone in your small 15 degree radius in front of you, and if they are in range, they light up like a christmas tree. Scanners can do 360 degree scans for outwards of 100m, and detect everything in range. Scouts are being forced to use dampening modules on a suit DESIGNED to avoid scanners. The amount of scanning makes eWar impossible to implement. The only stealth in this game right now is simply flanking 24/7. The FOV is the only saving grace. That alone is fun as hell, but EVERY OTHER SUIT CAN DO THAT. Which is why I feel that scouts don't have a real role. A logi can do everything that a scout can, and better. Cloaks will change that. They will be able to avoid that pesky LOS scan. I can easily set up ambushes and wait for my targets. I will be able to flank a group, cloak, and watch the confusion as they wonder where I went. I will be like the Predator, picking groups apart one by one, or setting a trap and nailing them all at once. Hell, if it really helps stealth out, I'll probably drop my shields for some damage mods. Become the ultimate glass cannon. I can't wait. And if you honestly think it'll be a "Crutch", remember this. I still can't kill you with it out. It WILL have drawbacks, and it will reward a careful and smart playstyle. Even when cloaked, scouts still have miniscule eHP, so you better make sure you de-cloak at just the right time. A good player will still shred you if you give him half a chance. So don't give him a chance [:twisted} Minmatar Faction Warfare: Let's get Organized
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2513	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:36:00 - [66] - Quote I'm not too hot on the cloak idea either but let the kids have a toy. Real scouts will use REs and Profile dampeners! Looking For: Corp If a scout runs out of all ammunition behind enemy lines, they did something right.
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 48	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:41:00 - [67] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: You know what's funny? The cloak hasn't even been implemented yet and we don't know the whole stats on the damn thing and people here are already acting like it's OP or something. You people are just hilarious. I guess I should at least be thankful that the people here in Dust are nothing like the CoD players who threatened one of the Devs with **** and murder when their rifle got rebalanced. No seriously, that actually did happen. It's sad. It was on Twitter. Im not saying there going to be Op, I just think it doesnt seem right to me. Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Shutter Fly Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 142	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:47:00 - [68] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. Fusion is a Scout, and I don't think he is even has SP in ARs, or any weapons other than shotguns, SMGs, and explosives. If he does, I've never seen him use anything else. That being said... Shiruba Ryou wrote: I don't really understand scouts saying they're getting ** on all the time. If you are then you're not doing it right. I can't tell you how many times I've been taken out by a scout who played to the strengths of the suit they were wearing. You know. Like a smart person. I also can't tell you how many times I've swatted an idiot scout out of my way because they ran right at me full force across some open area expecting to somehow Neo through my AR spray. You guys are a paper-thin, speedy, small, suit type. Do what you can do or do what you can't and I'll keep killing you. I'm a medium gallente user. I stack as much armor as possible and as many damage mods as possible because I believe in the Gallente Mantra of Warfare: Get in close and shove as much plasma as possible into the enemy until they die and hope my armor holds out until then. I don't try and fight people 60m+ away from me with a ar thinking I'll win. I don't fight in wide open spaces because I know I'm not fast enough to find cover in time. I don't turn a corner, see a heavy, and stay... ok I do. But 3 complex damage mods on a CreoDron Breach AR kinda makes me toss the dice on that one. My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that ** happened..... Just because Fusion makes it work doesn't make it proof that the Scout is balanced in any way. Fusion is one of the best Scouts in Dust, enough so that he is a special case. He runs full Proto in every game, almost always runs in a very capable full squad, and plays in a fashion that maximizes his volume of kills. The scout is objectively inferior to medium frame dropsuits. Nobody can get those kind of kills with a scout without full Proto and an ideal squad, while a Logi or Assault can do it much more consistently with a lot less. The Scout needs something, I don't really care whether or not it's a cloak, but I don't think it's a bad idea. All it needs to be is a quick equipment based way to get across open ground undetected or flank a group of enemies without being sniped or seen from a distance. It wouldn't be a problem to limit to scouts if they had a 100-300 CPU cost, and scouts had a ~90% CPU reduction. Meaning it would be possible to fit on other suits, but not beneficial. A moderate movement shimmer would prevent it from being used for CQC, while still being effective for preventing long range visual detection while flanking or hiding while a group of enemies pass by.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 755	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:49:00 - [69] - Quote To OP: I don't think you are crazy and I am with you on that one. However, being an OP you should put some effort explaining why or why not. Otherwise, your post looks and is lazy. There are too many garbage threads in the forums where teenagers share their feelings with the world. There is really no need for another one. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 755	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:51:00 - [70] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'm not too hot on the cloak idea either but let the kids have a toy. Real scouts will use REs and Profile dampeners! RE are pretty pathetic, man. The fact that so many scouts use them admits defeat and shows how pathetic scouts are. RE is really a static analogue of a noob tube. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!

