Tanks were actually harder to kill in chrome. Tanks would cycle 2-3 hardeners and a booster. There was no period of weakness. It took teams of AV working together to kill a tank and those who knew what they were doing, did it regularly. I remember being in a 2.25mil tank chasing down a helpless grunt...into an ambush. All around me F-45s, proximines, swarms, and forges started ripping my 20,000 ehp tank to shreds. I had all my hardness on and got away with 500 armor. I thought I was safe, then a yolo nade hit me and I lost 2.25mil.
AV understood that tankers who know their art follow a set doctrine developed over time. By understanding their prey, they could exploit its weakness.

Post 1.0 and before 1.7, people got used to soloing tanks. It was extremely easy. So much so that all it did was breed the best tankers Dust has ever seen and likely ever will. The weak links have been washed out and all that remains are <20 fierce death machines who, in a duel, are the only people cape able of killing eachother. That aside, tanks seem OP because everyone was used to being able to solo them. Now it isn't possible if the tank is running hardeners and can smash through anything for <1min. Then it's glass. The infantry make the mistake of engaging during the strong periods and thus, seem like the tank is invincible. Even tanks have trouble smashing through nearly 95% resistance that gunlogis get with 2 hardeners. Tankers...the good ones...exploring this by causing their enemy to prematurely activate their hardeners and then lure them into an ambush or per sue them when they're weak. It's very possible for a gunlogi rail to solo a blaster Maddy at <15m this way. Also take into account that tanks charge when they see red because they know that they can win. This is just too easy to exploit.

I'm starting to see people do this now. Yesterday, I was killed by two people. One with a mlt swarm and the other with a wiki swarm. The mlt guy shot me and I activated my hardeners. When my hardeners cut off, the proto swarm killed my in 0.6 seconds with two volleys from 50m because he knew I couldn't run away at that range. It was beautiful, honestly. I did my best and he knew what I would do, so he won. It was tactics on both of our sides. People need to learn how to read the battlefield. Tanks are easier to kill than ever, but one must wait for their hardeners to shut down. It's really that simple. Stop the QQ and adapt just like the true tankers did every patch.

You don't tank, obviously.

Also, I always run with a team. Most tanks do. 1 tank isn't an easy target...unless it's me ;)

Tanks were actually harder to kill in chrome. Tanks would cycle 2-3 hardeners and a booster. There was no period of weakness. It took teams of AV working together to kill a tank and those who knew what they were doing, did it regularly. I remember being in a 2.25mil tank chasing down a helpless grunt...into an ambush. All around me F-45s, proximines, swarms, and forges started ripping my 20,000 ehp tank to shreds. I had all my hardness on and got away with 500 armor. I thought I was safe, then a yolo nade hit me and I lost 2.25mil.
AV understood that tankers who know their art follow a set doctrine developed over time. By understanding their prey, they could exploit its weakness.

Post 1.0 and before 1.7, people got used to soloing tanks. It was extremely easy. So much so that all it did was breed the best tankers Dust has ever seen and likely ever will. The weak links have been washed out and all that remains are <20 fierce death machines who, in a duel, are the only people cape able of killing eachother. That aside, tanks seem OP because everyone was used to being able to solo them. Now it isn't possible if the tank is running hardeners and can smash through anything for <1min. Then it's glass. The infantry make the mistake of engaging during the strong periods and thus, seem like the tank is invincible. Even tanks have trouble smashing through nearly 95% resistance that gunlogis get with 2 hardeners. Tankers...the good ones...exploring this by causing their enemy to prematurely activate their hardeners and then lure them into an ambush or per sue them when they're weak. It's very possible for a gunlogi rail to solo a blaster Maddy at <15m this way. Also take into account that tanks charge when they see red because they know that they can win. This is just too easy to exploit.

I'm starting to see people do this now. Yesterday, I was killed by two people. One with a mlt swarm and the other with a wiki swarm. The mlt guy shot me and I activated my hardeners. When my hardeners cut off, the proto swarm killed my in 0.6 seconds with two volleys from 50m because he knew I couldn't run away at that range. It was beautiful, honestly. I did my best and he knew what I would do, so he won. It was tactics on both of our sides. People need to learn how to read the battlefield. Tanks are easier to kill than ever, but one must wait for their hardeners to shut down. It's really that simple. Stop the QQ and adapt just like the true tankers did every patch.

See my above post.

Sure, we can run solo, but so can the common infantryman. But of course, we like to use teamwork to make us better off. So does the common infantryman when they team up with a heavy, a logi, and an assault.

You are stubborn when you keep failing to realize the good tankers use teamwork. I will always have at least one small turret on my tank for a squad member, or even a blueberry, because it helps with anti-infantry duties. Sure some blueberries are annoying, but I've recently only been coming across decent gunners. I always prefer to be in a squad, and I always rely on them to give me enemy positions.

