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Rusty Shallows
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:33:00 -
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Seymor Krelborn wrote:cloaks would work as long as only scouts can use them, they have at least a 60 second cool down and at most an 8 second active duration, and either an extremely high pg/cpu requirement or a high ehp reduction. Only if Sentinels get the same with the deplorable shield.
Scouts do need more buffs btw.
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Mac Dac
Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:43:00 -
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assuming that CCP doesn't make cloaks impervious to active scanners, I would get a proto scanner and light up ,literary, all those FOTM chasers who decided to waste their cpu on damge mods rather then dampners.
so i hope cloak comes and i hope CCP doesn't make them undetectable by scanners because no matter what it is a scout suit aka being nude on the battlefield.
psst! Cloaks on a scout won't save them from the wrath of the logi. All of what the scout is will be assimilated to the logi. Join us or perish. resistance is futile.
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zDemoncake
Horizons' Edge
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:49:00 -
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Shotgun scouts would be a scary thing, I remember camping doorways with the Rossmore in Resistance 2 with the cloaking ability.
I would be interested in seeing how cloaks turn out to be if implemented. I can already be blindsided already if I'm not aware, but if random shots fired get hitmarkers, or a tossed grenade gets me a +50, I will have a grin on my face.
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knight of 6
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.31 04:55:00 -
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Draxus Prime wrote:Ive been training by playing crysis 3 and the hidden crysis 2's multiplayer was so much better giving dedicated energy amounts to the different subsystems was a mistake. I played the **** out of that game.
"God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon
Ko6, scout, tanker.
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lee corwood
Knights Of Ender Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:00:00 -
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Toby Flenderson wrote:One of my favorite parts about running scout is that it is both challenging and rewarding. Cloaks will take away the challenge and will probably change the way the scout suit functions entirely. I'm probably just going to stop playing if/when this actually comes out. I'm not about to deal with the wave of FOTM spam that will result from cloaks. The scout suit is fine. Just get better at using itGǪ without needing to be invisible.
I can't even type that without cringing. People are demanding to be invisible in a FPS because they're not good enough to play a stealth role without it. The OP is not alone in thinking this is ridiculous.
I agree with this sentiment, just like I agree that slayer logis shouldn't exist. I'm a logisis and I love it. Be a better assault and leggo my suit. But on that same token, I believe scouts should beat one level tier better than the scanner. (ie, lvl 1 dampener + level 1 scout suit should beat a level 1 scanner). I shouldn't have a super xray machine that fills one pocket on my suit that beats most everything a scout can throw at it without an extreme sp investment compared to my minimal one. They're scouts for a reason. Let me them be stealthy and remind people to use their eyes again.
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Taurion Bruni
D3M3NT3D M1NDZ The Umbra Combine
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:01:00 -
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perhaps the cloak will lower your profile a tiny bit, and if you are scanned, your cloak deactivates, and a cooldown time is engaged until it can be used again.
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:04:00 -
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**** cloaking. Yea I said it.
It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for.
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CommanderBolt
ACME SPECIAL FORCES
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:21:00 -
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Why the hell is everyone already bitching about cloaking before it is even out?
Is it because you worry CCP will make it into a broken mechanic? Or do you just hate cloaking? It will come, cloaking exists heavily in EVE. This game will have it too I would suspect. Explain yourselves! |

KA24DERT
TeamPlayers Negative-Feedback
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:34:00 -
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I think a stealth suit would be fine.
Cloak can only be fitted to stealth suit.
Stealth suit has Side-arm and 2 Equipment only (flux nades are debatable).
Cloak disables when using sidearm, slight cloak shimmer when using equipment and moving at any speed faster than a crawl.
Cloak should have no effect on scan profile, but you can use dampeners as usual.
I think it'll enable some interesting play styles. |

deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:39:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:**** cloaking. Yea I said it.
It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle?
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Borne Velvalor
Endless Hatred
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:39:00 -
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Killzone 3 has cloaking. I always use it. Tactic? Sit on a rock firing silenced rounds at people going by. 
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Timtron Victory
Tech Guard RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:41:00 -
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I dont think there is a need for cloaking. Just make it so that suits can in front of you or any direction you are facing. Having eyes behind the back of your head is ridiculous thats why I am enjoying Uncharted 3 online. Knives are useless because everyone has eyes behind the back of their heads |