Oswald Rehnquist 971	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:53:00 - [71] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Maken Tosch wrote: You know what's funny? The cloak hasn't even been implemented yet and we don't know the whole stats on the damn thing and people here are already acting like it's OP or something. You people are just hilarious. I guess I should at least be thankful that the people here in Dust are nothing like the CoD players who threatened one of the Devs with **** and murder when their rifle got rebalanced. No seriously, that actually did happen. It's sad. It was on Twitter. Im not saying there going to be Op, I just think it doesnt seem right to me. There were more opinions on cloaks expressed in this thread so I'm sure he is addressing them, especially since the "your doing it wrong" came up again. But since you are here, I do have to say your statement was rather ambiguous, or I wasn't able to discern what made cloaks not seem right if it wasn't on the basis of balance. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with the cloak but reasons why would be something to go off on. Below 28 dB
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 231	Posted - 2013.12.31 07:59:00 - [72] - Quote Actually cloaking I can almost guarantee will be under powered. Take a look at ghost recon future soldier. Scouts have them as stock equipment that are active when they are still for can more than one second. At around level 30 you can select augmented camo that allows you to move while crouched in the camo'ed state. Problem is it makes the background look like its underwater. Unless they go ridiculously out of proportion with the camo transparency I very much doubt it will be game breaking. Dedicated Stealth Scout. Scout instructor; Learning Coalition Scrambler Pistol dedication
Oswald Rehnquist 972	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:02:00 - [73] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'm not too hot on the cloak idea either but let the kids have a toy. Real scouts will use REs and Profile dampeners! RE are pretty pathetic, man. The fact that so many scouts use them admits defeat and shows how pathetic scouts are. RE is really a static analogue of a noob tube. lol, I haven't use REs since half way in 1.6 in preparation for 1.7, but getting killed by them is in itself laziness because it just takes a little looking or a flux on an objective to defeat them. When I do get killed by Res which is very rare, its because I was rushing / being stupid. I'll put it this way when I started using them in 1.5-1.6 the stacked corp teams never got killed by them when I placed them down. Food for thought Below 28 dB
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2473	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:10:00 - [74] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'm not too hot on the cloak idea either but let the kids have a toy. Real scouts will use REs and Profile dampeners! RE are pretty pathetic, man. The fact that so many scouts use them admits defeat and shows how pathetic scouts are. RE is really a static analogue of a noob tube. lol, I haven't use REs since half way in 1.6 in preparation for 1.7, but getting killed by them is in itself laziness because it just takes a little looking or a flux on an objective to defeat them. When I do get killed by Res which is very rare, its because I was rushing / being stupid. I'll put it this way when I started using them in 1.5-1.6 the stacked corp teams never got killed by them when I placed them down. Food for thought Yep same here. Everytime I have died by one, I have called myself all types of name for making such a stupid mistake. See the objective, see what's hugging the objective...then proceed. Being over zealous, in general, has cost me many a clone. But I just wanted to add more ISK to the OP. I think we should all look at the big picture. Once everything comes into place, the dynamic of the battlefield will be pleasing. Its why I don't get too peeved by tanks. I know with time, some things will be adjusted and I know once all weapons, vehicles and suits are available to us, there will be plenty of ways to adjust to an ever changing battlefield. As much as a good scout is a sore on my head like Fry with that alien attached to his skull, I think cloaking would be great for the scout and give him just what he needs for those pinch moments to survive. I enjoy the idea because it brings about a new threat. But most importantly, I will be learning how to recognize that threat so that I can pick up on a cloaked scout before he gets the drop on me. I don't know about you, but that sounds fun to me. Makes for some epic tales. So just hold on. We can't see that picture until all one thousand little puzzle pieces are fitted together. Then when that happens, lets judge. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Zerus Ni'Kator Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 45	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:11:00 - [75] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: Scout Registry wrote: Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Tankers vs Scouts, in a nutshell: Cloak rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Scouts hate that its EZ and use it sparingly. They're the first in the Forums to complain. The Tank rolls out ridiculously OP ... 90% of Tankers spam it as hard as they possibly can, then defend it in the Forums. having a look at the first 5 pages of GD.... there isnt a single thread defending tanks :P its a myth Only an idiot would defend Tanks right now, they are blatantly broken
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2473	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:20:00 - [76] - Quote I don't see how tanks are broken. It was just AR 514 a few months ago. New rifles come in, you don't hear about "AR 514" anymore. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
mollerz Minja Scouts 1509	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:38:00 - [77] - Quote I don't care about the cloak because it's a foregone conclusion it will suck ass right out the gate, so **** it. I'll toss it into the junk drawer with my flay lock. You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 168	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:44:00 - [78] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right Fixed it. Your Welcome. 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot/stab them.' Snow LOCKOUT Psycho with the knife.
Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming Zero-Day 650	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:45:00 - [79] - Quote I believe the effect will be more akin to camouflage Would you seriously begrudge the use of camouflage in a military setting like this? In theory: You'll still 'see' a cloaked person (more so when they move but obviously not as easily as of right now without it) They won't be able to do anything while cloaked aside from movement They will likely have a movement penalty so they can't reposition easily And most frames will also likely seriously struggle to put that on AND be well protected AND evade scanners "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 49	Posted - 2013.12.31 08:53:00 - [80] - Quote The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.

Oswald Rehnquist 972	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:24:00 - [81] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not CCP stated that scouts would get a fitting reduction and a reduced shimmer effect, which means by contrast non scouts would not have a fitting reduction and have a larger shimmer effect which then translates to cloaks not being limited to scouts. The recent Dev blog contains quite a bit of information if you haven't seen it yet, even speculation on changing of the scout bonus and new racial bonuses for the scout based on the wording of it. Below 28 dB
Justicar Karnellia Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 320	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:25:00 - [82] - Quote Void Echo wrote: 20000 years in the future and we still don't have cloaking technology? I know its ridiculous. Perhaps they will also discover how to slide a red-dot sight onto a rifle....
Omareth Nasadra Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 227	Posted - 2013.12.31 09:39:00 - [83] - Quote posting in a speculative qq thread Minmatar, In rust we trust!!! Omareth Nasadra/Erynyes
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 50	Posted - 2013.12.31 10:15:00 - [84] - Quote Omareth Nasadra wrote: posting in a speculative qq thread You havent actaully read the thread have you? Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 411	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:07:00 - [85] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... Cloaks can work and they work in other games as well. As long as shooting (and maybe running) breaks the cloak I am fine with that. And scouts have been very weak since uprising so the need this uf desperately. Cloaking works in other games as well so it comes all down to how CCP implements cloaking. Regarding the vehicle balance you seem pretty satisfied with CCPs balaning, so why don't you believe they will deliver a similar balance with cloaks?
