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Mobius Wyvern Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4212	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:20:00 - [1] - Quote You know, I've posted in threads like these before saying all the usual **** about "HTFU" and "QQ" but when I was talking to a good friend of mine today, I finally came to a realization that was rather sobering. One of the central pillars of the EVE community is the sense of community itself. From people who like opposing playstyles all the way up to massive coalitions who spend all their time killing each other, come FanFest they would all get together for a beer and a laugh and swap stories. I can't see that in Dust. I could actually see that turning into fistfights. The problem with this community is that attempting to be part of it takes good people and turns them into something else. Day after day all I see is threads about how this Corporation are cheaters, or this other Corporation is doomed to fail because we're better, or this asset is OP and me and everyone I know will leave the game if you don't nerf it completely, and the list just goes on and on. I thought General Discussion on the EVE forums was bad, and I've made jokes about other game forums being worse, but while those other games had many people getting on each other about in-game issues, these and the Planetside 2 forums are the only ones I've been on where people get so hostile and vindictive toward each other, nevermind the game. I've had a few members of this community that I actually looked up to, that I saw as a beacon of reason in the sea of angst and backbiting, and recent events have made me see that they were all the same as the others that have come and gone, tried to be good men and been consumed. In keeping with the tone of this sob story, I'll leave identities to the imagination, because they don't really matter anyway. I guess what I want from this thread is for everyone who reads it to just take a step back and examine what the feel, and how they want to go about supporting or discussing it. I strongly believe that all the people who post here are good people, but we're letting ourselves get wound up in all the negativity and not getting anything done but starting all these feuds that have led to our current state of not being able to get consensus on even the simplest topics that most of us actually agree on. I'm not really sure why I started this other than that I felt like I wanted to make a statement, but I guess the thing to draw from it is that we're all here together because we find something in this game that we enjoy, or we see the potential for it to get better. Even the ones who post about being gone forever that say they're just around to laugh at those foolish enough to stay still come back when the patches drop, even if they do leave again. For better or worse we're all here, and we might as well try and work together to accomplish something. That's all. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 162	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:31:00 - [2] - Quote I have to admit, so far (out side of my lovely friends I commiserate with in the summit, love y'all) this community has been the worst gaming community I've ever been a part of... And that includes the Call of Duty zombies community, which is saying something. CCP could be doing better, sure. After all, EVE sucked when it first came out. But the real issue here is how horrible the player base is to the developers and eachother. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Cosgar ParagonX 8987	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:35:00 - [3] - Quote We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2419	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:45:00 - [4] - Quote lol speak for yourself, I'm not a self entitled brat. But great OP. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 776	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:47:00 - [5] - Quote People are whiny and bitter for whatever reason. I think the Anti-Proto Griefing was the last straw for me on defending the community. I mean sure, if you wanted to grief just because, sure but some people believe that griefing protos in FW would stop them from using Proto in pubs when the exact opposite would happen. Let's not forget the constant QQing about CCP not listening to us but then they listen to the wrong people. Most of it is just to make themselves feel better. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:57:00 - [6] - Quote The Forums are for the players who are bored of the game and would rather do this then play the game. Really I haven't played Dust in a few days, PS3 is right next to me and I'd rather jump on the forums. I know it's all the same rants, nerf this nerf that, same topics different victims. Only real reason to come on here is to enjoy the RP threads. This message was brought to you by Gives Zero Flux. (Insert Witty Ad Here)
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 877	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:58:00 - [7] - Quote yea, I see that. Quote: There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them. because who ever they are in your mind, is their true identity. Quote: Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. Quote: It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. (who ever wears this as their sig +1 to you sir) just some words to live by. tensions tend to run high when everything matters. I see hate, anger, and rage, everyday on the forums I myself am guilty of rage posting and derailing threads simply because I had already read that post a hundred times by different authors. I don't go to the war room anymore it is poison of the soul to read what's posted in that den of disparity. dust is a family a dysfunctional family but a family I haven't been on comms(and spoken with, there are people that I mute) that I wouldn't grab a brew with. I really, really hope that others feel the same way because at the end of the day business is business and once I hang up my rifle and polish my gk.0 it's high fives and beers all around. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 727	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote Hmmm.... what's there in common between PS2 and Dust? Lets connect the dots. F2P FPS is the answer - this is the root problem. EVE is an MMO the sense of community is in the center of any successful MMO - players identify themselves as citizens of whatever virtual world they play in. Dust is an FPS, it attracts and foster players who are aggressive and competitive a lot of whom are also pretty young - teens and very early 20s. If you throw an untoward monetization system in our case F2P that skews the balance of this competitive environment, you end up with a lot of angry ppl. Surely this is readily apparent to you, no? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 727	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:08:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. Oh come on. We are not 'brats'. We are consumers who complain about a poorly made product offered to us under false advertisement. Honestly, I don't care if I make an impact on Development, I don't believe I will - and if so, as far as I am concerned, it's CCP's funeral and they can do as they please. I will however be heard otherwise, I am just folding in. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7591	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:15:00 - [10] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cosgar wrote: We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. Oh come on. We are not 'brats'. We are consumers who complain about a poorly made product offered to us under false advertisement. Honestly, I don't care if I make an impact on Development, I don't believe I will - and if so, as far as I am concerned, it's CCP's funeral and they can do as they please. I will however be heard otherwise, I am just folding in. The game is free. The products you buy are what you can really feel entitled about, which is basically just the micro-transactions. The vast majority of the game you did not pay for, so feeling entitled doesn't make sense. You can feel entitled about the various packs, the value of aurum, the usefulness of various aurum items, because you payed for those, but not other stuff. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:21:00 - [11] - Quote The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Mobius Wyvern Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4219	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:27:00 - [12] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. I actually agree with your assessment. I feel that way myself. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 586	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:33:00 - [13] - Quote I dunno, wanting to watch the whole world burn has its quaint charms. You have a lot to answer for.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:36:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Malek McRoland wrote: The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. I actually agree with your assessment. I feel that way myself. Thanks. And at least its a sensible point of view. This game merely mirrors how society is: always wanting more, yet we rely on CCP to bring us content to improve our gaming life. We can either choose to abuse the mechanics of the game and start a tidalwave of negative feedback, or try to use the tools to show how Dust is still a fun and viable game. Granted, the content is coming soonTM, but we don't have the keyboard to put stuff in ourselves. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 877	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:36:00 - [15] - Quote DUST 514 Player 12345678914 wrote: I dunno, wanting to watch the whole world burn has its quaint charms. would be better with some music though... perhaps a fiddle? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Brass Stalker Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:15:00 - [16] - Quote free roam maps with public chat box or some form of recreation. the community dosent suck its the design of the game itself. chat box is hidden from sight. no social interaction like other ftp games. your player model stuck in his prison cell of a room, untill he gets let out for the sole purpose of killing. no exploration no mini games, base building, creativity is relegated to sp allocation. people love to roll play and help eachother but this game is cold and unforgiving which largley takes away a sense of contibution from many and frustrates them. thats what you see on these forums. not ****** people. theyre just frustrated by a lack of creative control. which is how the game was presented by ccp originaly.
pseudosnipre 410	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:28:00 - [17] - Quote Most outspoken forum trolls and elite players would NEVER go to a live event. Think about it: unless they are Adonis in a stretch limo their image has nowhere to go but down. Nobody cares if you have a 10+ KDR if you show up to prove that this is the best thing going on in your life right now...although the pictures would be glorious. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Badonk Adonk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 86	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:31:00 - [18] - Quote Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya. HTFU op.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:37:00 - [19] - Quote Badonk Adonk wrote: Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya. HTFU op. This. You obviously serve no purpose in this thread. BE GONE TROLL!!! Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 895	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:39:00 - [20] - Quote uh huh. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10

Cosgar ParagonX 8992	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:40:00 - [21] - Quote Only thing we all have in common from bitter vet to blind fanbboy/girl or anything in between is that we all care about the game. Some people express it differently than others. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 24	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:58:00 - [22] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. I'm gonna counter your "This is not relality" with the existential observation that reality is what you perceive. There are many arguments that our current reality is actually a blend of our real life, our digital lives, and how we imagine and envision ourselves in all of these. I would say that to many of us our DUST persona is very much a reflection of ourselves. All this being said I agree that too many people are concerned about their KDR and less with the future of the game and its growth. Frankly I'm rooting to see DUST hold strong for over a decade and become an MMO in its own right. Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 24	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:01:00 - [23] - Quote And I would love to have a beer with all of ya in a dive bar :) Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Oswald Rehnquist 947	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:22:00 - [24] - Quote I know what you mean, since this is my first time where I spent any amount of time on a gaming forum definitely an eye opener, many are fine but there is definitely a sizable group of people who seem pretty immature, angry, and funny enough don't seem to know how to actually discuss things. Though I would image that would be pretty normal considering that this is a fps forum, I've been told the other fps forums are actually worse. I usually just take it with a grain of salt and try to treat people as if I were facing them in person regardless, which usually means you listen, agree/disagree with them and the reasons why. It doesn't seem too hard the the autonomy of the internet plus the fps age group is what we have to work with. Also some subgroups/people are worse than others when it comes to handling discussions. And I'm not perfecatly immune from all the effects either. But I will say that there is indeed a dust community and I do believe the majority is functional, where the vocal few or those with clout who can't talk just give off the impression of a broken community. Below 28 dB
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 24	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:25:00 - [25] - Quote Oswald... you're buying first round ;) Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4687	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:29:00 - [26] - Quote Cosgar wrote: it was part of that invisible road map. This made me laugh So right... but wait for IW to come here and say CCP has a roadmap, and we're just blind. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Oswald Rehnquist 947	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:33:00 - [27] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Oswald... you're buying first round ;) More of a wine guy personally, and only in moderation. If there is a group of you guys in Sol Cal, I've no qualms with restaurant or bar meet ups assuming the scheduling works. Below 28 dB
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 134	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:34:00 - [28] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Oswald... you're buying first round ;) I second this lol. But Oswald hit a point: not many know how to talk on these forums constructively. It involves too many egos just for an FPS in its infancy, just in terms of content alone. And even though you see other forums of other games being a lot worse, I think it is somewhat midigated by the presence of the devs here. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 25	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:35:00 - [29] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Oswald... you're buying first round ;) More of a wine guy personally, and only in moderation. If there is a group of you guys in Sol Cal, I've no qualms with restaurant or bar meet ups assuming the scheduling works. Southern Alberta actually... but I appreciate the offer lol Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1398	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:51:00 - [30] - Quote It's not that hard to really not understand. Eve is a mmo. mmo communities are like anime communityes to me. no matter what anime you like, you all come together to enjoy anime. FPS games (like PS2) Are like gladiator games. Think football. It's.... more complicated. Just liking football doesn't mean you can stick ravens and patriots fans in the same room and expect it to go smoothly. different genres man. People take their teams to heart. And FPS games, players take their battles to heart. But you can have mutual common ground. and many do. But I see nothing wrong in it. FPS are not building anything. They are what they are. Arenas for the battle of the gods.

Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 3343	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:56:00 - [31] - Quote We need more MMO in the game honestly, to much FPS not enough MMO, nothing to focus on but stats and 'skill' make for a poor community environment. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja Forum Warrior level 3 STB-Infantry (Demolition)
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 508	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:57:00 - [32] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: You know, I've posted in threads like these before saying all the usual **** about "HTFU" and "QQ" but when I was talking to a good friend of mine today, I finally came to a realization that was rather sobering. One of the central pillars of the EVE community is the sense of community itself. From people who like opposing playstyles all the way up to massive coalitions who spend all their time killing each other, come FanFest they would all get together for a beer and a laugh and swap stories. I can't see that in Dust. I could actually see that turning into fistfights. The problem with this community is that attempting to be part of it takes good people and turns them into something else. Day after day all I see is threads about how this Corporation are cheaters, or this other Corporation is doomed to fail because we're better, or this asset is OP and me and everyone I know will leave the game if you don't nerf it completely, and the list just goes on and on. I thought General Discussion on the EVE forums was bad, and I've made jokes about other game forums being worse, but while those other games had many people getting on each other about in-game issues, these and the Planetside 2 forums are the only ones I've been on where people get so hostile and vindictive toward each other, nevermind the game. I've had a few members of this community that I actually looked up to, that I saw as a beacon of reason in the sea of angst and backbiting, and recent events have made me see that they were all the same as the others that have come and gone, tried to be good men and been consumed. In keeping with the tone of this sob story, I'll leave identities to the imagination, because they don't really matter anyway. I guess what I want from this thread is for everyone who reads it to just take a step back and examine what the feel, and how they want to go about supporting or discussing it. I strongly believe that all the people who post here are good people, but we're letting ourselves get wound up in all the negativity and not getting anything done but starting all these feuds that have led to our current state of not being able to get consensus on even the simplest topics that most of us actually agree on. I'm not really sure why I started this other than that I felt like I wanted to make a statement, but I guess the thing to draw from it is that we're all here together because we find something in this game that we enjoy, or we see the potential for it to get better. Even the ones who post about being gone forever that say they're just around to laugh at those foolish enough to stay still come back when the patches drop, even if they do leave again. For better or worse we're all here, and we might as well try and work together to accomplish something. That's all. You all suck. This game sucks. The developers suck. The moderators suck. The GMs suck. I hope you all die in a fire filled with AIDS gas & Ebola water. Hugs Feel at home yet???
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1398	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:57:00 - [33] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Hmmm.... what's there in common between PS2 and Dust? Lets connect the dots. F2P FPS is the answer - this is the root problem. EVE is an MMO the sense of community is in the center of any successful MMO - players identify themselves as citizens of whatever virtual world they play in. Dust is an FPS, it attracts and foster players who are aggressive and competitive a lot of whom are also pretty young - teens and very early 20s. If you throw an untoward monetization system in our case F2P that skews the balance of this competitive environment, you end up with a lot of angry ppl. Surely this is readily apparent to you, no? Damn.. missed your post. would have saved me time in writing my own post that's pretty much saying the same. lol Different genres. with different communities.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 135	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:58:00 - [34] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: It's not that hard to really not understand. Eve is a mmo. mmo communities are like anime communityes to me. no matter what anime you like, you all come together to enjoy anime. FPS games (like PS2) Are like gladiator games. Think football. It's.... more complicated. Just liking football doesn't mean you can stick ravens and patriots fans in the same room and expect it to go smoothly. different genres man. People take their teams to heart. And FPS games, players take their battles to heart. But you can have mutual common ground. and many do. But I see nothing wrong in it. FPS are not building anything. They are what they are. Arenas for the battle of the gods. Exactly. This game is trying to truly meld FPS and MMO successfully. I enjoyed MAG when it was still online, and despite its flaws, this game should be able to capitalize on those mistakes. And the football reference is spot-on. It's literally MMO nerd vs. Overpassionate FPS nerd. Both are wanting the same thing, yet both go about their business very different. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 508	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:58:00 - [35] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: We need more MMO in the game honestly, to much FPS not enough MMO, nothing to focus on but stats and 'skill' make for a poor community environment. PvE would alleviate this.....but SOONtm is not soon enough
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 135	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:59:00 - [36] - Quote Sinboto Simmons wrote: We need more MMO in the game honestly, to much FPS not enough MMO, nothing to focus on but stats and 'skill' make for a poor community environment. +100 Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1528	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:00:00 - [37] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: I could actually see that turning into fistfights. Every time I run at people with my Commando to fist fight them, they shoot me in the face. "Go ahead and dual tank. My Commando dual ganks." -Kasote Denzara The Traitor, in the name of "freedom".
