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Mobius Wyvern wrote:

Malek McRoland wrote:

The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general.

This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen.

We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can *gasp!* commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter.

Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe.

I actually agree with your assessment. I feel that way myself.

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Mobius Wyvern Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4212	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:20:00 - [1] - Quote You know, I've posted in threads like these before saying all the usual **** about "HTFU" and "QQ" but when I was talking to a good friend of mine today, I finally came to a realization that was rather sobering. One of the central pillars of the EVE community is the sense of community itself. From people who like opposing playstyles all the way up to massive coalitions who spend all their time killing each other, come FanFest they would all get together for a beer and a laugh and swap stories. I can't see that in Dust. I could actually see that turning into fistfights. The problem with this community is that attempting to be part of it takes good people and turns them into something else. Day after day all I see is threads about how this Corporation are cheaters, or this other Corporation is doomed to fail because we're better, or this asset is OP and me and everyone I know will leave the game if you don't nerf it completely, and the list just goes on and on. I thought General Discussion on the EVE forums was bad, and I've made jokes about other game forums being worse, but while those other games had many people getting on each other about in-game issues, these and the Planetside 2 forums are the only ones I've been on where people get so hostile and vindictive toward each other, nevermind the game. I've had a few members of this community that I actually looked up to, that I saw as a beacon of reason in the sea of angst and backbiting, and recent events have made me see that they were all the same as the others that have come and gone, tried to be good men and been consumed. In keeping with the tone of this sob story, I'll leave identities to the imagination, because they don't really matter anyway. I guess what I want from this thread is for everyone who reads it to just take a step back and examine what the feel, and how they want to go about supporting or discussing it. I strongly believe that all the people who post here are good people, but we're letting ourselves get wound up in all the negativity and not getting anything done but starting all these feuds that have led to our current state of not being able to get consensus on even the simplest topics that most of us actually agree on. I'm not really sure why I started this other than that I felt like I wanted to make a statement, but I guess the thing to draw from it is that we're all here together because we find something in this game that we enjoy, or we see the potential for it to get better. Even the ones who post about being gone forever that say they're just around to laugh at those foolish enough to stay still come back when the patches drop, even if they do leave again. For better or worse we're all here, and we might as well try and work together to accomplish something. That's all. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Galm Fae Eskola Ergonomics 162	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:31:00 - [2] - Quote I have to admit, so far (out side of my lovely friends I commiserate with in the summit, love y'all) this community has been the worst gaming community I've ever been a part of... And that includes the Call of Duty zombies community, which is saying something. CCP could be doing better, sure. After all, EVE sucked when it first came out. But the real issue here is how horrible the player base is to the developers and eachother. *In the moment when I truly understand my enemy, understand him well enough to defeat him, then I also love him.*
Cosgar ParagonX 8987	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:35:00 - [3] - Quote We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Michael Arck Onuoto Uakan Huogaatsu 2419	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:45:00 - [4] - Quote lol speak for yourself, I'm not a self entitled brat. But great OP. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. For the State!! [email protected]
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 776	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:47:00 - [5] - Quote People are whiny and bitter for whatever reason. I think the Anti-Proto Griefing was the last straw for me on defending the community. I mean sure, if you wanted to grief just because, sure but some people believe that griefing protos in FW would stop them from using Proto in pubs when the exact opposite would happen. Let's not forget the constant QQing about CCP not listening to us but then they listen to the wrong people. Most of it is just to make themselves feel better. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Agent Monroe Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 23	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:57:00 - [6] - Quote The Forums are for the players who are bored of the game and would rather do this then play the game. Really I haven't played Dust in a few days, PS3 is right next to me and I'd rather jump on the forums. I know it's all the same rants, nerf this nerf that, same topics different victims. Only real reason to come on here is to enjoy the RP threads. This message was brought to you by Gives Zero Flux. (Insert Witty Ad Here)
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 877	Posted - 2013.12.23 03:58:00 - [7] - Quote yea, I see that. Quote: There's no meaningful difference between a real and a virtual world. It's pointless to ask anyone who they really are. All you can do is accept and believe in them. because who ever they are in your mind, is their true identity. Quote: Battle not with monsters, lest ye become a monster, and if you gaze into the abyss, the abyss gazes also into you. Quote: It is the mark of an educated mind to be able to entertain a thought without accepting it. (who ever wears this as their sig +1 to you sir) just some words to live by. tensions tend to run high when everything matters. I see hate, anger, and rage, everyday on the forums I myself am guilty of rage posting and derailing threads simply because I had already read that post a hundred times by different authors. I don't go to the war room anymore it is poison of the soul to read what's posted in that den of disparity. dust is a family a dysfunctional family but a family I haven't been on comms(and spoken with, there are people that I mute) that I wouldn't grab a brew with. I really, really hope that others feel the same way because at the end of the day business is business and once I hang up my rifle and polish my gk.0 it's high fives and beers all around. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 727	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:04:00 - [8] - Quote Hmmm.... what's there in common between PS2 and Dust? Lets connect the dots. F2P FPS is the answer - this is the root problem. EVE is an MMO the sense of community is in the center of any successful MMO - players identify themselves as citizens of whatever virtual world they play in. Dust is an FPS, it attracts and foster players who are aggressive and competitive a lot of whom are also pretty young - teens and very early 20s. If you throw an untoward monetization system in our case F2P that skews the balance of this competitive environment, you end up with a lot of angry ppl. Surely this is readily apparent to you, no? Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 727	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:08:00 - [9] - Quote Cosgar wrote: We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. Oh come on. We are not 'brats'. We are consumers who complain about a poorly made product offered to us under false advertisement. Honestly, I don't care if I make an impact on Development, I don't believe I will - and if so, as far as I am concerned, it's CCP's funeral and they can do as they please. I will however be heard otherwise, I am just folding in. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7591	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:15:00 - [10] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: Cosgar wrote: We're all self entitled brats that think we have a much larger presence in the development of this game. Truth of the matter is CCP will do what they want, when they want, and how they want. I've yet to see a player credited on a significant development change, even if it was done in the the same proposed manner. It may be your idea, but CCP codes it and you can bet your biomass ass that they're going to take credit or claim it was part of that invisible road map. The people that don't regularly post on the forums are the Dust 514 community. We're just a dive bar full of bitter vets and trolls with nothing else better to do. Oh come on. We are not 'brats'. We are consumers who complain about a poorly made product offered to us under false advertisement. Honestly, I don't care if I make an impact on Development, I don't believe I will - and if so, as far as I am concerned, it's CCP's funeral and they can do as they please. I will however be heard otherwise, I am just folding in. The game is free. The products you buy are what you can really feel entitled about, which is basically just the micro-transactions. The vast majority of the game you did not pay for, so feeling entitled doesn't make sense. You can feel entitled about the various packs, the value of aurum, the usefulness of various aurum items, because you payed for those, but not other stuff. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:21:00 - [11] - Quote The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Mobius Wyvern Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 4219	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:27:00 - [12] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. I actually agree with your assessment. I feel that way myself. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
DUST 514 Player 12345678914 Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 586	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:33:00 - [13] - Quote I dunno, wanting to watch the whole world burn has its quaint charms. You have a lot to answer for.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:36:00 - [14] - Quote Mobius Wyvern wrote: Malek McRoland wrote: The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. I actually agree with your assessment. I feel that way myself. Thanks. And at least its a sensible point of view. This game merely mirrors how society is: always wanting more, yet we rely on CCP to bring us content to improve our gaming life. We can either choose to abuse the mechanics of the game and start a tidalwave of negative feedback, or try to use the tools to show how Dust is still a fun and viable game. Granted, the content is coming soonTM, but we don't have the keyboard to put stuff in ourselves. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 877	Posted - 2013.12.23 04:36:00 - [15] - Quote DUST 514 Player 12345678914 wrote: I dunno, wanting to watch the whole world burn has its quaint charms. would be better with some music though... perhaps a fiddle? "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Brass Stalker Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 21	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:15:00 - [16] - Quote free roam maps with public chat box or some form of recreation. the community dosent suck its the design of the game itself. chat box is hidden from sight. no social interaction like other ftp games. your player model stuck in his prison cell of a room, untill he gets let out for the sole purpose of killing. no exploration no mini games, base building, creativity is relegated to sp allocation. people love to roll play and help eachother but this game is cold and unforgiving which largley takes away a sense of contibution from many and frustrates them. thats what you see on these forums. not ****** people. theyre just frustrated by a lack of creative control. which is how the game was presented by ccp originaly.
pseudosnipre 410	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:28:00 - [17] - Quote Most outspoken forum trolls and elite players would NEVER go to a live event. Think about it: unless they are Adonis in a stretch limo their image has nowhere to go but down. Nobody cares if you have a 10+ KDR if you show up to prove that this is the best thing going on in your life right now...although the pictures would be glorious. Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you.
Badonk Adonk Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 86	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:31:00 - [18] - Quote Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya. HTFU op.
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 131	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:37:00 - [19] - Quote Badonk Adonk wrote: Kumbaya my lord, kumbaya. HTFU op. This. You obviously serve no purpose in this thread. BE GONE TROLL!!! Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Zekain K Expert Intervention Caldari State 895	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:39:00 - [20] - Quote uh huh. *CALDARI not so MASTER RACE* Forum Warrior Level: 10

