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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
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Posted - 2013.12.17 01:12:00 -
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-This would fix needle spam pick up's and make them relevant as it could extend your clone termination timer, And would preserve player's raged about "KD/R's" and actually have them asking for a pick up as it would save their suit investment ISK.
Also will give an awesome dynamic for players to finish off "Downed" mercenaries to make sure they are truly dead.
I think the player that "Downed" the Mercenary should get credit for a kill. However the "Downed" Mercenary should not get penalized for a death until his clone is officially terminated.
Obviously there would have to be safe guard's put in place to prevent farming, Might i suggest a TKO rule where 3 "downs" in a 10 second window and your clone is lost? I'm sure you guy's have a good developer's bag of trick's to use for safeguards better then my suggestion.
-As it is slightly connected but would improve Ambush competition and the game mode massively. Mercenaries spawning into Ambush modes uses up one of the clones from the 50,80 totals. And it is the last man standing wins.
Often in Ambush one side will reach 0 clones before the other... Then the fight will continue until only one side is alive... Often the loosing side will pull together at the end and clone out the winning side before the match end's only to receive a loss. If every clone counted in Ambush and it was truly last man standing.. The game mode would really shine again.
Thanks for your consideration, Bethy |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2137
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Posted - 2013.12.17 01:24:00 -
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+1, but then the only problem would be that those who have died once the clone count reaches zero would be stuck waiting for the match to end. This already happens, and it is very annoying :3
When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE! nú+
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Jooki Chewaka
Stalking Wolfpack
48
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Posted - 2013.12.17 01:28:00 -
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+1 to both no death until DEAD and the ambush thing
See you from orbit
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
478
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Posted - 2013.12.17 01:30:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:+1, but then the only problem would be that those who have died once the clone count reaches zero would be stuck waiting for the match to end. This already happens, and it is very annoying :3
Yes it is. One day I hope to be able to view that mercenary in camera mode as we sit and wait. Would get everyone on comm's routing for one side or the other.
Also allow for massive learning potential to someone not fully comfortable with DUST to watch different playstyles of players.
Would be cool looking from the Big overall map and be able to select a mercenary to first person view.
until then Ambush truly being last man standing and a simple view of the overall map is enough for me to wait knowing that they might potentially pull out the win. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2141
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Posted - 2013.12.17 01:32:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Patrick57 wrote:+1, but then the only problem would be that those who have died once the clone count reaches zero would be stuck waiting for the match to end. This already happens, and it is very annoying :3 Yes it is. One day I hope to be able to view that mercenary in camera mode as we sit and wait. Would get everyone on comm's routing for one side or the other. Also allow for massive learning potential to someone not fully comfortable with DUST to watch different playstyles of players. Would be cool looking from the Big overall map and be able to select a mercenary to first person view. until then Ambush truly being last man standing and a simple view of the overall map is enough for me to wait knowing that they might potentially pull out the win. Unfortunately stuff like that is far away from Dust. It even took Dice (or whoever designed the game) until BF4 to introduce that, who KNOWS how long it'll take Dust. That would be a very neat and good idea though
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
478
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Posted - 2013.12.17 01:36:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Bethhy wrote:Patrick57 wrote:+1, but then the only problem would be that those who have died once the clone count reaches zero would be stuck waiting for the match to end. This already happens, and it is very annoying :3 Yes it is. One day I hope to be able to view that mercenary in camera mode as we sit and wait. Would get everyone on comm's routing for one side or the other. Also allow for massive learning potential to someone not fully comfortable with DUST to watch different playstyles of players. Would be cool looking from the Big overall map and be able to select a mercenary to first person view. until then Ambush truly being last man standing and a simple view of the overall map is enough for me to wait knowing that they might potentially pull out the win. Unfortunately stuff like that is far away from Dust. It even took Dice (or whoever designed the game) until BF4 to introduce that, who KNOWS how long it'll take Dust. That would be a very neat and good idea though
Yes it would.
