DUST Search - I'm not the only one that thinks cloaks in Dust are Ridiculous , Right?

Shutter Fly wrote:

One Eyed King wrote:

Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet.

Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it.

Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir.

Fusion is a Scout, and I don't think he is even has SP in ARs, or any weapons other than shotguns, SMGs, and explosives. If he does, I've never seen him use anything else.

That being said...

Shiruba Ryou wrote:

I don't really understand scouts saying they're getting **** on all the time. If you are then you're not doing it right. I can't tell you how many times I've been taken out by a scout who played to the strengths of the suit they were wearing. You know. Like a smart person. I also can't tell you how many times I've swatted an idiot scout out of my way because they ran right at me full force across some open area expecting to somehow Neo through my AR spray.

You guys are a paper-thin, speedy, small, suit type. Do what you can do or do what you can't and I'll keep killing you. I'm a medium gallente user. I stack as much armor as possible and as many damage mods as possible because I believe in the Gallente Mantra of Warfare: Get in close and shove as much plasma as possible into the enemy until they die and hope my armor holds out until then. I don't try and fight people 60m+ away from me with a ar thinking I'll win. I don't fight in wide open spaces because I know I'm not fast enough to find cover in time. I don't turn a corner, see a heavy, and stay... ok I do. But 3 complex damage mods on a CreoDron Breach AR kinda makes me toss the dice on that one.

My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that **** happened.....

Just because Fusion makes it work doesn't make it proof that the Scout is balanced in any way. Fusion is one of the best Scouts in Dust, enough so that he is a special case. He runs full Proto in every game, almost always runs in a very capable full squad, and plays in a fashion that maximizes his volume of kills.

The scout is objectively inferior to medium frame dropsuits. Nobody can get those kind of kills with a scout without full Proto and an ideal squad, while a Logi or Assault can do it much more consistently with a lot less.

The Scout needs something, I don't really care whether or not it's a cloak, but I don't think it's a bad idea. All it needs to be is a quick equipment based way to get across open ground undetected or flank a group of enemies without being sniped or seen from a distance. It wouldn't be a problem to limit to scouts if they had a 100-300 CPU cost, and scouts had a ~90% CPU reduction. Meaning it would be possible to fit on other suits, but not beneficial. A moderate movement shimmer would prevent it from being used for CQC, while still being effective for preventing long range visual detection while flanking or hiding while a group of enemies pass by.

Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fucking fruit salad.


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Shiruba Ryou Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 77	Posted - 2013.12.31 05:48:00 - [1] - Quote I don't really understand scouts saying they're getting ** on all the time. If you are then you're not doing it right. I can't tell you how many times I've been taken out by a scout who played to the strengths of the suit they were wearing. You know. Like a smart person. I also can't tell you how many times I've swatted an idiot scout out of my way because they ran right at me full force across some open area expecting to somehow Neo through my AR spray. You guys are a paper-thin, speedy, small, suit type. Do what you can do or do what you can't and I'll keep killing you. I'm a medium gallente user. I stack as much armor as possible and as many damage mods as possible because I believe in the Gallente Mantra of Warfare: Get in close and shove as much plasma as possible into the enemy until they die and hope my armor holds out until then. I don't try and fight people 60m+ away fom be with a ar thinking I'll win. I don't fight in wide open spaces because I know I'm not fast enough to find cover in time. I don't turn a corner, see a heavy, and stay... ok I do. But 3 complex damage mods on a Duvolle Breach AR kinda makes me toss the dice on that one. My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that ** happened..... Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fucking fruit salad.
Shiruba Ryou Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 77	Posted - 2013.12.31 12:31:00 - [2] - Quote Shutter Fly wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Wow. QQing something that hasn't even happened yet. Congrats OP, you have reached a new low on the GD forum. I didn't think it could be done, but you have done it. Now go back to using your perfectly balanced and not at all broken AR and run straight at people killing them in fractions of seconds. Thats not broken at all. No sir. Fusion is a Scout, and I don't think he is even has SP in ARs, or any weapons other than shotguns, SMGs, and explosives. If he does, I've never seen him use anything else. That being said... Shiruba Ryou wrote: I don't really understand scouts saying they're getting ** on all the time. If you are then you're not doing it right. I can't tell you how many times I've been taken out by a scout who played to the strengths of the suit they were wearing. You know. Like a smart person. I also can't tell you how many times I've swatted an idiot scout out of my way because they ran right at me full force across some open area expecting to somehow Neo through my AR spray. You guys are a paper-thin, speedy, small, suit type. Do what you can do or do what you can't and I'll keep killing you. I'm a medium gallente user. I stack as much armor as possible and as many damage mods as possible because I believe in the Gallente Mantra of Warfare: Get in close and shove as much plasma as possible into the enemy until they die and hope my armor holds out until then. I don't try and fight people 60m+ away from me with a ar thinking I'll win. I don't fight in wide open spaces because I know I'm not fast enough to find cover in time. I don't turn a corner, see a heavy, and stay... ok I do. But 3 complex damage mods on a CreoDron Breach AR kinda makes me toss the dice on that one. My point is, suit doesn't need to be adjusted just because most of you play like idiots. Send a message to Fusion and ask for some tips instead. He's by far one of the best shotgun scouts I've ever seen. 58/3. Still trying to figure out how that happened..... Just because Fusion makes it work doesn't make it proof that the Scout is balanced in any way. Fusion is one of the best Scouts in Dust, enough so that he is a special case. He runs full Proto in every game, almost always runs in a very capable full squad, and plays in a fashion that maximizes his volume of kills. The scout is objectively inferior to medium frame dropsuits. Nobody can get those kind of kills with a scout without full Proto and an ideal squad, while a Logi or Assault can do it much more consistently with a lot less. The Scout needs something, I don't really care whether or not it's a cloak, but I don't think it's a bad idea. All it needs to be is a quick equipment based way to get across open ground undetected or flank a group of enemies without being sniped or seen from a distance. It wouldn't be a problem to limit to scouts if they had a 100-300 CPU cost, and scouts had a ~90% CPU reduction. Meaning it would be possible to fit on other suits, but not beneficial. A moderate movement shimmer would prevent it from being used for CQC, while still being effective for preventing long range visual detection while flanking or hiding while a group of enemies pass by. I don't disagree with the addition of the cloak. It's an equipment. I also don't have an issue with the scout suit being re-balanced to accommodate it. My post was directed at the months of crying by scouts since Uprising 1....3? when hit detection was fixed. (Can't remember when exactly that was fixed.) Before then scouts were ballzy as hell. They'd run straight at you and you were lucky if enough bullets hit them before they shot gunned you in the face. Since then they couldn't do that anymore and yet they never adapted and changed their play style to accommodate they're suit. Again, speaking about the majority. I fully support CCP doing their slow additions to DUST to bring it closer to what THEY envision this game to play like. It's the constant flood of btchy threads from people that do the same ** over and over and over again without any thought to re-balance THEMSELVES that pisses me off. We're talking about a game thats part of the same universe and principles of EVE Online. If you put yourself in a fight that you clearly are disadvantaged in, use your ship/modules in ways that your crap doesn't work, or basically ignore what you can and cannot do with what you have: you die. As you should. With that said, I'll clarify that I of course don't count this thread as one of those. All fusion did was ask about the validity of the equipment addition to the game environment. However, the posts in it are mostly the same crap. Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit. Wisdom is not putting it in a fucking fruit salad.