Toby Flenderson research lab 176	Posted - 2013.12.31 11:56:00 - [86] - Quote lee corwood wrote: Toby Flenderson wrote: One of my favorite parts about running scout is that it is both challenging and rewarding. Cloaks will take away the challenge and will probably change the way the scout suit functions entirely. I'm probably just going to stop playing if/when this actually comes out. I'm not about to deal with the wave of FOTM spam that will result from cloaks. The scout suit is fine. Just get better at using itGÇª without needing to be invisible. I can't even type that without cringing. People are demanding to be invisible in a FPS because they're not good enough to play a stealth role without it. The OP is not alone in thinking this is ridiculous. I agree with this sentiment, just like I agree that slayer logis shouldn't exist. I'm a logisis and I love it. Be a better assault and leggo my suit. But on that same token, I believe scouts should beat one level tier better than the scanner. (ie, lvl 1 dampener + level 1 scout suit should beat a level 1 scanner). I shouldn't have a super xray machine that fills one pocket on my suit that beats most everything a scout can throw at it without an extreme sp investment compared to my minimal one. They're scouts for a reason. Let me them be stealthy and remind people to use their eyes again. Fair enough, I will gladly trade a dampening buff for the cloak. That is much more reasonable.
Shiruba Ryou Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 77	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:31:00 - [87] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. Fusion is a Scout, and I don't think he is even has SP in ARs, or any weapons other than shotguns, SMGs, and explosives. If he does, I've never seen him use anything else. That being said... Shiruba Ryou wrote: I don't really understand scouts saying they're getting ** on all the time. If you are then you're not doing it right. I can't tell you how many times I've been taken out by a scout who played to the strengths of the suit they were wearing. You know. Like a smart person. I also can't tell you how many times I've swatted an idiot scout out of my way because they ran right at me full force across some open area expecting to somehow Neo through my AR spray. You guys are a paper-thin, speedy, small, suit type. Do what you can do or do what you can't and I'll keep killing you. I'm a medium gallente user. I stack as much armor as possible and as many damage mods as possible because I believe in the Gallente Mantra of Warfare: Get in close and shove as much plasma as possible into the enemy until they die and hope my armor holds out until then. I don't try and fight people 60m+ away from me with a ar thinking I'll win. I don't fight in wide open spaces because I know I'm not fast enough to find cover in time. I don't turn a corner, see a heavy, and stay... ok I do. But 3 complex damage mods on a CreoDron Breach AR kinda makes me toss the dice on that one. My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that happened..... Just because Fusion makes it work doesn't make it proof that the Scout is balanced in any way. Fusion is one of the best Scouts in Dust, enough so that he is a special case. He runs full Proto in every game, almost always runs in a very capable full squad, and plays in a fashion that maximizes his volume of kills. The scout is objectively inferior to medium frame dropsuits. Nobody can get those kind of kills with a scout without full Proto and an ideal squad, while a Logi or Assault can do it much more consistently with a lot less. The Scout needs something, I don't really care whether or not it's a cloak, but I don't think it's a bad idea. All it needs to be is a quick equipment based way to get across open ground undetected or flank a group of enemies without being sniped or seen from a distance. It wouldn't be a problem to limit to scouts if they had a 100-300 CPU cost, and scouts had a ~90% CPU reduction. Meaning it would be possible to fit on other suits, but not beneficial. A moderate movement shimmer would prevent it from being used for CQC, while still being effective for preventing long range visual detection while flanking or hiding while a group of enemies pass by. I don't disagree with the addition of the cloak. It's an equipment. I also don't have an issue with the scout suit being re-balanced to accommodate it. My post was directed at the months of crying by scouts since Uprising 1....3? when hit detection was fixed. (Can't remember when exactly that was fixed.) Before then scouts were ballzy as hell. They'd run straight at you and you were lucky if enough bullets hit them before they shot gunned you in the face. Since then they couldn't do that anymore and yet they never adapted and changed their play style to accommodate they're suit. Again, speaking about the majority. I fully support CCP doing their slow additions to DUST to bring it closer to what THEY envision this game to play like. It's the constant flood of btchy threads from people that do the same ** over and over and over again without any thought to re-balance THEMSELVES that pisses me off. We're talking about a game thats part of the same universe and principles of EVE Online. If you put yourself in a fight that you clearly are disadvantaged in, use your ship/modules in ways that your crap doesn't work, or basically ignore what you can and cannot do with what you have: you die. As you should. With that said, I'll clarify that I of course don't count this thread as one of those. All fusion did was ask about the validity of the equipment addition to the game environment. However, the posts in it are mostly the same crap. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fucking fruit salad.
jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 203	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:36:00 - [88] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... you thought tank514 and scanner514 was bad? wait til cloaks come out & you get "douvule focused active scanner514" recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:38:00 - [89] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden crysis 2's multiplayer was so much better giving dedicated energy amounts to the different subsystems was a mistake. I played the **** out of that game. It was also slow as molasses because sprinting reset your energy regeneration and actively drained energy. On that note, anyone who complains about cloaks being inherently imbalanced should play Crysis 3. Those are perfect - Enough shimmer to be killable by a good player, but invisible enough to actually work.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 235	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:38:00 - [90] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right When people is talking about cloaking they think "i will be an invicible predator blahblahblah" They don't know what a cloak is in an FPs so..... In a Fps the cloaking is hard to use with a lot of drawbacks. First : We can't shoot and/or run when we are cloaked you can't just run into the lines because once you're cloaked YOU CAN'T RUN. Second : To shoot you must disable the cloaking : No snipers cloaked in the redline. No random shotgun every corner. To make that they must close to you then disable the cloak THEN they can shoot you. And when you disable the cloak it makes a special sound like a flux grenade. So you must use it carefully. Third : If someone shoots you your cloak is disable. Random bullet or explosive can happen a single flux in a room and you lost your cloaking. Cloaking is not really a visual aspect of course you are invisible but you can't do anything. Cloaking is REALLY important because it makes you invisible to ALL FORMS of scanners Passive And active. The only thing you can do without disable it is hacking. Cloaking is not supposed to be used as an "assassination module" of course really experimented players could use it like that but it will not be easy. Cloaking is more supposed to be use as an invisible spy recolting information on the ennemy witohut being see. He can stay next to an objective with his passive radars see all the ennemy while they can't see him. Ps : If he pass on an equipement (Nanohive drop uplinks etcetc.... ) the cloak is still active (So invisible on radars) BUT ennemies can see him. Even if it's an teamate equipement. You see ? Cloak is balanced used by recons to see all the nearby ennemis without risk. BUT to be effective Passive scanners of the scout should be see by all the squad teamates.