We still get the big overall Deployment and orbital map screen when cloned out, zoomed in you can see a decent overlay of what is happening while your waiting. Some slight tweaks and that would be more then sufficient until the Developers really get to what they consider fun, not content but... Innovation. |
DootDoot
Da Short Buss
134
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Posted - 2013.12.17 02:06:00 -
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+1 for both, one of the most unique amazing factors of this game is the whole explanation around clones. More emphasis on this premise would only enhance this experience in DUST 514. As a Minmatar Logistics, I hate getting yelled at or feeling guilty for sacrificing a players score using my equipment to try and save that player money. This would allow me to fulfill my role of a Logistics much better, making the need to even use my gun less and less.. Which is truly what i feel Logistics are for, to revive, heal and support while slayer classes work their craft.
Any meaning to ambush for a Logistics, like the last man standing recommendation with clones feeling actually important will make that game mode a lot more exciting. As Ambush is currently for myself and my role, it isn't as enjoyable as Domination and Skirmish game modes where the pursuit of the win is an involved process. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
495
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Posted - 2013.12.17 04:46:00 -
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DootDoot wrote:+1 for both, one of the most unique amazing factors of this game is the whole explanation around clones. More emphasis on this premise would only enhance this experience in DUST 514. As a Minmatar Logistics, I hate getting yelled at or feeling guilty for sacrificing a players score using my equipment to try and save that player money. This would allow me to fulfill my role of a Logistics much better, making the need to even use my gun less and less.. Which is truly what i feel Logistics are for, to revive, heal and support while slayer classes work their craft.
Any meaning to ambush for a Logistics, like the last man standing recommendation with clones feeling actually important will make that game mode a lot more exciting. As Ambush is currently for myself and my role, it isn't as enjoyable as Domination and Skirmish game modes where the pursuit of the win is an involved process.
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8809
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Posted - 2013.12.17 05:26:00 -
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I support these products and/or services.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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General Erick
Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION
189
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Posted - 2013.12.17 08:30:00 -
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Who here gives a **** about their K/D? I sure as hell don't.
My Big Brother is watching you.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
498
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:20:00 -
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General Erick wrote:Who here gives a **** about their K/D? I sure as hell don't.
Yes some feel as you do and some will actually invest their ISK to improve their scores and results.. to each their own.
Rewarding someone with a needle and not penalizing the person who waits, hopefully thus making a time in DUST when everyone waits to be picked up until their clone is terminated with a few priority exceptions.
And refreshing Ambush mode bringing some enjoyment back into it. |
Vulpes Dolosus
SVER True Blood Public Disorder.
490
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Posted - 2013.12.17 17:42:00 -
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Wholly agree with the needle point.
Disagree with at the ambush change because you'll get people (like me!) who are the last ones standing in a proto-pubstomp and are running away to save a suit. If I hide the game will go on indefinitely, and if there's a timer then it's what we have now.
Dropship Specialist
Kills- Incubus: 3; Pythons: 0; Militia: 26; Tanks: 10
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Dustbunny Durrr
ReD or DeaD
5
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Posted - 2013.12.17 18:58:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:-This would fix needle spam pick up's and make them relevant as it could extend your clone termination timer, And would preserve player's raged about "KD/R's" and actually have them asking for a pick up as it would save their suit investment ISK.
Also will give an awesome dynamic for players to finish off "Downed" mercenaries to make sure they are truly dead.
I think the player that "Downed" the Mercenary should get credit for a kill. However the "Downed" Mercenary should not get penalized for a death until his clone is officially terminated.
Obviously there would have to be safe guard's put in place to prevent farming, Might i suggest a TKO rule where 3 "downs" in a 10 second window and your clone is lost? I'm sure you guy's have a good developer's bag of trick's to use for safeguards better then my suggestion.
-As it is slightly connected but would improve Ambush competition and the game mode massively. Mercenaries spawning into Ambush modes uses up one of the clones from the 50,80 totals. And it is the last man standing wins.