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1154	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:06:00 - [38] - Quote What a load of nonsense, ppl in eve do far worse things to each other every day for months/years on end, they still get together and fanfest and avoid ending up in an icelandic prison for assault. Everyone is an ******** till you're on comms working together, its much the same when meeting other players at an event.
Mobius Wyvern Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4223	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:15:00 - [39] - Quote Beld Errmon wrote: What a load of nonsense, ppl in eve do far worse things to each other every day for months/years on end, they still get together and fanfest and avoid ending up in an icelandic prison for assault. Everyone is an ******** till you're on comms working together, its much the same when meeting other players at an event. That's true in some cases, but I can personally attest to the fact that it isn't so in all cases. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1398	Posted - 2013.12.23 07:28:00 - [40] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: What a load of nonsense, ppl in eve do far worse things to each other every day for months/years on end, they still get together and fanfest and avoid ending up in an icelandic prison for assault. Everyone is an ******** till you're on comms working together, its much the same when meeting other players at an event. That's true in some cases, but I can personally attest to the fact that it isn't so in all cases. Yeah.. same here. I've seen fist fights erupt in some FPS gatherings.

Mobius Wyvern Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4226	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:11:00 - [41] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Mobius Wyvern wrote: Beld Errmon wrote: What a load of nonsense, ppl in eve do far worse things to each other every day for months/years on end, they still get together and fanfest and avoid ending up in an icelandic prison for assault. Everyone is an ******** till you're on comms working together, its much the same when meeting other players at an event. That's true in some cases, but I can personally attest to the fact that it isn't so in all cases. Yeah.. same here. I've seen fist fights erupt in some FPS gatherings. What makes it worse is that you actually buy and lose these assets instead of getting them for free in limitless numbers like any other shooter. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Phazoid The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 144	Posted - 2013.12.23 08:56:00 - [42] - Quote look, there are good people on this community, this thread proves it, but i think that dust lacks sentiment, that sentiment of belonging, of new places to explore, things that goes with the MMO, and i think dust needs to give interactions and ways to understanding your factions, and choosing what to fight for, maybe ideals are missing as well, we need something that inspires people, and maybe, just maybe, we as a community should do that, i mean CCP gave us our freedom inside the game, and we see the nature of the human, to complaint and do displays of anger when things dont go their way, CCP just builds the universe around us, its up to us to make it interesting. Ib'tuur jatne tuur ash'ad kyr'amur (Today is a good day for someone else to die).
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 929	Posted - 2013.12.23 09:00:00 - [43] - Quote Console gamers. Nuff said. EDIT: most aren't old enough to be drinking. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 728	Posted - 2013.12.23 09:56:00 - [44] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cosgar wrote: We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. Oh come on. We are not 'brats'. We are consumers who complain about a poorly made product offered to us under false advertisement. Honestly, I don't care if I make an impact on Development, I don't believe I will - and if so, as far as I am concerned, it's CCP's funeral and they can do as they please. I will however be heard otherwise, I am just folding in. The game is free. The products you buy are what you can really feel entitled about, which is basically just the micro-transactions. The vast majority of the game you did not pay for, so feeling entitled doesn't make sense. You can feel entitled about the various packs, the value of aurum, the usefulness of various aurum items, because you payed for those, but not other stuff. Oh rly? I spent $60 - I believe I have paid for everything this game can possibly offer. Moreover, I paied when in closed beta, spending money on merc pack that was promised to be reimbursed on release - we know how that one went. So I was paying back then to support efforts to develop a game that CCP promised. Instead I am stuck with what Dust is now to far from the game CCP said they were making. I know that I was not paying for 'a pack' of things that don't even exist in the real word. To state the latter would actually be the thing that makes no sense. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1156	Posted - 2013.12.23 12:00:00 - [45] - Quote thats pretty pathetic ppl punching on over games, but I've little doubt they were terrible human beings long before they started playing any particular game.