jerrmy12 kahoalii Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 203	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:42:00 - [91] - Quote Sole Fenychs wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden crysis 2's multiplayer was so much better giving dedicated energy amounts to the different subsystems was a mistake. I played the **** out of that game. It was also slow as molasses because sprinting reset your energy regeneration and actively drained energy. I loved C3 because the pace of the game was more like an oldschool shooter. On that note, anyone who complains about cloaks being inherently imbalanced should play Crysis 3. Those are perfect - Enough shimmer to be killable by a good player, but invisible enough to actually work. thats why i see "cloaked" enemies from 20+m away, i stopped using that POS cloak a long time ago, unless sniping, if cloaks end up like that........ recuruit link 5 to 11 mil isk per 100k recuruit
IVIaster LUKE 302	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:53:00 - [92] - Quote My middle finger is cloaked CCP. PvE ? "If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
Tech Ohm Eaven L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1046	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:59:00 - [93] - Quote Going to just wait until April and my PS4 instead of trying to push my laptop to run this game. That infiltrator class with the cloak is badass when running with NC antipersonnel mines and the SMG with extended mags, advanced laser 4X sight , silencer , foregrip and softpoint ammo for better killing ability. Abandon Ship!, Abandon Ship!! Jumps into escape pod! Selected destination Planet PS4.
THE GREY CARDINAL PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 306	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:13:00 - [94] - Quote I have 5.2 million unallocated SP (spent some ) to go balls deep into scout/cloaking day 1. I'll make sure I have enough for proto scout suit (whichever has the best racial bonus) and level 5 cloaking. I've been a dedicated logi since E3 build...but cloaking will be my new shiney toy when I'm not playing support. I'ma get all Sun Tzu up in this *****. Electronic Warfare GOD in the making
Leonid Tybalt Dark Knightz Corp. 76	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:22:00 - [95] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... You're not very old are you? If so then you'd have remembered the good old days playing Doom, Quake 1, 2 and 3 where the invisibility upgrade was a staple in multiplayer maps. Yet somehow it wasn't "breaking games" back then. How do you explain that?
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1734	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:23:00 - [96] - Quote We had cloaks before, if anyone remembers. For some, it was a glitch. To others, a feature. Personally, I drove in LAVs when it happened to me and just ghost ride around. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara Use the Commando A-I suit and show your worth.
Scout Registry 196	Posted - 2013.12.31 13:31:00 - [97] - Quote @ Scouts Quick Reminder: Fusion (OP) is among our most experienced. He's up there with Lightning, Marauder, Radar and Musturd. @ Shiruba Ryou You're a 'bit short on facts. But that's fine. Keep talking, champ. Tell us how dumb you think we are; please speak plainly and be specific, so we can follow. Blow our minds with your vast understanding. We can't wait to hear more. More Two Cents: I totally agree with your points, Maken Tosch and Ghost Kaisar. Cloak might be exactly what we need. Even if it turned out to be useless, it'd still be fun to tinker with. That said, I don't see a problem with this discussion. I'd definitely see a problem if Scouts here were offering up Quil-like concession and sacrifice in advance of knowing even the first thing about cloak. But that hasn't happened here. Yet. If nothing else, this thread is perfectly timed. Tanks have shown us how "too much" can affect the game. Indeed, most of us have been waiting a long time for a "specialty" to set us apart. But at the same time, most of us would take serious issue with Scouts becoming the next FotM ... we're supposed to be Hard Mode :-).
pseudosnipre 428	Posted - 2013.12.31 15:39:00 - [98] - Quote I agree with Fusion. Experienced scouts know their strengths and limitations and do fine without a cloak. Im NOT looking forward to tourist season... "I get to be invisible AND stuck on terrain?!?! Holy ****, sign me up!!!" Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
CRYPT3C W0LF Krullefor Organization Minmatar Republic 120	Posted - 2013.12.31 15:49:00 - [99] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden hmmm Crysis 3 huh? was Top 10 in the leaderboards there before I switched to Dust :P "Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster" Friedrich Nietzsche-
BursegSardaukar Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 274	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:17:00 - [100] - Quote Favorite parts of Planetside 2: -Jump jets -Cloaks Bring them to Dust and I'll never cheat on her again.* *also putting Dust on the PC would help migrate all my EVE pilots into the game from PS2 as well. CEO of General Tso's Alliance. Winner of Hulkageddon IV. Contact me on my EVE character: Burseg Sardaukar

Elmo Love U 514 Mile High Club 553	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:40:00 - [101] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right I miss my casper the not so friendly ghost. Killed 75 in one match. POW, right in the kisser. ChantsPVE PVE PVE PVE
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 164	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:42:00 - [102] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. You do realize the OP is one of the better scouts in the game, right?