Often in Ambush one side will reach 0 clones before the other... Then the fight will continue until only one side is alive... Often the loosing side will pull together at the end and clone out the winning side before the match end's only to receive a loss. If every clone counted in Ambush and it was truly last man standing.. The game mode would really shine again.
Thanks for your consideration, Bethy
Good Lord Bethhy, I cant underestimate how many people have spoken this exact same idea to me. +1 for posting it, and hopefully CCP will see this.
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1177
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Posted - 2013.12.17 19:09:00 -
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Yes
"Just another piece of duct tape"
Drugs for mercs
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
504
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Posted - 2013.12.18 00:07:00 -
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Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Wholly agree with the needle point.
Disagree with at the ambush change because you'll get people (like me!) who are the last ones standing in a proto-pubstomp and are running away to save a suit. If I hide the game will go on indefinitely, and if there's a timer then it's what we have now.
The 15 minute timer in Ambush should always be present In my opinion, possibly leaving a "match draw" option if two are still left.
I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST. |
Fizzer94
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
1255
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Posted - 2013.12.18 01:19:00 -
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+1 40 WP for downing an enemy. 10 for finishing them off. 60 for headshot kills, because they down and kill at once.
The Player that downed them gets credit for the kill.
Fizzer94 // Level 1 Forum Warrior // PLASMA CANNONS FUCKING SUCK A BIG FAT DICK NOW, FIX THEM!
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Dustbunny Durrr
ReD or DeaD
10
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Posted - 2013.12.18 01:20:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Wholly agree with the needle point.
Disagree with at the ambush change because you'll get people (like me!) who are the last ones standing in a proto-pubstomp and are running away to save a suit. If I hide the game will go on indefinitely, and if there's a timer then it's what we have now. The 15 minute timer in Ambush should always be present In my opinion, possibly leaving a "match draw" option if two are still left. I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST.
If it does get down to 1v1 tho, whats to stop one player from hiding from the other, especially if they believe they are weaker. Good Lord, I've spent too much time with Goonswarm, the first thing I think about any tactic is how to abuse it, lol. |
Patrick57
Fatal Absolution
2171
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Posted - 2013.12.18 01:22:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Wholly agree with the needle point.
Disagree with at the ambush change because you'll get people (like me!) who are the last ones standing in a proto-pubstomp and are running away to save a suit. If I hide the game will go on indefinitely, and if there's a timer then it's what we have now. The 15 minute timer in Ambush should always be present In my opinion, possibly leaving a "match draw" option if two are still left. I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST. Maybe reduce the time to 10 minutes? Or 12? It could make the matches more interesting and more intense. But only reduce the time for 50 clone Ambush.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
506
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Posted - 2013.12.18 01:29:00 -
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Bethhy wrote: I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST.
Dustbunny Durrr wrote: If it does get down to 1v1 tho, whats to stop one player from hiding from the other, especially if they believe they are weaker. Good Lord, I've spent too much time with Goonswarm, the first thing I think about any tactic is how to abuse it, lol.
Omniscient meaning both players can see each other permanently as soon as it get's to that player count. Allowing for one player to chase the other one down, or both players to go for the win and many other options. Allowing for a lot of different dynamic's but counterable by all parties.
This of course may be more complicated on CCP's developing end then my biased gamer mind could comprehend, but I would hope it do-able. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
511
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Posted - 2013.12.18 16:08:00 -
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Zirzo Valcyn
Holdfast Syndicate Amarr Empire
8
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:49:00 -
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General Erick wrote:Who here gives a **** about their K/D? I sure as hell don't. typically it's the ppl with good ones who care and the ppl with bad ones who don't, same for the rest of the stats.
u can ban the troll out of the forums but u can't ban the forums out of the troll.
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Dustbunny Durrr
ReD or DeaD
12
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Posted - 2013.12.18 17:51:00 -
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Bethhy wrote:Bethhy wrote: I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST.
Dustbunny Durrr wrote: If it does get down to 1v1 tho, whats to stop one player from hiding from the other, especially if they believe they are weaker. Good Lord, I've spent too much time with Goonswarm, the first thing I think about any tactic is how to abuse it, lol.