Ansiiis The Trustworthy Ahrendee Mercenaries 586	Posted - 2013.12.23 12:44:00 - [46] - Quote We're like an Irish community. Sworn Shield of Cat Merc.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 2027	Posted - 2013.12.23 12:53:00 - [47] - Quote You only just realised this? FPS games never seem to make a good community and espc not today where everyone calls each other a ****** for killing them or whatever and it happens in all MP games Intelligence is OP
gbghg L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 4196	Posted - 2013.12.23 12:56:00 - [48] - Quote the communities fine until the balance threads start... Lv 4 forum warrior Bringer of Bacon Knight of AMV's
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1307	Posted - 2013.12.23 12:59:00 - [49] - Quote There are people who no matter what you say will be hostile, others who will turn hostile when they loose, other like you say start non hostile. I personally try tomstay non hostile as much as possible, but at the same time my hostility towards a certain tanker is hardly kept quite. Tanks 514 I told you, I bloody well told you. Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1828	Posted - 2013.12.23 13:07:00 - [50] - Quote DUST 514 Player 12345678914 wrote: I dunno, wanting to watch the whole world burn has its quaint charms. Did someone **** in your corn flakes? Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

IVIaster LUKE 148	Posted - 2013.12.23 13:11:00 - [51] - Quote "If you can dodge a Wrench, you can dodge a Duvolle".
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1830	Posted - 2013.12.23 13:12:00 - [52] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Console gamers. Nuff said. EDIT: most aren't old enough to be drinking. This right here, a bunch of little troll sprogs circle jerking in a fantasy popularity contest, its sickening. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 528	Posted - 2013.12.23 13:12:00 - [53] - Quote Just to reply to OP quickly. It was close to being a good community, player numbers were low and attitudes adjusted to value each player. It still can be but the time is not right. Dust must extort EVE. That would be truly unifying. "Because beer, that's why."
Ninjanomyx Imperfects Negative-Feedback 511	Posted - 2013.12.23 13:19:00 - [54] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: You only just realised this? FPS games never seem to make a good community and espc not today where everyone calls each other a **** for killing them or whatever and it happens in all MP games QFT!!! I got called a NER for being better than the kid @ Lego Batman.....& I was only trying to help carry the Spiglet to Victory Lucky for me I watched Bernie Mac on The Kings of Comedy & applied an OP quick chop to the throat. Tears ensued, & now the word N**ER has yet to come out of his mouth again If only Consoles came with an Auto-Chop Peripheral built into the controller........hmmmmmmmmmm
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1398	Posted - 2013.12.23 13:41:00 - [55] - Quote I like my FPS communities. It's just like any gladiator game/sport community. Boxing... Football... MMA. My enjoyment in FPS games is competition, so it's cool to be around like minded players. Has that good old tavern feeling to it. Yeah, you have some jack asses, but that's true in all communities. We are a tough lot, but every player is a warrior by their own right, and gets respected as much. To get ** talked by another player just shows you got noticed that much by that player. We can talk ** about our game as much as we want, BUT YOU CAN'T DO IT. We share some tactics and advise, weapons of choice, but their really is not "For the moment weapons" Every one plays with their own gun skill, and with the weapon they are comfortable with. So you see a large variation of weapons on the field. We talk about previous FPS games and those battles that were epic. And we QQ about close battles lost. We are maybe just as passionate or I dare say more then any other genre. We don't intentionally go to build a community like mmo players do, because our bonds are made and strengthen through FIRE AND BRIMSTONE. Battles won and lost are what builds our community. I wouldn't trade none of FPS brothers that I've met here or there, for anything. even the ones that QQ more then others. lol
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1681	Posted - 2013.12.23 16:08:00 - [56] - Quote Swords are forged in fire and flames. We are making swords out of you. Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
Psyon Sebiestor FACTION WARFARE ARMY 66	Posted - 2013.12.23 16:10:00 - [57] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: You know, I've posted in threads like these before saying all the usual **** about "HTFU" and "QQ" but when I was talking to a good friend of mine today, I finally came to a realization that was rather sobering. One of the central pillars of the EVE community is the sense of community itself. From people who like opposing playstyles all the way up to massive coalitions who spend all their time killing each other, come FanFest they would all get together for a beer and a laugh and swap stories. I can't see that in Dust. I could actually see that turning into fistfights. The problem with this community is that attempting to be part of it takes good people and turns them into something else. Day after day all I see is threads about how this Corporation are cheaters, or this other Corporation is doomed to fail because we're better, or this asset is OP and me and everyone I know will leave the game if you don't nerf it completely, and the list just goes on and on. I thought General Discussion on the EVE forums was bad, and I've made jokes about other game forums being worse, but while those other games had many people getting on each other about in-game issues, these and the Planetside 2 forums are the only ones I've been on where people get so hostile and vindictive toward each other, nevermind the game. I've had a few members of this community that I actually looked up to, that I saw as a beacon of reason in the sea of angst and backbiting, and recent events have made me see that they were all the same as the others that have come and gone, tried to be good men and been consumed. In keeping with the tone of this sob story, I'll leave identities to the imagination, because they don't really matter anyway. I guess what I want from this thread is for everyone who reads it to just take a step back and examine what the feel, and how they want to go about supporting or discussing it. I strongly believe that all the people who post here are good people, but we're letting ourselves get wound up in all the negativity and not getting anything