DUST Search - bailing out of tank BS

DUST Fiend wrote:

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

You don't know what figurative language is, do you?

Your attempt at a point doesn't really matter if someone's still losing their ALMOST (not actually) free tank multiple times in a match.

A good player in a Protosuit can afford 3 or 4 in a match pretty comfortably, and will frequently NOT die even that often, remaining in their suit the whole battle AND still making a profit. A competent tanker with a cheap enough Militia tank to actually afford more than 2 in a single match will still be dying regularly, and occasionally coming out with a loss in ISK if they don't revert to even cheaper infantry fittings to avoid going negative.

When you're running Proto gear and it looks like you're going to go negative if you don't cut back, you can still cut back while filling the same battlefield role. Tanks can't do the same.

You're comparing prototype gear that takes months of grinding to unlock, to militia tanks that are unlocked at character creation.

And you don't see the problem with this?

You can afford 3-4 militia tanks per battle (65k for mine with no BPOs equipped), and if you lose more than two you're doing something very wrong or the enemy just has their **** in order.

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Aqua-Regia 583	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:07:00 - [1] - Quote CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò
ResistanceGTA Valor Tactical Operations Immortal Coalition of New-Eden 76	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:08:00 - [2] - Quote 30 seconds, really? Troll?
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9131	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:08:00 - [3] - Quote People do it because militia tanks are free. 3 in a bad match, 4 in a descent match. At least make them cost ISK so they lose something for being bad at DUST. Vids / O7
Aqua-Regia 583	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:25:00 - [4] - Quote No troll, IF I "F U C K" YOUR TANK UP YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUMP OUT BY PRESSING one button. If you think your a skill tank driver fight till the end, than bailing out and running like a sissy. sorry cap-lock was on. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò
GRIM GEAR NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 134	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:27:00 - [5] - Quote I agree with the op fark everyone and their farking tank spamming. Anyone who calls in a tank deserves to go down with the farking ship. It's a bird! No it's a plane! Never mind it's just my shotgun in your face!
Anmol Singh The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 584	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:30:00 - [6] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. If you're gonna die, you have no right to change your suit at a supply depot for 50 seconds... *Sagaris lover!!!* Commando <3
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4236	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:32:00 - [7] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: People do it because militia tanks are free. 3 in a bad match, 4 in a descent match. At least make them cost ISK so they lose something for being bad at DUST. I didn't get my free Militia tanks. CCP, why do I have to pay more than 50k per tank when apparently some people get them free? Oh, right, this "free tanks" thing was a flat out LIE. You get Militia DROPSUITS for free with Starter Fits. You don't get free VEHICLES. And you CERTAINLY don't get free TANKS. They're cheap (until you fit... ANYTHING on them), but they are most definitely NOT free.
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9132	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:35:00 - [8] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: People do it because militia tanks are free. 3 in a bad match, 4 in a descent match. At least make them cost ISK so they lose something for being bad at DUST. I didn't get my free Militia tanks. CCP, why do I have to pay more than 50k per tank when apparently some people get them free? Oh, right, this "free tanks" thing was a flat out LIE. You get Militia DROPSUITS for free with Starter Fits. You don't get free VEHICLES. And you CERTAINLY don't get free TANKS. They're cheap (until you fit... ANYTHING on them), but they are most definitely NOT free. You don't know what figurative language is, do you? Vids / O7
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 702	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:38:00 - [9] - Quote This is really, really stupid. Is someone bailing out of a tank really enough to rustle your jimmies? CCP, Geth Infiltrator is OP! plz nerf.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4236	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:42:00 - [10] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You don't know what figurative language is, do you? Your attempt at a point doesn't really matter if someone's still losing their ALMOST (not actually) free tank multiple times in a match. A good player in a Protosuit can afford 3 or 4 in a match pretty comfortably, and will frequently NOT die even that often, remaining in their suit the whole battle AND still making a profit. A competent tanker with a cheap enough Militia tank to actually afford more than 2 in a single match will still be dying regularly, and occasionally coming out with a loss in ISK if they don't revert to even cheaper infantry fittings to avoid going negative. When you're running Proto gear and it looks like you're going to go negative if you don't cut back, you can still cut back while filling the same battlefield role. Tanks can't do the same.