Omniscient meaning both players can see each other permanently as soon as it get's to that player count. Allowing for one player to chase the other one down, or both players to go for the win and many other options. Allowing for a lot of different dynamic's but counterable by all parties. This of course may be more complicated on CCP's developing end then my biased gamer mind could comprehend, but I would hope it do-able.
I'm not against the idea, I'd actually be for it, if not for the ability to abuse the system and waste people's time. Think 3 heavy forge gunners set up shop atop a tall building. Who wants to call in a dropship and try and get them off? Not I. Or a scout suit running away from a heavy (around objects, keeping the divide always between the two).
If you figure out a way to stop stuff like that, then I'm all in for the idea. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
623
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:02:00 -
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Dustbunny Durrr wrote:Bethhy wrote:Bethhy wrote: I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST.
Dustbunny Durrr wrote: If it does get down to 1v1 tho, whats to stop one player from hiding from the other, especially if they believe they are weaker. Good Lord, I've spent too much time with Goonswarm, the first thing I think about any tactic is how to abuse it, lol.
Omniscient meaning both players can see each other permanently as soon as it get's to that player count. Allowing for one player to chase the other one down, or both players to go for the win and many other options. Allowing for a lot of different dynamic's but counterable by all parties. This of course may be more complicated on CCP's developing end then my biased gamer mind could comprehend, but I would hope it do-able. I'm not against the idea, I'd actually be for it, if not for the ability to abuse the system and waste people's time. Think 3 heavy forge gunners set up shop atop a tall building. Who wants to call in a dropship and try and get them off? Not I. Or a scout suit running away from a heavy (around objects, keeping the divide always between the two). If you figure out a way to stop stuff like that, then I'm all in for the idea.
We already wait... and some for several minutes while the Ambush wraps up. Doing it for a reason or actually having the clones matter would make it almost like another game mode.
Even if we moved the 50 Clone ambush under this format to a separate Game mode and called it "Last Clone Standing" Would offer a dynamic game mode with little Developer Time Investment. |
Talos Vagheitan
Ancient Exiles.
363
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:36:00 -
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I believe battlefield uses the system you propose, (being revived erases your death). Pro's and Con's I suppose.
If you defeat a player 1v1 it's simple, you get 1 kill, he gets 1 death. If he is revived, healed to 100% comes at you again, and loses again, shouldn't he have 2 deaths? He fairly lost 2 engagements. The only issue is getting shot 1 second after being revived. What's really fair here?
Here is my solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1488496#post1488496
Along with other improvements to the Nanite Injector, I would make it so for 10 seconds after you are revived, you are still on the same 'life'. If you are re-killed within 10 seconds of a revive, there will be no death or kill added to either players records.
Who cares what some sniper has to say
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
626
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Posted - 2014.01.02 00:45:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:I believe battlefield uses the system you propose, (being revived erases your death). Pro's and Con's I suppose. If you defeat a player 1v1 it's simple, you get 1 kill, he gets 1 death. If he is revived, healed to 100% comes at you again, and loses again, shouldn't he have 2 deaths? He fairly lost 2 engagements. The only issue is getting shot 1 second after being revived. What's really fair here? Here is my solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1488496#post1488496Along with other improvements to the Nanite Injector, I would make it so for 10 seconds after you are revived, you are still on the same 'life'. If you are re-killed within 10 seconds of a revive, there will be no death or kill added to either players records.
If it's a 1 vs 1 people will start shooting the "Downed" Clone to make sure he/she is truly "Dead". This will become a thing in DUST across the board a dynamic where people will try to finish off a "Downed" opponent to make sure they are truly "Dead" "Imagine the PC Dynamic, clone pack numbers become more viable even"
Death's are a staple of every FPS game out there. But DUST has a unique Clone aspect. You officially don't die until your consciousness is transferred into a new clone, that doesn't reflect on our score sheets as Mercenaries.