done but starting all these feuds that have led to our current state of not being able to get consensus on even the simplest topics that most of us actually agree on. I'm not really sure why I started this other than that I felt like I wanted to make a statement, but I guess the thing to draw from it is that we're all here together because we find something in this game that we enjoy, or we see the potential for it to get better. Even the ones who post about being gone forever that say they're just around to laugh at those foolish enough to stay still come back when the patches drop, even if they do leave again. For better or worse we're all here, and we might as well try and work together to accomplish something. That's all. Don't take this the wrong way but .. telling people to HTFU and welcome to New Eden breeds resentment and dislike .. this attitude is what drives so many good people into being abusive,negative and generally complaining and being unhelpful This game isn't that enjoyable for alot of people and those people will complain about it
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 207	Posted - 2013.12.25 06:06:00 - [58] - Quote Anarchide wrote: Swords are forged in fire and flames. We are making swords out of you. "Great men are forged in fire. It is the privilege of lesser men to light the flame." - The Doctor Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
lee corwood Knights Of Ender Public Disorder. 178	Posted - 2013.12.25 06:41:00 - [59] - Quote As a somewhat newer person to the forum, I can see how some people get torn down into spitting rage at people. In one way, the 8 billion posts on the same thing make me kind of mental. There is a search feature for a reason, but it makes me even angrier as its mostly a cry for attention. Anyone new will freely admit they are new and when pointed in the right direction, often follow the trail and quietly disappear. For the rest, their way of existing in this world is to whine as much as possible in as many different threads to do nothing else but create a name for themselves among the community: "I know there is a post already, but..." STOP THIS. And, it's always almost in a negative light. Negative attention is attention and for most people, its the quickest way to get attention. Even for those who are level headed and expressing good and welcome feedback, you start to notice repeat names. There is nothing in this game that drives players to this forum. Sure, there are a good number of us, but you have to admit the names you see repeatedly make this seem a very small world. Dust on the PS3 is so isolated and disconnected from anything that would drive a user to the forum. No documentation in the 'welcome new player', no direction (i'm assuming based on what it's pumping out) from the academy and even on these forums, 'join this chat to learn', taking people directly out of the forums and back into the isolated game. Hell, I don't even think the forum IS the place for the community. Transfer of knowledge, training up newer players, leveling up skills, learning to strafe, ideally shouldn't be done by providing a user with walls and walls of text. I feel like half the good training guides (which don't get me wrong, I love them) are a complete turnoff. As a new user, would you really want a 'welcome to the game, here's your manual) feeling? Especially when you're going to be killed repeatedly in a pathetic attempt to grind anyways? There is no way to interact with teammates other than in a setting of risk. No training servers, no 'just fun' play settings (race tracks for vehicles) hell, even dummy shooting competitions. ANYTHING to get the 'not now, my kdr matters more than friends' out of our heads. Now let me go flaunt about it till someone else can pull out a bigger d*ck and we can call each other cheaters all day. Minmatar Logisis \| Heavy lover. Come get some badass Band-Aids from this chick
Pvt Numnutz Black Phoenix Mercenaries 488	Posted - 2013.12.25 06:51:00 - [60] - Quote A good post, and appropriate at this time of year. We should be killing each other and laughing about it, not fighting further. Embrase your fellow merc and let's bring in the new year on a good note!

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7629	Posted - 2013.12.25 08:08:00 - [61] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cosgar wrote: We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. Oh come on. We are not 'brats'. We are consumers who complain about a poorly made product offered to us under false advertisement. Honestly, I don't care if I make an impact on Development, I don't believe I will - and if so, as far as I am concerned, it's CCP's funeral and they can do as they please. I will however be heard otherwise, I am just folding in. The game is free. The products you buy are what you can really feel entitled about, which is basically just the micro-transactions. The vast majority of the game you did not pay for, so feeling entitled doesn't make sense. You can feel entitled about the various packs, the value of aurum, the usefulness of various aurum items, because you payed for those, but not other stuff. Oh rly? I spent $60 - I believe I have paid for everything this game can possibly offer. Moreover, I paied when in closed beta, spending money on merc pack that was promised to be reimbursed on release - we know how that one went. So I was paying back then to support efforts to develop a game that CCP promised. Instead I am stuck with what Dust is now to far from the game CCP said they were making. I know that I was not paying for 'a pack' of things that don't even exist in the real word. To state the latter would actually be the thing that makes no sense. You didn't pay for Dust, you payed for items in Dust. The fact that you spent $60 does not mean you payed for the game, just means you payed for a lot of items. While I understand your motive for buying these items was to fund the game's improvement, your intention does not change the nature of the transaction; the nature of the purchases was not "pay X amount of money, and in exchange we will make this game great". That being said, I don't like the current state of Dust, I am disappointed, and I want it to improve. I just think its wrong to feel entitled about it for the aforementioned reason. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+
