Because having situational awareness and not driving straight into infantry was so hard.

Also: Active Scanners

I get out and hack. In fact, I hack far more points than most infantry. In a close match, I often have 4-6 hacks. I get out, hack, place uplinks, etcetera. Once you clear out the enemy, the goal is to prevent them from getting through the gates. If 1.8 brings an infantry respec I'm speccing right into Minmatar Logistics for the hacking speed bonus and using it with Code Breakers.

One match against Molon we were being completely dominated because no one was hacking. I drove around the back, placed uplinks, hacked a point, flipped the points C -> D -> C as they defended their frontline until it took. We held it and, although we lost, we were damn close to winning for most of the match. 20/3, 3000 WP. That means I got 2000 WP from hacks, spawns and installation/tank destruction, of which there were few.

If I have tank superiority, I will almost assuredly win. It's a very rare match where our team is the only one with tanks/many more tanks and we lose. I won 12 matches in a row stomping with Nyain San in Skirmish and Ambush. Tank spam is extremely difficult to beat once it reached high levels; moreso than any other role combination. Tanks are a role, just like any other. Can I deploy 6 Scouts that kill tanks, infantry at any range, regenerate in seconds and are immune to 95% of infantry weaponry? No, that'd be unfair, because whoever had more Scouts would win. It's not even about tactics; it's about choosing to simply squad with tankers instead of infantry. "Skirmish, Tankers Only" will fill with pilots and then you'll win 80% of matches with little communication until you meet another tank squad, even in militia tanks.

Can you lose with tank superiority? Yes, you can. Usually it's simply because the enemy is vastly superior or the map is one of the few which favors infantry. I cannot remember the last time I've squadded with several good tankers (not Sicas) and lost a match and that's what I've been doing for most of the week while grinding ISK.

Because having situational awareness and not driving straight into infantry was so hard.

Also: Active Scanners

Because shooting swarms out to 400m while remaining impossible to hit and invisible was so hard.

Just thought of something that was taught to me in collage. People dont know the difference between fair and equal.

Fair is the person that is using armor needs to be taken down using group tactics regardless of if they only have one seat in the vehicle. 1x > 1y

Equal is the person using armor gets 3 shot by a person solo while in their tank... 1 = 1

Analysis: 1.6 was equal, 1.7 is fair. Armor support is armor and infantry is infantry. I lost a grand total of two tanks today both to another rail tank that happened to be running dual hardeners. I personally dont run dual hardeners but it seems that antitank platforms do. Honestly, its a viable tactic but I feel that stacking penalties should be fairly heavy for something that starts at 60% reduction to damage to said hp type.


If this actually helps anyone with anything I'll be amazed but Ive always said that a tank shouldnt be able to be soloed by any type of infantry short of sabotage (IE. re users.)

The majority of people want equal, not fair.

The problem is that ANYONE can go 20/2 in a tank. I doubt CCP intended some ppl to play DUST in godmode.

I can stand on my nanohive and spam AV grenades at a stationary tank until my hive gets depleted and the tank will still have full armor and a bit of shields left. (I just did it yesterday)

AV nades are not a viable option against tanks, anyone who says otherwise either hasn't used them post 1.7 or is lying.

I seriously don't get it. You cat get a 70k militia tank and have a 20/2 game pretty consistently. AV is can't stop you because you are fast enough and can run away once AV starts doing damage. Or you would not even have to because you have 3 other tanks rolling with you that will wipe the floor with anything and everything. Also that AV guy who spawned in a 50k suit is gonna lose it in the next 40 seconds to your blue dots regardles. You will roll your tank back in and rinse and repeat. This is the scenario that happens 100% of the time.

When you say that tanks are balanced do you mean they are balanced against themselves (i.e. other tanks)? Or you are just trolling? Or you have complete disconnect with reality? Or you never played this game? Or you are in Niyan San and just used to pubstomping in ambush that you don't notice the difference anymore? Which one is it?

Oh wait.... Maybe you are referring to that one game out of 50 where there was an AV squad and they destroyed 2 of your tanks while losing the game because their team was stretched too thin and could not support bleeding players to AV role - it takes 3 AV ppl to maybe and if they are lucky take out one tank.

Then why are player counts LOWER??

Tanks are fine??

Waits for April just to see what the fanboys are going to post....LOL!!

Just waiting for the fanboy meltdown threads as player counts drop.

lol

Trying to blame tanks for lower player counts

Pull your head out of your arse

I seriously don't get it. You cat get a 70k militia tank and have a 20/2 game pretty consistently. AV is can't stop you because you are fast enough and can run away once AV starts doing damage. Or you would not even have to because you have 3 other tanks rolling with you that will wipe the floor with anything and everything. Also that AV guy who spawned in a 50k suit is gonna lose it in the next 40 seconds to your blue dots regardles. You will roll your tank back in and rinse and repeat. This is the scenario that happens 100% of the time.

When you say that tanks are balanced do you mean they are balanced against themselves (i.e. other tanks)? Or you are just trolling? Or you have complete disconnect with reality? Or you never played this game? Or you are in Niyan San and just used to pubstomping in ambush that you don't notice the difference anymore? Which one is it?

Oh wait.... Maybe you are referring to that one game out of 50 where there was an AV squad and they destroyed 2 of your tanks while losing the game because their team was stretched too thin and could not support bleeding players to AV role - it takes 3 AV ppl to maybe and if they are lucky take out one tank.

Me and my bro stopped playing this game 3 weeks ago solely because of Tank Spam .. and we aren't the only ones .. I ditched 12 months of playing this game because of OP Tanks and I wont be back unless something is done to break them ad make this call of duty 514 again