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 558	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:46:00 - [103] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. You do realize the OP is one of the better scouts in the game, right? Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2873	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:50:00 - [104] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: Seeing how you'll need scouts to use them well...they won't be too OP when they first come out. We'll have to worry about shotgunner scouts mostly. As long as there are cooldowns and other limits such as still being "scannable" it won't be too bad. The dawn of the scouts is comnig though...can't wait to hear that QQ. Making them Scout only won't help. As long as I am not capped out, I can get an ADV Basic Scout Frame within about 2hrs of game play. They will become the easiest FoTM this game has ever seen. Thought the Duvolle ARs, Duvolle Focused Scanners, Logistics, and Flaylock Pistols were OP? At least they required significant SP investments. ...
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 702	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:55:00 - [105] - Quote people thought the same with eve but it kind of worked out. i don't think cloaking in dust is going to be anything like what people think its going to be. i can see cloaking to hack or drop links/re etc but cloak to kill, i don't believe ccp are that stupid to implement it although they might do it for a while just to stir the hornets nest before toning it back https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3583	Posted - 2013.12.31 18:56:00 - [106] - Quote Atiim wrote: Roy Ventus wrote: Seeing how you'll need scouts to use them well...they won't be too OP when they first come out. We'll have to worry about shotgunner scouts mostly. As long as there are cooldowns and other limits such as still being "scannable" it won't be too bad. The dawn of the scouts is comnig though...can't wait to hear that QQ. Making them Scout only won't help. As long as I am not capped out, I can get an ADV Basic Scout Frame within about 2hrs of game play. They will become the easiest FoTM this game has ever seen. Thought the Duvolle ARs, Duvolle Focused Scanners, Logistics, and Flaylock Pistols were OP? At least they required significant SP investments. If we want to get into technicalities, despite us referring to it as such, the basic frame is not a scout suit so if it was scout only that wouldn't work. Smartass FTW! \o/ Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Cymek Omnius Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation 17	Posted - 2013.12.31 19:08:00 - [107] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right I wish there was a way to down vote a post.
mollerz Minja Scouts 1515	Posted - 2013.12.31 19:08:00 - [108] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: people thought the same with eve but it kind of worked out. i don't think cloaking in dust is going to be anything like what people think its going to be. i can see cloaking to hack or drop links/re etc but cloak to kill, i don't believe ccp are that stupid to implement it although they might do it for a while just to stir the hornets nest before toning it back You can do cloaked kills in eve. You tank a OHK fit, covert ops cloak, warp in and fly to the exact optimal range, uncloak, pop, warp, cloak. In Dust it would just be a minja with an IshNok and a covert ops cloak. It would be a lot harder than eve because it is FPS. People don't usually stand still. They are usually in a squad of heavy hitters that will be all over you once you take down their logi. IMHO, charging knives should break cloak. slashing should break cloak. Getting hit, or colliding with your target should break cloak. If the cloak, no matter it's incarnation, can't fulfill an assassination role like it does in eve, then I'll stick to being invisible in plain sight You gotta hustle if you wanna make a dolla
deepfried salad gilliam Sanguine Knights 365	Posted - 2013.12.31 19:18:00 - [109] - Quote JL3Eleven wrote: deepfried salad gilliam wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: ** cloaking. Yea I said it. It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? No because it's *** tactics. This is a war game remember? exactly, are you trying to prove my point? all is fair in war my friend that includes going invisible maybe after this will see more than just medium frames , well not actully see them cuz their invisi... you know what i mean they might actually effect things Proud Christian one of the most essential parts of eve is left out of dust: freedom, exploration, open-world gameplay.
Sole Fenychs Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 29	Posted - 2013.12.31 19:26:00 - [110] - Quote jerrmy12 kahoalii wrote: Sole Fenychs wrote: knight of 6 wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden crysis 2's multiplayer was so much better giving dedicated energy amounts to the different subsystems was a mistake. I played the **** out of that game. It was also slow as molasses because sprinting reset your energy regeneration and actively drained energy. I loved C3 because the pace of the game was more like an oldschool shooter. On that note, anyone who complains about cloaks being inherently imbalanced should play Crysis 3. Those are perfect - Enough shimmer to be killable by a good player, but invisible enough to actually work. thats why i see "cloaked" enemies from 20+m away, i stopped using that POS cloak a long time ago, unless sniping, if cloaks end up like that........ In Crysis 3 you fight at close ranges all the damn time. In DUST, the ranges are far bigger. It will be sufficient to shield you from random snipers and vehicles. And if it counters passive scanning, it would make sneaking up easy even in close quarters if the enemy is pre-occupied. Don't forget that the FOV in DUST is tiny. There's not enough peripheral vision to consistently counter cloak at close ranges.

el OPERATOR Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 5	Posted - 2013.12.31 20:25:00 - [111] - Quote I had a couple hundred hours on Metal Gear Online's "Team Sneak" game mode, which had one team be invisible. Completely invisible. I think for cloaking to work, or rather for AntiCloaking to work CCP needs to work actually on DUSTs sound effects, and environmental evidence. Currently, the sound effects are barely accurate, and rarely totally precise. If a weapon is fired behind you, its behind you. But its very unclear whether its behind you up high, down low or maybe from a hallway. There's none of the ambient environmental effects better shooters possess. Also, footsteps would need to kick up dust, should track dirt into clean areas, and physical character shadows should be much more accurate as we move. These sorts of fine tunings would tighten up gameplay enormously for everyone all around AND give AntiCloaking tactics a chance beyond todays ScanSpam514. Also, eliminating that red-smear-hit-indicator-bs would be CRITICAL to fighting the cloaked, I feel. It's overly invasive into the FOV, and a tuuuurible indicator of contact. That being said , Cloaks? Bring it. Open-Beta Vet. NPC Corp Independent Contractor. Drunk Night Tree Burner. This is my Main and Original.
