I seriously don't get it. You cat get a 70k militia tank and have a 20/2 game pretty consistently. AV is can't stop you because you are fast enough and can run away once AV starts doing damage. Or you would not even have to because you have 3 other tanks rolling with you that will wipe the floor with anything and everything. Also that AV guy who spawned in a 50k suit is gonna lose it in the next 40 seconds to your blue dots regardles. You will roll your tank back in and rinse and repeat. This is the scenario that happens 100% of the time.

When you say that tanks are balanced do you mean they are balanced against themselves (i.e. other tanks)? Or you are just trolling? Or you have complete disconnect with reality? Or you never played this game? Or you are in Niyan San and just used to pubstomping in ambush that you don't notice the difference anymore? Which one is it?

Oh wait.... Maybe you are referring to that one game out of 50 where there was an AV squad and they destroyed 2 of your tanks while losing the game because their team was stretched too thin and could not support bleeding players to AV role - it takes 3 AV ppl to maybe and if they are lucky take out one tank.

I seriously don't get it. You cat get a 70k militia tank and have a 20/2 game pretty consistently. AV is can't stop you because you are fast enough and can run away once AV starts doing damage. Or you would not even have to because you have 3 other tanks rolling with you that will wipe the floor with anything and everything. Also that AV guy who spawned in a 50k suit is gonna lose it in the next 40 seconds to your blue dots regardles. You will roll your tank back in and rinse and repeat. This is the scenario that happens 100% of the time.

When you say that tanks are balanced do you mean they are balanced against themselves (i.e. other tanks)? Or you are just trolling? Or you have complete disconnect with reality? Or you never played this game? Or you are in Niyan San and just used to pubstomping in ambush that you don't notice the difference anymore? Which one is it?

Oh wait.... Maybe you are referring to that one game out of 50 where there was an AV squad and they destroyed 2 of your tanks while losing the game because their team was stretched too thin and could not support bleeding players to AV role - it takes 3 AV ppl to maybe and if they are lucky take out one tank.

Tanks are fine

it takes 3 AV ppl to maybe and if they are lucky take out one tank.

question.... do you equip AV granades on all your suits?

I can stand on my nanohive and spam AV grenades at a stationary tank until my hive gets depleted and the tank will still have full armor and a bit of shields left. (I just did it yesterday)

AV nades are not a viable option against tanks, anyone who says otherwise either hasn't used them post 1.7 or is lying.

AV does stop you though.

It just doesn't kill you.

There is a difference you need to learn to respect.

Anyone who thinks that a homing grenade should be a primary AV weapon is a scrub.

Using them as a supplement to your primary AV weapon is still a functional way to use them. And it works.

Thinking that you deserved a anti infantry primary weapon AND a vehicle killer in the same suit with nuclear baseballs is not balance in any way, unless you want everything in a medium frame suit, which is the infantry motto I suppose.

I was grinding ISK on my 1.6m SP alt today. 100k SP into tanks. I used a Soma in an otherwise pretty equal Skirmish. I went 39/3 with 3000 WP, popped several enemy tanks and they had a full squad of AV that couldn't do jack all. I just went in circles, popping everything and everyone.

That was a pretty good game for me, I'll admit. Still, I feel they are very much OP at the moment. When was the last time I went 39/3 with 3000 WP in a militia suit? Not any time within recent memory. There's a real risk when I engage someone that I will get killed. In my tank with it's shiny instant death near unlimited range Blaster, there is no risk in a good tank, unless another STD tank tries to pop me. With militia tanks, I need to worry about Forge Guns and several Swarm Launchers at once hitting me at once. Other than that, as long as I do a few circles I'm golden. Don't even get me started on Ambush where I consistently get 20+ kills with no deaths in 50 clone matches unless the enemy stomps my tank with another tank.

EDIT: First death was to a Rail Gun installation, unmanned, that popped me right at the start. I killed it. 2nd was because the supply depot glitched and wouldn't give me ammo, got stuck on a concrete barrier as I was circling around it praying for it to unglitch. 3rd was on the ground at the end when I stopped tanking after that.

Anyone who thinks that a homing grenade should be a primary AV weapon is a scrub.

Using them as a supplement to your primary AV weapon is still a functional way to use them. And it works.

Thinking that you deserved a anti infantry primary weapon AND a vehicle killer in the same suit with nuclear baseballs is not balance in any way, unless you want everything in a medium frame suit, which is the infantry motto I suppose.

Anyone who thinks that a homing grenade should be a primary AV weapon is a scrub.

Using them as a supplement to your primary AV weapon is still a functional way to use them. And it works.

Thinking that you deserved a anti infantry primary weapon AND a vehicle killer in the same suit with nuclear baseballs is not balance in any way, unless you want everything in a medium frame suit, which is the infantry motto I suppose.