Matticus Monk
Ordus Trismegistus
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:45:00 -
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I'm very nervous about cloaks.
I'd rather CCP just tune up the other scout attributes a tad bit and leave cloaks out of the game.... |

Shiruba Ryou
Molon Labe. Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:48:00 -
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I don't really understand scouts saying they're getting **** on all the time. If you are then you're not doing it right. I can't tell you how many times I've been taken out by a scout who played to the strengths of the suit they were wearing. You know. Like a smart person. I also can't tell you how many times I've swatted an idiot scout out of my way because they ran right at me full force across some open area expecting to somehow Neo through my AR spray.
You guys are a paper-thin, speedy, small, suit type. Do what you can do or do what you can't and I'll keep killing you. I'm a medium gallente user. I stack as much armor as possible and as many damage mods as possible because I believe in the Gallente Mantra of Warfare: Get in close and shove as much plasma as possible into the enemy until they die and hope my armor holds out until then. I don't try and fight people 60m+ away fom be with a ar thinking I'll win. I don't fight in wide open spaces because I know I'm not fast enough to find cover in time. I don't turn a corner, see a heavy, and stay... ok I do. But 3 complex damage mods on a Duvolle Breach AR kinda makes me toss the dice on that one.
My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that **** happened.....
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:50:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:invisability in games breaks things.
you think balance is hard now? wait for a clusterfuck if they ever implement it.
cloaks cannot be balanced easily, and CCPs track record means they will either enter as useless things, or extremly overpowered... and it will take months to fix, yout hink tank514 is bad? everyone and their uncle will be slapping these things on scouts and the battlefield will not be a pretty place....
and if you can scan the invisable scouts then you will have nothing but scouts with scanners running around trying to scan and shoot each other while invisable....
Do you really think they can't make it all balanced? Cloaks have a % cloaked (higher = better effect, lower = more visual effects that make it more noticeable) Some have higher time cloaked while some have lower for less or more cloaked effect respectively. Cannot hack/shoot/deploy equipment or otherwise manipulate anything or it'll cancel the cloak. After the cloak is manually canceled or stopped it goes into a cooldown similar to the active scanner.
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RuckingFetard
Better Hide R Die
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Posted - 2013.12.31 05:51:00 -
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Knight Soiaire wrote:Wait, if I activate my cloak, then get into my LAV, does that mean I can trick people into thinking I'm a ghost LAV? No no no you're wrong. There'll be an entire bug that'll turn the LAV itself invisible
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Krom Ganesh
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:06:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:I'm very nervous about cloaks.
I'd rather CCP just tune up the other scout attributes a tad bit and leave cloaks out of the game....
I'm nervous about it as well, but not about whether it will be OP or not. As much as people fear it will be OP, I don't see it being that powerful. We already have a low FOV and if you are playing intelligently, it is easy enough to avoid visual detection.
I'm more concerned that CCP is going to make the entire scout class revolve around the use of the cloak, which would be horrendous.
However, I still want cloaking to be in the game. It is another tool that can have its uses if implemented correctly.
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:08:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:**** cloaking. Yea I said it.
It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle?
No because it's ***** tactics. This is a war game remember?
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calisk galern
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:11:00 -
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would be alot easier to get RE's on tanks if you were invisible |

Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:14:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:deepfried salad gilliam wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:**** cloaking. Yea I said it.
It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? No because it's ***** tactics. This is a war game remember?
And in every war, every tactic is a legit tactic regardless of how lame the tactics are. Why? Because it's war. All is fair in war.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:22:00 -
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I just can't believe you people. I mean there is nothing wrong with cloaks in the game and cloaks don't really break anything.
In Halo, you have the cloak, but there are counters to that cloak.
According to CCP, as they have repeatedly pointed out, cloaks in Dust will have counters to it as well.
1. Active scanners will still light up the cloaked user if the user's profile is not low enough. 2. The cloaks will have a cooldown if they go with the same cloak mechanics as in Eve Online. 3. Scouts will be the only ones to be able to fit it without being gimped since scouts will be the only ones with a bonus to the reduction of CPU/PG usage of the cloak along with other perks that no other suits will have.
It's simple. I just don't see any problem with cloaks. I don't care what you say at this point. I just don't see any problems with it.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Mobius Wyvern
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:24:00 -
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Fusion Commander wrote:Been hearing alot about them. The whole idea of having cloaks in Dust whatsoever doesnt seems right Yep, you're the only one.
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:28:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:deepfried salad gilliam wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:**** cloaking. Yea I said it.
It's more carebear514 that scrubs are looking for. cuz its not a duvoll plasma rifle? No because it's ***** tactics. This is a war game remember? And in every war, every tactic is a legit tactic regardless of how lame the tactics are. Why? Because it's war. All is fair in war.
Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance.
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:29:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance.
I don't care. It's a legit tactic. Deal with it.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Mitch Laurence
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:30:00 -
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Quafe Scout + Cloak = Purple Haze
And am I the only one who wants to salvage from the dead?
We also need more Tackle.
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JL3Eleven
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:46:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance. I don't care. It's a legit tactic. Deal with it.
Yes I'm sure you need all the crutches you can get. 
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THUNDERGROOVE
ZionTCD Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:50:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote: 1. Active scanners will still light up the cloaked user if the user's profile is not low enough.
I really have a problem with this part. I feel that cloaks could easily be a way to combat scanners. With one needing such a massive amount of SP and wasted slots to fight against something that has such a minimal SP investment in comparison it makes no sense. A proto scout should be able to evade an advanced scanner with no dampening skills at all and no slots used on dampeners. And guess what? I main a logi suit with a scanner on every fit and a rifle with damage mod(s) It's seriously a damn wallhack and the only reason I still use the damn thing is that I'm so used to it and the edge it gives me. I can pretty much scan anything with my A-45. Hell some people probably know that if I'm on the other side, you'll be seeing "You have been scanned" Over and over and over again.
tl;dr Cloaks are cool nerf scanners
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.31 06:53:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:Maken Tosch wrote:JL3Eleven wrote:Please don't make vagina tactics legit war game material. Yes you can do it but it hurts the overall gameplay take tanks for instance. I don't care. It's a legit tactic. Deal with it. Yes I'm sure you need all the crutches you can get. 
I don't understand your problem here. The whole "crutch" thing is getting old to the point that the word doesn't even have the same impact it had a long time ago.
Tac ARs? Crutch. HAVs? Crutch. LAVs? Crutch. Thale Snipers? Crutch. Forge Guns? Crutch.
Anything and everything that can kill someone has now been labeled a crutch. Seriously, grow up and adapt. If you don't want to adapt, then get ready to die in your clone body.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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Maken Tosch
DUST University Ivy League
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Posted - 2013.12.31 07:02:00 -
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You know what's funny? The cloak hasn't even been implemented yet and we don't know the whole stats on the damn thing and people here are already acting like it's OP or something. You people are just hilarious.
I guess I should at least be thankful that the people here in Dust are nothing like the CoD players who threatened one of the Devs with **** and murder when their rifle got rebalanced. No seriously, that actually did happen. It's sad. It was on Twitter.
OK, CCP. When are knives finally going to be improved?
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One Eyed King
Eyniletti Rangers Minmatar Republic
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Posted - 2013.12.31 07:04:00 -
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Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet.
Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it.
Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir.
Nova knifing scout masochist. I would be a sadist, but CCP won't let me.
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