rretri bution 12	Posted - 2013.12.25 12:19:00 - [62] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: You know, I've posted in threads like these before saying all the usual **** about "HTFU" and "QQ" but when I was talking to a good friend of mine today, I finally came to a realization that was rather sobering. One of the central pillars of the EVE community is the sense of community itself. From people who like opposing playstyles all the way up to massive coalitions who spend all their time killing each other, come FanFest they would all get together for a beer and a laugh and swap stories. I can't see that in Dust. I could actually see that turning into fistfights. The problem with this community is that attempting to be part of it takes good people and turns them into something else. Day after day all I see is threads about how this Corporation are cheaters, or this other Corporation is doomed to fail because we're better, or this asset is OP and me and everyone I know will leave the game if you don't nerf it completely, and the list just goes on and on. I thought General Discussion on the EVE forums was bad, and I've made jokes about other game forums being worse, but while those other games had many people getting on each other about in-game issues, these and the Planetside 2 forums are the only ones I've been on where people get so hostile and vindictive toward each other, nevermind the game. I've had a few members of this community that I actually looked up to, that I saw as a beacon of reason in the sea of angst and backbiting, and recent events have made me see that they were all the same as the others that have come and gone, tried to be good men and been consumed. In keeping with the tone of this sob story, I'll leave identities to the imagination, because they don't really matter anyway. I guess what I want from this thread is for everyone who reads it to just take a step back and examine what the feel, and how they want to go about supporting or discussing it. I strongly believe that all the people who post here are good people, but we're letting ourselves get wound up in all the negativity and not getting anything done but starting all these feuds that have led to our current state of not being able to get consensus on even the simplest topics that most of us actually agree on. I'm not really sure why I started this other than that I felt like I wanted to make a statement, but I guess the thing to draw from it is that we're all here together because we find something in this game that we enjoy, or we see the potential for it to get better. Even the ones who post about being gone forever that say they're just around to laugh at those foolish enough to stay still come back when the patches drop, even if they do leave again. For better or worse we're all here, and we might as well try and work together to accomplish something. That's all. I feel like alot of peoople forget that this is just a videogame and its not real.
rretri bution 12	Posted - 2013.12.25 12:22:00 - [63] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. well said, some great points
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services 57	Posted - 2013.12.25 12:29:00 - [64] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Hmmm.... what's there in common between PS2 and Dust? Lets connect the dots. F2P FPS is the answer - this is the root problem. EVE is an MMO the sense of community is in the center of any successful MMO - players identify themselves as citizens of whatever virtual world they play in. Dust is an FPS, it attracts and foster players who are aggressive and competitive a lot of whom are also pretty young - teens and very early 20s. If you throw an untoward monetization system in our case F2P that skews the balance of this competitive environment, you end up with a lot of angry ppl. Surely this is readily apparent to you, no? I think you nailed it right there. It is the disconnect with EVE and the world on tranquility that surrounds them removes them from connectivity with the larger EVE playerbase and with each other. The other night I literally took my mercs on a walkthrough of the map via voice to show them where the alliance main solar systems are, where our HQ is, where significant battles took place etc. I found that sad in a way, its like taking prisoners out after 20 years of confinement and showing them how the world around them has changed. One thing I found very interesting is the response from my corpies I got, they were very riveted to the explanation. Dusts players are hungry for a feeling of connectiveness to one another. One thing I began doing is taking screenshots of the HQ station, the different ships that will be used for orbitals, some of the Pocos etc. and emailing the pictures to them. They LOVE it. CCP has got to prioritize connectivity. EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
DeeJay One Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 151	Posted - 2013.12.25 12:41:00 - [65] - Quote Well, I miss the times from closed beta, where forum discussions were mostly useful, most arguments were resolved by talking to each other, testing out stuff together even if you were planning to be in different corps after they launch. Then all hell broke loose and I was wondering what did I get myself into? Nowadays forums are littered with "you suck" posts without any explanation (at least in EVE when someone says that they have something to show - like loosing a dread in low sec ;), RESPEC requests ({sarcasm}Why the hell didn't they RESPEC all capsuleers when the new SOE faction ships arrived?!?{/sarcasm}), and nerf this, nerf that posts. I miss the old times :(
BMSTUBBY KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 546	Posted - 2013.12.25 12:59:00 - [66] - Quote There is a "Dust Community". You just do not seem to like it. Until some changes like an elected CPM and real MMO game mechanics are strong in place, this is what you are going to get. My suggestion would be to stay away from the threads. Tips Hat Have a good day. Meh, F2P Lobby Shooter BattleDuty 514 Working as intended.
Beld Errmon The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 1165	Posted - 2013.12.25 13:10:00 - [67] - Quote DeeJay One wrote: Well, I miss the times from closed beta, where forum discussions were mostly useful, most arguments were resolved by talking to each other, testing out stuff together even if you were planning to be in different corps after they launch. Then all hell broke loose and I was wondering what did I get myself into? Nowadays forums are littered with "you suck" posts without any explanation (at least in EVE when someone says that they have something to show - like loosing a dread in low sec ;), RESPEC requests ({sarcasm}Why the hell didn't they RESPEC all capsuleers when the new SOE faction ships arrived?!?{/sarcasm}), and nerf this, nerf that posts. I miss the old times :( Those are some mighty fine rose coloured glasses you have there, the only difference i see between now and then is there are a lot more ignorant self entitled brats around.