I've taken out many vehicles because I had my squad members point out their position and movement so I could get the jump on them from behind. I've even had cases where I knew I was going to lose a battle against a Madrugar if it was only me, but I had the squad commander drop an OB on the Madrugar while we were engaged. I was basically using myself as a lure to bait the Madrugar into a trap. In fact, I was an expensive lure because I was with my Falchion, so of course he'd bite, only to get barraged by proto missiles and bombarded from orbit.

Because I saw red. Red must be dead. Don't lie and say you never chased a tank into the redline to kill it.

I was playing vs Bad Furry and others in Skirmish yesterday, I tore apart most of the vehicles and infantry (lol that too) with my forge but I died once at the end for not learning how to use cover.

Nobody seems to aim at tank's weak spot these days...

My Swarms always hit the weak-spot of tanks.

Adapting tactics to meet challenges arising from shifts in the metagame...

Who woulda thought?

While 5 tanks on the other team can be annoying, they're not that hard to avoid most times

There are only two maps in this entire game that allow you to avoid vehicles while still being able to achieve victory.

You like to, but are you required to? No. So should AV be required to? No.

Stubborn? How? By calling pilot's BS when they try to BS people about how vehicles (bar Dropships) require teamwork? I believe you are stubborn in the sense that none of that stuff you nor anyone else on this entire forum (since the time of my first post) have ever once even came close to mentioning how any vehicle in this game (bar Dropships) require any form of anything that would even remotely resemble or constitute teamwork in any fashion, condition, shape or form.

You still could have destroyed the Madrugar without using your squad's Warbarge Strike. You couldn't have possible ever been 100% certain that you would be destroyed by the Madrugar simply because it is a Madrugar. You have no idea the pilot's fittings, nor ability. Also, since you were using a Falchion, I'm going to assume that you were either using a Railgun or a Missile Turret. Both would have easily given you the edge over that Madrugar.

Your cowardice does not count as a reason as to why vehicles require teamwork. Nor does simply deciding to use teamwork.

Good tanker? There is no such thing. To be a "good" tanker would imply that tanks require skill beyond the activation of hardners and rotating the joysticks to control the camera and turret. Along with firing R1. Assault Rifles require more skill than tanks.

Unless by skill, you are referring to actual Skill Points. In which case, yes I would agree that piloting a tank requires immense amounts of "skill"

If they did you wouldn't be bitching.....

I like how you tell us what those maps are in your post and why the other maps don't allow you to win. I especially like the detailed reasoning you provided.

Tanks were actually harder to kill in chrome. Tanks would cycle 2-3 hardeners and a booster. There was no period of weakness. It took teams of AV working together to kill a tank and those who knew what they were doing, did it regularly. I remember being in a 2.25mil tank chasing down a helpless grunt...into an ambush. All around me F-45s, proximines, swarms, and forges started ripping my 20,000 ehp tank to shreds. I had all my hardness on and got away with 500 armor. I thought I was safe, then a yolo nade hit me and I lost 2.25mil.
AV understood that tankers who know their art follow a set doctrine developed over time. By understanding their prey, they could exploit its weakness.

Post 1.0 and before 1.7, people got used to soloing tanks. It was extremely easy. So much so that all it did was breed the best tankers Dust has ever seen and likely ever will. The weak links have been washed out and all that remains are <20 fierce death machines who, in a duel, are the only people cape able of killing eachother. That aside, tanks seem OP because everyone was used to being able to solo them. Now it isn't possible if the tank is running hardeners and can smash through anything for <1min. Then it's glass. The infantry make the mistake of engaging during the strong periods and thus, seem like the tank is invincible. Even tanks have trouble smashing through nearly 95% resistance that gunlogis get with 2 hardeners. Tankers...the good ones...exploring this by causing their enemy to prematurely activate their hardeners and then lure them into an ambush or per sue them when they're weak. It's very possible for a gunlogi rail to solo a blaster Maddy at <15m this way. Also take into account that tanks charge when they see red because they know that they can win. This is just too easy to exploit.

I'm starting to see people do this now. Yesterday, I was killed by two people. One with a mlt swarm and the other with a wiki swarm. The mlt guy shot me and I activated my hardeners. When my hardeners cut off, the proto swarm killed my in 0.6 seconds with two volleys from 50m because he knew I couldn't run away at that range. It was beautiful, honestly. I did my best and he knew what I would do, so he won. It was tactics on both of our sides. People need to learn how to read the battlefield. Tanks are easier to kill than ever, but one must wait for their hardeners to shut down. It's really that simple. Stop the QQ and adapt just like the true tankers did every patch.

I put 4-6+ mil into AV.

Should I "stomp"

So basically your upset because people finally realized that they shouldn't be forced to use tactics to defeat you when you yourself aren't forced to in any way, condition, shape, or form?