Cosgar ParagonX 8992	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:40:00 - [21] - Quote Only thing we all have in common from bitter vet to blind fanbboy/girl or anything in between is that we all care about the game. Some people express it differently than others. I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 24	Posted - 2013.12.23 05:58:00 - [22] - Quote Malek McRoland wrote: The part people forget is that this is a game. We should all come here to enjoy playing, whether its the corporate espionage, Faction Warfare Role Playing, showing scrubs how to play or telling each other different ways to play the game in general. This is not reality! Dust....Molden Heath....New Eden.....these are all virtual spaces! And for those of you who realize this; kudos. For the rest that grief new players and constantly want their own playstyle/weapon/vehicle to be the best in the game forever-this game is not about instant gratification or your selfish kd/r obsession. This game, along with Eve (although not a player myself, I've read a lot about Eve from the Second Decade) is based on a longer time table; a chance to create your own path as a mercenary, a corporate monster, or the best dropship pilot that can sway a battle. But its a progressive line, not instant, that allows this to happen. We are spoiled with FPS games. All of them offer cool stuff, but are cookie cutter copies of Doom, Wolfenstein, Goldeneye, and others that have followed. Dust is an evolving game, and unless you can gasp! commit to the fact this game will forever be a building process, you will never be happy; never be fulfilled and searching for the next cool shooter. Of course that's just my .02 ISK......regardless of anyone might say, that's what I feel/believe. I'm gonna counter your "This is not relality" with the existential observation that reality is what you perceive. There are many arguments that our current reality is actually a blend of our real life, our digital lives, and how we imagine and envision ourselves in all of these. I would say that to many of us our DUST persona is very much a reflection of ourselves. All this being said I agree that too many people are concerned about their KDR and less with the future of the game and its growth. Frankly I'm rooting to see DUST hold strong for over a decade and become an MMO in its own right. Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 24	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:01:00 - [23] - Quote And I would love to have a beer with all of ya in a dive bar :) Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Oswald Rehnquist 947	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:22:00 - [24] - Quote I know what you mean, since this is my first time where I spent any amount of time on a gaming forum definitely an eye opener, many are fine but there is definitely a sizable group of people who seem pretty immature, angry, and funny enough don't seem to know how to actually discuss things. Though I would image that would be pretty normal considering that this is a fps forum, I've been told the other fps forums are actually worse. I usually just take it with a grain of salt and try to treat people as if I were facing them in person regardless, which usually means you listen, agree/disagree with them and the reasons why. It doesn't seem too hard the the autonomy of the internet plus the fps age group is what we have to work with. Also some subgroups/people are worse than others when it comes to handling discussions. And I'm not perfecatly immune from all the effects either. But I will say that there is indeed a dust community and I do believe the majority is functional, where the vocal few or those with clout who can't talk just give off the impression of a broken community. Below 28 dB
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 24	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:25:00 - [25] - Quote Oswald... you're buying first round ;) Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4687	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:29:00 - [26] - Quote Cosgar wrote: it was part of that invisible road map. This made me laugh So right... but wait for IW to come here and say CCP has a roadmap, and we're just blind. ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
Oswald Rehnquist 947	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:33:00 - [27] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Oswald... you're buying first round ;) More of a wine guy personally, and only in moderation. If there is a group of you guys in Sol Cal, I've no qualms with restaurant or bar meet ups assuming the scheduling works. Below 28 dB
Malek McRoland DUST University Ivy League 134	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:34:00 - [28] - Quote Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Oswald... you're buying first round ;) I second this lol. But Oswald hit a point: not many know how to talk on these forums constructively. It involves too many egos just for an FPS in its infancy, just in terms of content alone. And even though you see other forums of other games being a lot worse, I think it is somewhat midigated by the presence of the devs here. Loyal Amarr and Caldari supporter Don't even start with AV and how tanks are not OP.
Chesyre Armundsen Thanes Of Dust 25	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:35:00 - [29] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: Chesyre Armundsen wrote: Oswald... you're buying first round ;) More of a wine guy personally, and only in moderation. If there is a group of you guys in Sol Cal, I've no qualms with restaurant or bar meet ups assuming the scheduling works. Southern Alberta actually... but I appreciate the offer lol Mihi gravato Deus - "May the gods place the burden upon us"
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1398	Posted - 2013.12.23 06:51:00 - [30] - Quote It's not that hard to really not understand. Eve is a mmo. mmo communities are like anime communityes to me. no matter what anime you like, you all come together to enjoy anime. FPS games (like PS2) Are like gladiator games. Think football. It's.... more complicated. Just liking football doesn't mean you can stick ravens and patriots fans in the same room and expect it to go smoothly. different genres man. People take their teams to heart. And FPS games, players take their battles to heart. But you can have mutual common ground. and many do. But I see nothing wrong in it. FPS are not building anything. They are what they are. Arenas for the battle of the gods.



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