ladwar Death by Disassociation Zero-Day 1926	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:42:00 - [11] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: People do it because militia tanks are free. 3 in a bad match, 4 in a descent match. At least make them cost ISK so they lose something for being bad at DUST. I didn't get my free Militia tanks. CCP, why do I have to pay more than 50k per tank when apparently some people get them free? Oh, right, this "free tanks" thing was a flat out LIE. You get Militia DROPSUITS for free with Starter Fits. You don't get free VEHICLES. And you CERTAINLY don't get free TANKS. They're cheap (until you fit... ANYTHING on them), but they are most definitely NOT free. You don't know what figurative language is, do you? nope, what is it? Level 2 Forum Warrior, retired vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth not looking for a corp, don't ask.
Pokey Dravon OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 1248	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:44:00 - [12] - Quote What about people who like to hop out of the tank to speed hack and objective and then hop back in? I can't afford to sit there for 30 seconds while I wait to get out. ADS Reports - Defining Racial Themes
Aqua-Regia 583	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:45:00 - [13] - Quote Anmol Singh wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. If you're gonna die, you have no right to change your suit at a supply depot for 50 seconds... I believe if you switch suit on a supply depot, you should have 50 EHP(25 Armor/ 25 Shield), no stamina and no Ammo. Then you have to wait for the supply give you ammo and your suit rep it self. NO Troll remove the cheap game play off dust. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò
Aqua-Regia 583	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:47:00 - [14] - Quote Pokey Dravon wrote: What about people who like to hop out of the tank to speed hack and objective and then hop back in? I can't afford to sit there for 30 seconds while I wait to get out. Get a LAV GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9132	Posted - 2013.12.19 04:51:00 - [15] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You don't know what figurative language is, do you? Your attempt at a point doesn't really matter if someone's still losing their ALMOST (not actually) free tank multiple times in a match. A good player in a Protosuit can afford 3 or 4 in a match pretty comfortably, and will frequently NOT die even that often, remaining in their suit the whole battle AND still making a profit. A competent tanker with a cheap enough Militia tank to actually afford more than 2 in a single match will still be dying regularly, and occasionally coming out with a loss in ISK if they don't revert to even cheaper infantry fittings to avoid going negative. When you're running Proto gear and it looks like you're going to go negative if you don't cut back, you can still cut back while filling the same battlefield role. Tanks can't do the same. You're comparing prototype gear that takes months of grinding to unlock, to militia tanks that are unlocked at character creation. And you don't see the problem with this? You can afford 3-4 militia tanks per battle (65k for mine with no BPOs equipped), and if you lose more than two you're doing something very wrong or the enemy just has their **** in order. Vids / O7
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4236	Posted - 2013.12.19 05:03:00 - [16] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Garrett Blacknova wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: You don't know what figurative language is, do you? Your attempt at a point doesn't really matter if someone's still losing their ALMOST (not actually) free tank multiple times in a match. A good player in a Protosuit can afford 3 or 4 in a match pretty comfortably, and will frequently NOT die even that often, remaining in their suit the whole battle AND still making a profit. A competent tanker with a cheap enough Militia tank to actually afford more than 2 in a single match will still be dying regularly, and