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 50	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:05:00 - [112] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not CCP stated that scouts would get a fitting reduction and a reduced shimmer effect, which means by contrast non scouts would not have a fitting reduction and have a larger shimmer effect which then translates to cloaks not being limited to scouts. The recent Dev blog contains quite a bit of information if you haven't seen it yet, even speculation on changing of the scout bonus and new racial bonuses for the scout based on the wording of it. Which dev blog Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Akdhar Saif Intaki Liberation Front Intaki Prosperity Initiative 124	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:12:00 - [113] - Quote It should be a cloak that only makes you invisible to scanners (active and passive) making you invisible to radar. You can still be seen physically.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 416	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:12:00 - [114] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not CCP stated that scouts would get a fitting reduction and a reduced shimmer effect, which means by contrast non scouts would not have a fitting reduction and have a larger shimmer effect which then translates to cloaks not being limited to scouts. The recent Dev blog contains quite a bit of information if you haven't seen it yet, even speculation on changing of the scout bonus and new racial bonuses for the scout based on the wording of it. Which dev blog I think he is referring to the interview with CCP Remnant which can be found here.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 1054	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:13:00 - [115] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not CCP stated that scouts would get a fitting reduction and a reduced shimmer effect, which means by contrast non scouts would not have a fitting reduction and have a larger shimmer effect which then translates to cloaks not being limited to scouts. The recent Dev blog contains quite a bit of information if you haven't seen it yet, even speculation on changing of the scout bonus and new racial bonuses for the scout based on the wording of it. Which dev blog I thought that you had read the dev blog and disagreed. now I kind of understand a little bit why you weren't thinking it was a good idea.
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 50	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:15:00 - [116] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not CCP stated that scouts would get a fitting reduction and a reduced shimmer effect, which means by contrast non scouts would not have a fitting reduction and have a larger shimmer effect which then translates to cloaks not being limited to scouts. The recent Dev blog contains quite a bit of information if you haven't seen it yet, even speculation on changing of the scout bonus and new racial bonuses for the scout based on the wording of it. Which dev blog I think he is referring to the interview with CCP Remnant which can be found here. Thanks Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
J0hlss0n Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 72	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:28:00 - [117] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right I dont know if the cloak would be a good or bad idea for Dust.... maybe it would be a good thing for the scout suit to use, Id like to see different class/suits get more stuff or options that makes them unique... in the end though it all depends on what this "cloak" actually will be... ... what I do know is Id be terrefied of facing you in a scout suit, using a cloak. =)
Oswald Rehnquist 974	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:35:00 - [118] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Korvin Lomont wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not CCP stated that scouts would get a fitting reduction and a reduced shimmer effect, which means by contrast non scouts would not have a fitting reduction and have a larger shimmer effect which then translates to cloaks not being limited to scouts. The recent Dev blog contains quite a bit of information if you haven't seen it yet, even speculation on changing of the scout bonus and new racial bonuses for the scout based on the wording of it. Which dev blog I think he is referring to the interview with CCP Remnant which can be found here. Thanks Correct While cloaks to assaulting scouts (assault lites) and FOTM Chasers represent killing power, I actually see the cloak and the bit on "additional Scout specializations" as CCP finally fleshing out the non combat utility of scouts similar to how logis have diversity of offense and team support, I am hoping scouts get offense and hostile team debuffing abilities, similar to how Force Recons work in EVE Below 28 dB
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 50	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:38:00 - [119] - Quote low genius wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: The scout suit needs something and Im not agianst the cloaks, but in my opinion the just wouldnt be right for this game if it were exclusive for the scout or not CCP stated that scouts would get a fitting reduction and a reduced shimmer effect, which means by contrast non scouts would not have a fitting reduction and have a larger shimmer effect which then translates to cloaks not being limited to scouts. The recent Dev blog contains quite a bit of information if you haven't seen it yet, even speculation on changing of the scout bonus and new racial bonuses for the scout based on the wording of it. Which dev blog I thought that you had read the dev blog and disagreed. now I kind of understand a little bit why you weren't thinking it was a good idea. CCP Remnant says that there will be less shimmer as a racia bonus to the scout suits, this says to me that you can only be truely invisible when your standing still this will promote camping to me, Logi's are next to be able to somewhat fit the cloak since they have so much PG/CPU but it may still be hard. The only solution i see to stop te camping around corner with cloaks is making the cloak slowly less visible as you stand still, but other than I cant find any problems with it at the moment Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Bojo The Mighty Zanzibar Concept 2519	Posted - 2013.12.31 22:51:00 - [120] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'm not too hot on the cloak idea either but let the kids have a toy. Real scouts will use REs and Profile dampeners! RE are pretty pathetic, man. The fact that so many scouts use them admits defeat and shows how pathetic scouts are. RE is really a static analogue of a noob tube. I can not see any reason to buff the gallente scout. Your thoughts on the RE I will let you keep, but not everyone merely objective traps. I MUST use them to offset these damn tanks. You think of a better way to deal with tanks? Your Paper Tiger Launcher (Plasma Launcher) does not count. I think the cloak is unnecessary. I mean it's a scouts job to hide. Half of it is granted to them, the lower profile, the other half is up to the scout. It is the scouts duty to evade detection; there shouldn't be some equipment that just makes the scout easier. It is supposed to be a niche that attracts certain crowd. But a cloak? That's an object of mass appeal and will only crowd the role with people who are on par because they short-cut the scout's duty with a cloak. But that is my opinion, like my opinion that shotgun scouts are the noob tubes of scouts. My first serious shotgun scout attempt I went 23/4, in chromosome but whatever, I can't represent everyone. Scouts don't need a buff other than Minmatar skill rework and return chrome speeds + stamina. My opinion. Looking For: Corp If a scout runs out of all ammunition behind enemy lines, they did something right.

Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 51	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:02:00 - [121] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'm not too hot on the cloak idea either but let the kids have a toy. Real scouts will use REs and Profile dampeners! RE are pretty pathetic, man. The fact that so many scouts use them admits defeat and shows how pathetic scouts are. RE is really a static analogue of a noob tube. Defeat to what exactly. RE are a good way to hold an objective without being there. Is there anything wrong with that? Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 51	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:04:00 - [122] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: I'm not too hot on the cloak idea either but let the kids have a toy. Real scouts will use REs and Profile dampeners! RE are pretty pathetic, man. The fact that so many scouts use them admits defeat and shows how pathetic scouts are. RE is really a static analogue of a noob tube. I can not see any reason to buff the gallente scout. Your thoughts on the RE I will let you keep, but not everyone merely objective traps. I MUST use them to offset these damn tanks. You think of a better way to deal with tanks? Your Paper Tiger Launcher (Plasma Launcher) does not count. I think the cloak is unnecessary. I mean it's a scouts job to hide. Half of it is granted to them, the lower profile, the other half is up to the scout. It is the scouts duty to evade detection; there shouldn't be some equipment that just makes the scout easier. It is supposed to be a niche that attracts certain crowd. But a cloak? That's an object of mass appeal and will only crowd the role with people who are on par because they short-cut the scout's duty with a cloak. My opinion. Could've have said any it better Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2879	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:06:00 - [123] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: Defeat to what exactly. RE are a good way to hold an objective without being there. Is there anything wrong with that? This ^^^ Plus, the Scout can't place the RE anywhere you can't see. If you get blown up by the RE then you either need to work on your situational awareness, or you've been made the Scout's b!tch. I assume both. Besides, all he has to do is get a Duvolle Focused Scanner. It scans about 99% of scouts risk-free. I guess he's QQIng about being made a Scout's b!tch huh? ...
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2882	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:09:00 - [124] - Quote Maken Tosch wrote: JL3Eleven wrote: Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance. I don't care. It's a legit tactic. Deal with it. Then I guess it's time to put the 3 Complex Damage Mods back on my Logi suit huh? Guess I ought to remove that equipment from my Logi as well. May even take a Thale's with me to the redline. No problem at all. I'll just tell them to Deal With it. ...
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 52	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:12:00 - [125] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: Defeat to what exactly. RE are a good way to hold an objective without being there. Is there anything wrong with that? This ^^^ Plus, the Scout can't place the RE anywhere you can't see. If you get blown up by the RE then you either need to work on your situational awareness, or you've been made the Scout's b!tch. I assume both. Besides, all he has to do is get a Duvolle Focused Scanner. It scans about 99% of scouts risk-free. I guess he's QQIng about being made a Scout's b!tch huh? lo hes definitely been made some Scout's b!tch at some point Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2882	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:14:00 - [126] - Quote Fusion Commander wrote: lo hes definitely been made some Scout's b!tch at some point We all have at some point ...
Fusion Commander Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 52	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:16:00 - [127] - Quote Atiim wrote: Fusion Commander wrote: lo hes definitely been made some Scout's b!tch at some point We all have at some point Yeah bet hes butthurt about it Prey on the weak and you will survive, prey on the strong and you may live.
ALPHA DECRIPTER Dragon-Empire 659	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:18:00 - [128] - Quote Eh, idc either way. I see it as taking away my scanner/uplink as it is going to be placed in the equipment slot. Ghost wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... As I said, cloaks are equipment. Yes, you can still be scanned while invisible. logi bro wrote: I imagine it will have a significant shimmer effect, so that it is hard to see at range, but will be distinguishable at CQC. Yup. One racial scout will have this effect buffed so that it is even harder to notice them. Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Doesn't make sense to me either. We already have a cloaking device. It's called a scout dropsuit. CCP just needs to make that work like it should and problem solved. What use is the scout suit if everybody can disappear? Cloaks are going to cost so much CPU/PG that equipping it would require some real sacrifices. The profile reduction bonus on all scouts will be replaced with a CPU/PG reduction for cloaks in order to make them the only ones that can fit it without needing to make any major sacrifices. Well that's all the info I got for you guys on page 1 anyway Scout Tactician Dance puppets, DANCE!
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 2883	Posted - 2013.12.31 23:33:00 - [129] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: If we want to get into technicalities, despite us referring to it as such, the basic frame is not a scout suit so if it was scout only that wouldn't work. Smartass FTW! \o/ Well by title, yes you are correct. Stat wise far from. However, the Basic Frames have the exact same stats (bar the bonuses) as their Scout counterparts. Everything from CPU/PG to Slot Layouts are an exact replica. ...
One Eyed King Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic 111	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:05:00 - [130] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. You do realize the OP is one of the better scouts in the game, right? If I had, I wouldn't have made my comment. My apologies my scout brother. I am just used to seeing threads of scout tourists or Med frames telling us how scouts are fine, or how we just need to get gud etc. I just don't see how a well implemented cloak would be game breaking. I hate having to run the scenic route when red lined just so as I get to the farthest objective to maybe give my team a chance, a lucky AR user happens to see me flash by and take me out in one burst. If I have to be squishy, at least make me a stealthy squishy. Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.

Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2272	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:07:00 - [131] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden crysis 2's multiplayer was so much better giving dedicated energy amounts to the different subsystems was a mistake. I played the **** out of that game. I love crysis 2 mp but no one plays it anymore :( "Imagine a world where hypothetical thoughts didn't exist" -Draxus Prime Closed Beta Vet Scout/Logi/Dropship//Sniper
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 584	Posted - 2014.01.01 01:12:00 - [132] - Quote My superduper technology suit would be able to pick up cloacked players anyway by temperature vision or echoes,.... anyway.
