You know, I've posted in threads like these before saying all the usual **** about "HTFU" and "QQ" but when I was talking to a good friend of mine today, I finally came to a realization that was rather sobering.

One of the central pillars of the EVE community is the sense of community itself. From people who like opposing playstyles all the way up to massive coalitions who spend all their time killing each other, come FanFest they would all get together for a beer and a laugh and swap stories.

I can't see that in Dust. I could actually see that turning into fistfights.

The problem with this community is that attempting to be part of it takes good people and turns them into something else. Day after day all I see is threads about how this Corporation are cheaters, or this other Corporation is doomed to fail because we're better, or this asset is OP and me and everyone I know will leave the game if you don't nerf it completely, and the list just goes on and on.

I thought General Discussion on the EVE forums was bad, and I've made jokes about other game forums being worse, but while those other games had many people getting on each other about in-game issues, these and the Planetside 2 forums are the only ones I've been on where people get so hostile and vindictive toward each other, nevermind the game.

I've had a few members of this community that I actually looked up to, that I saw as a beacon of reason in the sea of angst and backbiting, and recent events have made me see that they were all the same as the others that have come and gone, tried to be good men and been consumed. In keeping with the tone of this sob story, I'll leave identities to the imagination, because they don't really matter anyway.

I guess what I want from this thread is for everyone who reads it to just take a step back and examine what the feel, and how they want to go about supporting or discussing it. I strongly believe that all the people who post here are good people, but we're letting ourselves get wound up in all the negativity and not getting anything done but starting all these feuds that have led to our current state of not being able to get consensus on even the simplest topics that most of us actually agree on.

I'm not really sure why I started this other than that I felt like I wanted to make a statement, but I guess the thing to draw from it is that we're all here together because we find something in this game that we enjoy, or we see the potential for it to get better. Even the ones who post about being gone forever that say they're just around to laugh at those foolish enough to stay still come back when the patches drop, even if they do leave again.

For better or worse we're all here, and we might as well try and work together to accomplish something. That's all.

Hmmm.... what's there in common between PS2 and Dust? Lets connect the dots. F2P FPS is the answer - this is the root problem.

EVE is an MMO the sense of community is in the center of any successful MMO - players identify themselves as citizens of whatever virtual world they play in.

Dust is an FPS, it attracts and foster players who are aggressive and competitive a lot of whom are also pretty young - teens and very early 20s. If you throw an untoward monetization system in our case F2P that skews the balance of this competitive environment, you end up with a lot of angry ppl.

Surely this is readily apparent to you, no?

It's not that hard to really not understand. Eve is a mmo. mmo communities are like anime communityes to me. no matter what anime you like, you all come together to enjoy anime.

FPS games (like PS2) Are like gladiator games. Think football. It's.... more complicated. Just liking football doesn't mean you can stick ravens and patriots fans in the same room and expect it to go smoothly. different genres man. People take their teams to heart. And FPS games, players take their battles to heart.

But you can have mutual common ground. and many do. But I see nothing wrong in it. FPS are not building anything. They are what they are. Arenas for the battle of the gods.

We need more MMO in the game honestly, to much FPS not enough MMO, nothing to focus on but stats and 'skill' make for a poor community environment.

We need more MMO in the game honestly, to much FPS not enough MMO, nothing to focus on but stats and 'skill' make for a poor community environment.

I could actually see that turning into fistfights.

What a load of nonsense, ppl in eve do far worse things to each other every day for months/years on end, they still get together and fanfest and avoid ending up in an icelandic prison for assault.

Everyone is an ******** till you're on comms working together, its much the same when meeting other players at an event.

That's true in some cases, but I can personally attest to the fact that it isn't so in all cases.

Yeah.. same here. I've seen fist fights erupt in some FPS gatherings.

The game is free.
The products you buy are what you can really feel entitled about, which is basically just the micro-transactions. The vast majority of the game you did not pay for, so feeling entitled doesn't make sense. You can feel entitled about the various packs, the value of aurum, the usefulness of various aurum items, because you payed for those, but not other stuff.

I dunno, wanting to watch the whole world burn has its quaint charms.

Console gamers. Nuff said.

EDIT: most aren't old enough to be drinking.

You only just realised this?

FPS games never seem to make a good community and espc not today where everyone calls each other a ****** for killing them or whatever and it happens in all MP games

You know, I've posted in threads like these before saying all the usual **** about "HTFU" and "QQ" but when I was talking to a good friend of mine today, I finally came to a realization that was rather sobering.

One of the central pillars of the EVE community is the sense of community itself. From people who like opposing playstyles all the way up to massive coalitions who spend all their time killing each other, come FanFest they would all get together for a beer and a laugh and swap stories.

I can't see that in Dust. I could actually see that turning into fistfights.

The problem with this community is that attempting to be part of it takes good people and turns them into something else. Day after day all I see is threads about how this Corporation are cheaters, or this other Corporation is doomed to fail because we're better, or this asset is OP and me and everyone I know will leave the game if you don't nerf it completely, and the list just goes on and on.

I thought General Discussion on the EVE forums was bad, and I've made jokes about other game forums being worse, but while those other games had many people getting on each other about in-game issues, these and the Planetside 2 forums are the only ones I've been on where people get so hostile and vindictive toward each other, nevermind the game.

I've had a few members of this community that I actually looked up to, that I saw as a beacon of reason in the sea of angst and backbiting, and recent events have made me see that they were all the same as the others that have come and gone, tried to be good men and been consumed. In keeping with the tone of this sob story, I'll leave identities to the imagination, because they don't really matter anyway.

I guess what I want from this thread is for everyone who reads it to just take a step back and examine what the feel, and how they want to go about supporting or discussing it. I strongly believe that all the people who post here are good people, but we're letting ourselves get wound up in all the negativity and not getting anything done but starting all these feuds that have led to our current state of not being able to get consensus on even the simplest topics that most of us actually agree on.

I'm not really sure why I started this other than that I felt like I wanted to make a statement, but I guess the thing to draw from it is that we're all here together because we find something in this game that we enjoy, or we see the potential for it to get better. Even the ones who post about being gone forever that say they're just around to laugh at those foolish enough to stay still come back when the patches drop, even if they do leave again.

For better or worse we're all here, and we might as well try and work together to accomplish something. That's all.

Swords are forged in fire and flames. We are making swords out of you.