occasionally coming out with a loss in ISK if they don't revert to even cheaper infantry fittings to avoid going negative. When you're running Proto gear and it looks like you're going to go negative if you don't cut back, you can still cut back while filling the same battlefield role. Tanks can't do the same. You're comparing prototype gear that takes months of grinding to unlock, to militia tanks that are unlocked at character creation. And you don't see the problem with this? You can afford 3-4 militia tanks per battle (65k for mine with no BPOs equipped), and if you lose more than two you're doing something very wrong or the enemy just has their **** in order. I'm comparing gear that performs similarly for the price paid in ISK, and pointing out that the gear in question performs similarly. As a new player, you CAN load up on Militia tanks and do better than is reasonable for someone in Militia gear. But you're paying more than is reasonable for someone using Militia gear, and you don't get a full upgrade tree like someone in any other Militia gear in the game is able to get. Vehicles get Militia and Standard. LITERALLY EVERYONE ELSE gets Advanced and Prototype on top. ALL current vehicles need a slight nerf to PG and CPU so that a pure Militia HAV fit with a full complement of weapons and modules will be a challenge without a lot of skilling, but you can comfortably fit about a 50/50 Militia/Standard loadout on a Militia HAV. Standard vehicles should be able to fit a full complement of Standard modules and weapons with maybe a couple of Advanced or ONE Prototype item, or you can leave slots open to cram a couple more high-tier upgrades on. Along with the above nerf, there will be room for Advanced and Prototype HAVs which are actually DESIGNED to fit the kind of loadouts we're currently seeing on half-Proto Militia HAVs and full-Proto Gunnlogis and Madrugars. Give a small nerf to Militia vehicle HP while you're at it, and maybe a VERY small buff to AV to avoid Prototanks getting any more hate than those Proto-ed out Standard tanks we have now and we should be about right.
Operative 1171 Aajli Bragian Order Amarr Empire 893	Posted - 2013.12.19 05:21:00 - [17] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. Lol. You have no right to respawn in another fit either but you do it. Do your part. Join the revolution. Sabotage FW. Help this game burn! BURN DUST 2014
Aqua-Regia 584	Posted - 2013.12.19 05:34:00 - [18] - Quote Operative 1171 Aajli wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. Lol. You have no right to respawn in another fit either but you do it. Troll more. Respawn can only happen once you die. Nearly all the 1.7 tanker you see are scrub, only try hard using cheap game play on bad mindless randoms. GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui KOBAYASHI MARU PROJECT 228	Posted - 2013.12.19 06:03:00 - [19] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. If this is the case with tanks then it should be for dropships as well . Fair is fair . The OP just sounds mad because he want's the kill as well as blowing up your tanks . The question is , " Do you jump out as well ??? " If you say that your SO good ( like I'm sure you will and like most would because I have NEVER seen such ego's before in my life ) that your tanks don't get destroyed then your lying , if you say NO then I'm sure that your lying again and maybe your just too slow to jump out before your tanks gets turned to dust so you figure , why should that just be you . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Ivy Zalinto Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 186	Posted - 2013.12.19 06:07:00 - [20] - Quote Maybe a small hatched based animation for the tanks, climbing into the lav's and stepping into a dropship would fix this. As it is, it doesnt bother me at all. I generally kill the person and seal the tank if their one shot from dead and I see the icon change. Stole one today actually, even laughed as his teammates came around to kill me. Feels good to be able to die without spending your money on it XD Dedicated scout. New player tutor; scout instructor Scrambler Pistol dedication

Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 4176	Posted - 2013.12.19 06:21:00 - [21] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: Anmol Singh wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. If you're gonna die, you have no right to change your suit at a supply depot for 50 seconds... I believe if you switch suit on a supply depot, you should have 50 EHP(25 Armor/ 25 Shield), no stamina and no Ammo. Then you have to wait for the supply give you ammo and your suit rep it self. NO Troll remove the cheap game play off dust. I had a thread up a while back for boarding animations for vehicles. A player should have to actually climb in and out of their vehicle instead of being able to just teleport into it. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Aqua-Regia 585	Posted - 2013.12.19 06:30:00 - [22] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. If this is the case with tanks then it should be for dropships as well . Fair is fair . The OP just sounds mad because he want's the kill as well as blowing up your tanks . The question is , " Do you jump out as well ??? " If you say that your SO good ( like I'm sure you will and like most would because I have NEVER seen such ego's before in my life ) that your tanks don't get destroyed then your lying , if you say NO then I'm sure that your lying again and maybe your just too slow to jump out before your tanks gets turned to dust so you figure , why should that just be you . I die a lot with my tank, been play like this since beta, and guys call me ** for not jumping out (I have my value as a tanker even when I die). GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó SoonGäó** GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò
Aqua-Regia 585	Posted - 2013.12.19 06:35:00 - [23] - Quote Ivy Zalinto wrote: Maybe a small hatched based animation for the tanks, climbing into the lav's and stepping into a dropship would fix this. As it is, it doesnt bother me at all. I generally kill the person and seal the tank if their one shot from dead and I see the icon change. Stole one today actually, even laughed as his teammates came around to kill me. Feels good to be able to die without spending your money on it XD That being said I always go down with my ship. Bad habit from battlefield about not letting the enemy have a chance at stealing my vehicle. Though both my gunners carry av grenades and swarm launchers plus those light railguns. Animation will take to long for CCP to put in. Just make a simple idea to input in the game than big one. CCP take to long on anything big(LOL or small). GòöGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòºGòùGöÉGòôBPO / BPC Collector Gòû Gòó *SoonGäó* GòáGò¬Gò¬GòºGòñGòñGò¬GòñGòºGòºGòñGòªGò¬GòñGò¬GòñGòºGò¼GòíHELLOGòPGûá GòÜGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGòñGò¥Dust 514 GòPGò¢§GòÆGòúJJIKKGòáGòò
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1986	Posted - 2013.12.19 12:45:00 - [24] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: CCP need to make it that you have to hold circle for 30sec before you can jump out the tank. If your tanks gonna pop you have no right to jump out the last the last sec. How about you kill the tank quicker so he doesnt have a chance to jump out? Intelligence is OP
R F Gyro Clones 4u 872	Posted - 2013.12.19 12:53:00 - [25] - Quote Is it actually a problem, or just something that makes you angry? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Izlare Lenix FREE AGENTS LP 39	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:05:00 - [26] - Quote 5 seconds seems better than 30. And I would support this only if you get kills when you blow a dropship up. They are hard as hell to destroy now but the pilot and passengers can still escape even after you technically blew it up. That is a stupid mechanic. Even a turret will kill me if I'm using it when it explodes but a pilot can still survive an exploding, burning ship crashing to the ground if he jumps out in time. Dumb. Also most people bail out of tanks now because tanks are stupid cheap. If the cost was increased, tanks would be used smarter, and players would try to save their precious, costly tank. Not just jump out of one on fire so they can call in a new fresh one. Also a delay between the time you exit one vehicle and call in another vehicle might help the spam problem and encourage tankers to not bail out of a dieing tank but rather try harder to save it.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 309	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:19:00 - [27] - Quote Aqua-Regia wrote: No troll, IF I "F U C K" YOUR TANK UP YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUMP OUT BY PRESSING one button. If you think your a skill tank driver fight till the end, than bailing out and running like a sissy. sorry cap-lock was on. It is a vehicle, with a door. That I can easily open, and step away from. LOL dude, OMG THAT DUDE JUMPED OUT OF MY TANK. YEAH I BLEW HIS TANK UP BUT HE DIDNT DIE. HOW UNFAIR IS THAT!!! Now kindly shut up. lol Nuff Said
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 309	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:25:00 - [28] - Quote Izlare Lenix wrote: 5 seconds seems better than 30. And I would support this only if you get kills when you blow a dropship up. They are hard as hell to destroy now but the pilot and passengers can still escape even after you technically blew it up. That is a stupid mechanic. Even a turret will kill me if I'm using it when it explodes but a pilot can still survive an exploding, burning ship crashing to the ground if he jumps out in time. Dumb. Also most people bail out of tanks now because tanks are stupid cheap. If the cost was increased, tanks would be used smarter, and players would try to save their precious, costly tank. Not just jump out of one on fire so they can call in a new fresh one. Also a delay between the time you exit one vehicle and call in another vehicle might help the spam problem and encourage tankers to not bail out of a dieing tank but rather try harder to save it. Yeah, and you can also step away from the turret. It's exactly like jumping out of your tank, but if you are in your tank and it blows up you die. Same as a freaking turret. What is wrong with you guys???? I mean really fellas, WE HAVE ALWAYS JUMPED OUT OF OUR TANKS BEFORE THEY BLEW IF WE COULD!!!! ALWAYS Now suddenly, it's a problem???? Clearly you all need to get your priorities straight here. Your problem, is the same as everyone elses. Tanks are a bit OP maybe. That's it. "NO, you call in a tank so you HAVE to die in it". Omg people, get real. The tank itself is worth more than your suit (mine at least). So it's kinda the SAME as getting a KILL. CRAZY crazy people. lol Nuff Said
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 39	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:27:00 - [29] - Quote ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals wrote: This is really, really stupid. Is someone bailing out of a tank really enough to rustle your jimmies? Yes. EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
Gorra Snell The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 323	Posted - 2013.12.19 13:33:00 - [30] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: You can afford 3-4 militia tanks per battle (65k for mine with no BPOs equipped), and if you lose more than two you're doing something very wrong or the enemy just has their **** in order. You're a good player...good enough that I think you've lost perspective on what the game's like for players in not in the upper echelons. I'd estimate that the lower half to two thirds of players in any given match get payouts around 160k to 180k...and no one's going to run an unfitted HAV, so militia fits actually cost ~80k. That's two per match, and palyers in the unskilled-average range can easily lose 3 or 4 per match. Militia is, and should be, priced for scrubs. RDVs are a failed experiment - can't we just remove them from the game?



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