If it takes having 9-12 seconds of unobstructed LOS to Kill you if your hardeners are already down and you don't have reppers, how is that balanced?

Generally good tank fits require me to reload my tier 4 prof 4 double complex modded AFG to kill them with hardeners down, and with hardeners up it is futile to even attack at all. I don't know, maybe easy for us has different meanings.

It's easy for you to kill infantry, AV in under two seconds, or one direct rail hit. You can attack infantry and installations and even jump on other tanks without modules active.

I have to wait for your weak period (If you have one and aren't running 2-3 hardeners) and take upwards of 6 times as long to kill you as it takes you to kill me. And I can't flee at near LAV speeds at low health.

Dunno, I am not crying major nerf or tanks are god mode, but it certainly is not balanced.

The art of Tanking was lost after Uprising 1.7

Oo

Yeah some AV have wised up. Even myself, if I'm facing another gunnlogi and am running missiles, will WAIT for the hardener to drop.

As soon as that thing drops, they are toast.

I like that AV tactic.

NOOOO IT'S NOT FAIR TO HAVE TO USE TEAMWORK!! I DEMAND TO BE ABLE TO SOLO WITH MINIMAL EFFORT, RISK AND INVESTMENT!! - said all pilots, ever.

As expected.

Vehicles are OP simply because they require teamwork to destroy, yet require no teamwork to operate whatsoever.

I was perfectly fine with AV not needing teamwork because HAVs also didn't need teamwork either.

Going back on what I said? How? What I said was "AV shouldn't be required to use teamwork because HAVs aren't". Heck, I even made a thread about why it's a bad idea.

I also said that if AV should require teamwork, then HAVs should as well. Which is far from what we have as of current.

Please tell me Char. Why should AV be forced to use teamwork, when HAVs aren't?

Why should I be able to hop into a tank as a single unit and require 3-6 people to destroy me?

Why should 1>3?

Please also refrain from spew BS about vehicles requiring teamwork. As with me spending 7 months piloting tanks and having an end total of around 7mil invested (pre 1.7), you cannot tell me that they require teamwork, as they clearly don't.

But I'd love to see you try.... I'd even pay AUR for the delight.

I was AV all the time in Chromosome. Though, it was A LOT easier back then. No scanners, tanks were easy to sneak up on and you rarely fought any infantry above standard, forget about Proto.


AV is just harder now, you have to usually run a well coordinated squad; two AV guys, two Assaults and two Logi's. That's the Dust Dream squad.

I don't think that's fair. Tanks are force multipliers while AV reduces your overall force. If it takes 3 guys to take down one tank then the team not only added two more players worth of force to their team, but also managed to distract three of your teammates while harassing the rest.

Funny, and yet still expected. The last person who said I don't tank (Anmol Singh) ended up having to swallow a bucket of "I told you so" when I squaded up with him.

How does a tank require teamwork? I can (and have) done just as well running my tank solo as I have with a squad. Heck, sometimes I I even perform BETTER when I'm running solo. (Then again, I always do better solo)

Now tell me. What part of that are you required to do?

My Swarms always hit the weak-spot of tanks.

FTFY

So basically your upset because people finally realized that they shouldn't be forced to use tactics to defeat you when you yourself aren't forced to in any way, condition, shape, or form?

Infantry didn't have to do anything difficult from when Uprising first dropped, to Dec. 9th. Now you're all complaining that you can't solo tanks anymore.

You call yourself a tanker, yet have been on a crusade against the very thing you were skilled into.

Have you destroyed any tanks since 1.7 dropped?

And what did that video result in? You being destroyed by a MLT missile turret. Of course, when on video you chose to do the thing that in some cases is easier, but you still got popped. You're just terrible at vehicles.

If you have the capability to record, then do it. I'm a full time tanker. You're just infantry.

Now now child, profanity is bad.

Again, there you are about "your swarms," instead of "I can do this and this in my tank." It's always "my swarms."

Bro, do you even Scout? or Heavy? or Commando? or Laser Rifle? or anything?

(Don't answer that 2nd part. I already saw you camping on that tower with a forge & PRO Heavy once.)


I am not on a crusade against vehicles; And I am a tanker. Dispute it as much as you want but it is FACT. Not Pilot Fiction that people like you and Char like to tell at the dinner table.

Have I destroyed tanks? Yes. However I have only destroyed vehicle pilots with my swarms when they were too dumb to activate the hardner(s).

For pilots with an IQ greater than 5 (Yes, the term actually exists), I have to resort to one of my old methods. The good old Boundless Proxies next to Boundless REs trick. Idiots fall for it all the time (including you).

Now tell me, what happens when I run into a pilot who actually knows what they are doing? What if I don't want to use my tank? What if somebody doesn't have a tanker with them? Tank 514. That's what.