KhanidVictor Paladin Survey Force Amarr Empire 4	Posted - 2013.12.25 14:50:00 - [68] - Quote I think the reason people get so hostile is because people care more about this game than they do most others. There are not many game series or game worlds I care too much about. Personally, aside from this EVE story we play in and the MGS storyline, not many other games really capture my fascination quite like this game.
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 733	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:39:00 - [69] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cosgar wrote: We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. Oh come on. We are not 'brats'. We are consumers who complain about a poorly made product offered to us under false advertisement. Honestly, I don't care if I make an impact on Development, I don't believe I will - and if so, as far as I am concerned, it's CCP's funeral and they can do as they please. I will however be heard otherwise, I am just folding in. The game is free. The products you buy are what you can really feel entitled about, which is basically just the micro-transactions. The vast majority of the game you did not pay for, so feeling entitled doesn't make sense. You can feel entitled about the various packs, the value of aurum, the usefulness of various aurum items, because you payed for those, but not other stuff. Oh rly? I spent $60 - I believe I have paid for everything this game can possibly offer. Moreover, I paied when in closed beta, spending money on merc pack that was promised to be reimbursed on release - we know how that one went. So I was paying back then to support efforts to develop a game that CCP promised. Instead I am stuck with what Dust is now to far from the game CCP said they were making. I know that I was not paying for 'a pack' of things that don't even exist in the real word. To state the latter would actually be the thing that makes no sense. You didn't pay for Dust, you payed for items in Dust. The fact that you spent $60 does not mean you payed for the game, just means you payed for a lot of items. While I understand your motive for buying these items was to fund the game's improvement, your intention does not change the nature of the transaction; the nature of the purchases was not "pay X amount of money, and in exchange we will make this game great". That being said, I don't like the current state of Dust, I am disappointed, and I want it to improve. I just think its wrong to feel entitled about it for the aforementioned reason. You keep saying that but you are wrong. I know what I paid for and sure as hell it was not for items that don't really exist. I paid for the game. I lot of ppl here did not. You surely did not given that it seems as such a foreign concept to you. I did. And I want quality for my money. I am not saying I can turn in what I paid for but I know that when you pay money in f2p you are actually paying for the game that other ppl choose not to pay for. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Mortedeamor 1118	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:41:00 - [70] - Quote i thought for sure dust was over for me when ccp made lr completely useless in 1.7..then i realized they had given me something to make me happy until they buff my baby. tanks will keep me in dust until ccp pulls their heads put of there @sses why use suits when ccp gave us nice shiny op as hell tanks that cost next to nothing

Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 733	Posted - 2013.12.26 00:49:00 - [71] - Quote KhanidVictor wrote: I think the reason people get so hostile is because people care more about this game than they do most others. There are not many game series or game worlds I care too much about. Personally, aside from this EVE story we play in and the MGS storyline, not many other games really capture my fascination quite like this game. Ppl who left never cared much ppl who stay fight more because they are passionate. Also, I have not seen it said before so I will stick it here: ppl fight so much because CCP is bipolar: they send the game through wild swings creating hostile camps of players: e g "take AA away and make it a competitive FPS how it used to be" vs "AA is a godsend, all modern FPS have it" Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Sgt Kirk Kirk Industries 3843	Posted - 2013.12.26 01:16:00 - [72] - Quote I'd have a drink with True Adamance he's one of the few respectable people on the forums as much as we are often polarized.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1681	Posted - 2013.12.26 23:57:00 - [73] - Quote I Am the Dust Community. Everything else is just an illusion Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 358	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:00:00 - [74] - Quote So then lets forge the forums into the community we want and be the ambassadors to noobs that we should be. There will always be the asshats and trolls, but the rest of us should strive to make better posts and fight the good fight. Dust is still growing and will always be a "work in progress" so to speak. It'll change over time, and so to will the community. Lets set the example for how we want the forum, the community and the connectivity to the game to develop. Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 358	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:01:00 - [75] - Quote Anarchide wrote: I Am the Dust Community. Everything else is just an illusion Not constructive Anarchide... Mihi gravato Deus - "Let God lay the burden on me!"
Vrain Matari ZionTCD Public Disorder. 1405	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:08:00 - [76] - Quote New Eden is a single shard. We are a community. What kind of community is a whole other discussion, but i can honestly say that there's a lot of peeps on these forums whose opinion i respect the hell out of. I support SP rollover.
Anarchide Greedy Bastards 1681	Posted - 2013.12.27 00:19:00 - [77] - Quote Har... Greedy Bastards' Hate Lord
Mobius Wyvern Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4278	Posted - 2013.12.27 04:15:00 - [78] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: So then lets forge the forums into the community we want and be the ambassadors to noobs that we should be. There will always be the asshats and trolls, but the rest of us should strive to make better posts and fight the good fight. Dust is still growing and will always be a "work in progress" so to speak. It'll change over time, and so to will the community. Lets set the example for how we want the forum, the community and the connectivity to the game to develop. Well said, good sir. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector


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