ADAM-OF-EVE Dead Man's Game 705	Posted - 2014.01.01 16:26:00 - [133] - Quote mollerz wrote: ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: people thought the same with eve but it kind of worked out. i don't think cloaking in dust is going to be anything like what people think its going to be. i can see cloaking to hack or drop links/re etc but cloak to kill, i don't believe ccp are that stupid to implement it although they might do it for a while just to stir the hornets nest before toning it back You can do cloaked kills in eve. You tank a OHK fit, covert ops cloak, warp in and fly to the exact optimal range, uncloak, pop, warp, cloak. In Dust it would just be a minja with an IshNok and a covert ops cloak. It would be a lot harder than eve because it is FPS. People don't usually stand still. They are usually in a squad of heavy hitters that will be all over you once you take down their logi. IMHO, charging knives should break cloak. slashing should break cloak. Getting hit, or colliding with your target should break cloak. If the cloak, no matter it's incarnation, can't fulfill an assassination role like it does in eve, then I'll stick to being invisible in plain sight they should atleast keep most of the cloaking fundamentals they have with eve. if you pass too close to someone the cloak drops cannot use any equipment etc while cloaked they should also be like this maybe: covert cloak should be scout only and take up equipment slot but cpu /pg intensive so as to limit fitting potential (limits you to assasination) permanant on with long cooldown once decloaked. different versions hold different amounts of charges. once depleted it needs restocked at a resupply normal cloak should be low or high slot and limited to 1 only. this should be passive. if you stand still for 10 secs(5 with skills) you cloak. any movement or action will decloak you and the energy release will display you on any radar within 20m for 5 sec's(only if someone is in that range on decloak) cannot fit passive and active cloaks on the same suit so scouts have an assasin role and which leaves them weak to all attacks meaning the proper use of assasinating priority solo targets. and to keep with the "can fit anything to anything" ability ccp likes for dust then everyone can fit a less effective version which can be tactical yet leave you exposed if not used properly. https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=99075&find
Scheneighnay McBob Bojo's School of the Trades 3368	Posted - 2014.01.01 23:01:00 - [134] - Quote Ghosts Chance wrote: invisability in games breaks things. you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it. cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place.... and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable.... You know cloaks will be equipment, right? And will definitely have a long cooldown And, like in Halo, you'll be semi-visible while moving. Seems balanced to me. We used to have a time machine
pseudosnipre 431	Posted - 2014.01.02 19:43:00 - [135] - Quote RKKR wrote: My superduper technology suit would be able to pick up cloacked players anyway by temperature vision or echoes,.... anyway. IR overlay is not futuristic and emitting source EM or lolaudio would make you hugely exposed. Its already stupid that the active scanner doesnt light up operators like a whorehouse, no need to compound it with references to b-movie sci-fi "hi-tech". Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 712	Posted - 2014.01.02 19:54:00 - [136] - Quote I agree if they added cloaking ability for just Scouts, it would be the new FOTM. So perhaps they need to add special abilities for all the classes?? a la Borderlands 2 for example? Heavies could get a turtle mode (reduced movement speed, but -50% damage for 10-15-20 seconds (std,adv,pro) w/ 60 sec cooldown) akin to a shield/armor hardener) Logis would get some fun healing ability, maybe a deployable supply depot that heals armor, shields, ammo, and provides a temporary stationary shield bubble that absorbs 1,000 damage before depleted.. friendlies can shoot through it, but enemies cannot. Assaults would get a berserker mode, maybe increased speed and damage, or dual weapons.... and they glow red nice and bright and show up on the map as a brighter red blip for a short while.
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 216	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:35:00 - [137] - Quote Hoping more camo than cloak. Remember the spy in TF2, you stick out more with cloak than camo. 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
PARKOUR PRACTIONER Redline Defense Force Seekers of the Unseen 216	Posted - 2014.01.02 20:36:00 - [138] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: I agree if they added cloaking ability for just Scouts, it would be the new FOTM. So perhaps they need to add special abilities for all the classes?? a la Borderlands 2 for example? Heavies could get a turtle mode (reduced movement speed, but -50% damage for 10-15-20 seconds (std,adv,pro) w/ 60 sec cooldown) akin to a shield/armor hardener) Logis would get some fun healing ability, maybe a deployable supply depot that heals armor, shields, ammo, and provides a temporary stationary shield bubble that absorbs 1,000 damage before depleted.. friendlies can shoot through it, but enemies cannot. Assaults would get a berserker mode, maybe increased speed and damage, or dual weapons.... and they glow red nice and bright and show up on the map as a brighter red blip for a short while. Every class should dual weild, some [scouts] easier than others. 'Don't talk to stranger, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT I will never stop killing you. Dropship Pilot/Ninja/Sniper
pseudosnipre 431	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:15:00 - [139] - Quote ER-Bullitt wrote: I agree if they added cloaking ability for just Scouts, it would be the new FOTM. So perhaps they need to add special abilities for all the classes?? a la Borderlands 2 for example? Heavies could get a turtle mode (reduced movement speed, but -50% damage for 10-15-20 seconds (std,adv,pro) w/ 60 sec cooldown) akin to a shield/armor hardener) Logis would get some fun healing ability, maybe a deployable supply depot that heals armor, shields, ammo, and provides a temporary stationary shield bubble that absorbs 1,000 damage before depleted.. friendlies can shoot through it, but enemies cannot. Assaults would get a berserker mode, maybe increased speed and damage, or dual weapons.... and they glow red nice and bright and show up on the map as a brighter red blip for a short while. lol @ turtle mode and invincibility star "berserker". Moustaches for everyone! And everyone should spawn above a sewer pipe and redlining ends in victory if you can jump on the enemies flagpole and lower their flag. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Dheez STRONG-ARMED BANDITS Public Disorder. 11	Posted - 2014.01.02 21:54:00 - [140] - Quote RuckingFetard wrote: Knight Soiaire wrote: Wait, if I activate my cloak, then get into my LAV, does that mean I can trick people into thinking I'm a ghost LAV? No no no you're wrong. There'll be an entire bug that'll turn the LAV itself invisible I'm guessing this is where he leaves his invisible LAV to hack, turns around, can't find LAV, and screams on team chat... 'WTF!! who took my LAV!'.



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