Exactly right they are about as effective as a sidearm and people should stop advocating their use in 1.7.
AV nades are completely useless against tanks period.

the tanker motto isn't much different...

tankers want a death machine that takes half a team to kill and costs less than one of those attackers fits....

I find it so funny when tankers expect exactly what they knock AVers for requesting....

Why the hyperbole? I advocate using AV nades on every AV fit you create, because they add substantially to your total damage output.

They are not a primary AV weapon, but they are greatly effective as a supplement.

Example:

Call in a LAV, grab a forge fit with AV nades.

Drive to the tank, bail, sending the LAV into the tank. Proceed to throw two or three nades, depending on if the tank has actually started to target you.

Proceed to destroy the vehicle with the Forge gun.

Before 1.7 dropped, it was extremely easy for anyone with AV nades to be a super tank destroyer, especially in pairs. Stopping that type of mechanic was an improvement in the vehicle - anti vehicle fight balance.

This is not to say that other things don't need to be adjusted, because they do, but AV nades are not one of them. They actually function very well as supplemental AV.

What'd you just call me? lol j/k. But seriously I'm not exaggerating. While AV nade spam used to be a viable tactic for dealing with tanks it simply is not now. To be clear I don't mean just those 3 nades in your inventory, I mean literally standing on a hive and throwing out 6-7 in sequence.
I thought we were on the same page but we're not. Sure in your example, when combined with a myriad of weapons, equipment, vehicles and precise tactics AV nades can make a difference. But the reality of accomplishing a feat like you described on a routine basis is simply unrealistic.
AV grenades are supposed to be an effective weapon to use against vehicles, just like locus grenades are supposed to be an effective weapon against infantry. The truth is that AV grenades are not an effective weapon against most tanks and even some dropships now. That needs to change.

Yes, like it's supposed to be.

Because those days where ONE measly infantry-guy could take out a tank completely on his own was just plain ridiculous.

Obviously you feel differently, and I would be curious to hear why you think that it makes for good game balance for someone to be able to carry an AR and a vehicle killing grenade.

Do I think tanks should be weak? No
Do I think tanks should have weaknesses? Yes
Do I think that there should be a direct correlation between a tank's weakness and AV weapons in general? Yes

Do I think that 3 AV nades should blow up a tank? No, but what about 9? How about 15?

The balance is that after you blow all your ammo hives on nades and run out of primary ammo you're rendered useless until you find someone else's hive or run to a supply depot. The imbalance is that even if you did land all 9 nades the tank isn't even damaged enough to justify the use AV nades. At a minimum AV nades should be a deterrent, currently they are not.

I don't think you understand that there are two very different dynamics that need to be accounted for.

The first is the viability of any given tank fit versus infantry, and the second is the viability of that same fit versus other tanks.

A tank can be good at one, but only by trading away effectiveness at the other. Tankers are very much forced to decide when they call out their tank what they want to be. They can either be very good at killing infantry, or very good at killing vehicles, but not both.

In any situation where you have a tank that you can't seem to take out with AV, that tank would get rolled very quickly by a rail tank.

Stop trying to distill everything down to tankers want to be god mode. It isn't accurate, it limits the options for real discussion, and it makes you like like a b*tch.

Start contributing something instead of being a crybaby.

stop trying to lump all of us who want balance into the "QQ tanks are hard" category , it limits the options for real discussion, and it makes you like like a b*tch.

what AVers want is the ability, with skill to take out a tank solo, because an AVer needs to make the same choice a tank does, do I get in my AV suit and kill vehicles leaving me vulnerable to both infantry and vehicles or do I go infantry giving me no chance against the tanks. as infantry I should be able to choose to run av nades and either proxies or RE'S AND TAKE OUT A TANK SOLO, WITH SKILL....not QQ...fact.

stop trying to lump all of us who want balance into the "QQ tanks are hard" category , it limits the options for real discussion, and it makes you like like a b*tch.

what AVers want is the ability, with skill to take out a tank solo, because an AVer needs to make the same choice a tank does, do I get in my AV suit and kill vehicles leaving me vulnerable to both infantry and vehicles or do I go infantry giving me no chance against the tanks. as infantry I should be able to choose to run av nades and either proxies or RE'S AND TAKE OUT A TANK SOLO, WITH SKILL....not QQ...fact.

With a FG and nades, every tank goes down.

You want to run a rifle and an av fit at the same time. So you want the best of both worlds. Which makes you a scrub. Choose either AV or anti infantry, you don't get both anymore, and thank CCP for finally coming to their sense about it.

If you think you should be able to have a rifle and a potent AV fit on the same suit, you are delusional and deserve to be laughed at.