If no one is officially "Dieing" when someone is needle spamming a clone in the middle of the fight then all parties are fine with picking the mercenary up. Is it abusable? yes. but it is right now anyway and has been since Beta.. And when all parties can benefit from it in different ways then it is balanced?. The Person Shooting the Mercenary is fine with it. The Mercenary getting "Downed" has a potential to save their Suit investment while loosing no personal stats they bought the initial suit to improve on originally. And the Needle user is fine with continuing to pick up the Mercenary with clear conscience as long as they are alive to do so.
This will create a dynamic amoungst Needle users and "Downed" Mercenaries alike to wait for the full clone expirary timer in most instances and create the Trust between needle users and needle receivers. |
iliel
Capital Acquisitions LLC Public Disorder.
1
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Posted - 2014.01.02 18:19:00 -
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Talos Vagheitan wrote:I believe battlefield uses the system you propose, (being revived erases your death). Pro's and Con's I suppose. If you defeat a player 1v1 it's simple, you get 1 kill, he gets 1 death. If he is revived, healed to 100% comes at you again, and loses again, shouldn't he have 2 deaths? He fairly lost 2 engagements. The only issue is getting shot 1 second after being revived. What's really fair here? Here is my solution: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1488496#post1488496Along with other improvements to the Nanite Injector, I would make it so for 10 seconds after you are revived, you are still on the same 'life'. If you are re-killed within 10 seconds of a revive, there will be no death or kill added to either players records.
In a perfect world, where every gamer wants to play the game (rather than hide), the original poster's solution would work.
Your solution works against snipers. However, it doesn't work when some idiot rushes into an onslaught just to get the 60 points for revive. If I'm a heavy, or probably even an assault or scout, there's no way I'm getting far enough away in 10 seconds.
So, I think that my solution - - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=133222&find=unread - - even if more negative than either of yours, is the best.
If you revive someone for no reason except to get points (without any concern for the person you're reviving), then you should be punished.
That or let me turn off the revive possibility all together. For me, the only time I would ever want a needle is in PC, if losing on clones. |
Soraya Xel
The Corporate Raiders Top Men.
836
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Posted - 2014.01.02 19:56:00 -
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This would turn people ordinarily obsessed with nothing but K/D into people who valued good logistics. I approve.
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Komodo Jones
Chaotik Serenity
305
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Posted - 2014.01.03 00:47:00 -
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50 points for a down and an extra 5 for making sure they're terminated?
I mean technically you did get gunned down to the point where you've flatlined but I get it and it would make for more interesting gameplay than just immediately respawning when you get shot down.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
653
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:05:00 -
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Komodo Jones wrote:50 points for a down and an extra 5 for making sure they're terminated?
I mean technically you did get gunned down to the point where you've flatlined but I get it and it would make for more interesting gameplay than just immediately respawning when you get shot down.
Yup and 60 for the Headshot kill, as it is now.. because you terminated them in one action. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
491
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:50:00 -
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What about other methods of killing that also negate the possibility of being revived? Like grenades, forge guns... etc?
Should they get 60, like a headshot kill, or just 50 (or a middle ground)? Though extra war points for those methods could increase spam... (Such as for grenades)
And I would very much like a "last clone standing" mechanic, even in skirmish/domination. It would only be used in cases where one team is being cloned out.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
657
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Posted - 2014.01.03 03:52:00 -
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Vicious Minotaur wrote:What about other methods of killing that also negate the possibility of being revived? Like grenades, forge guns... etc?
Should they get 60, like a headshot kill, or just 50 (or a middle ground)? Though extra war points for those methods could increase spam... (Such as for grenades)
And I would very much like a "last clone standing" mechanic, even in skirmish/domination. It would only be used in cases where one team is being cloned out.
IMO AOE should never get rewarded for effort based points. that is a biased opinion however. |
Vicious Minotaur
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
491
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Posted - 2014.01.03 04:14:00 -
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I am inclined to agree. I think it would be good to allow for revives in the case of AOE. That would alleviate some peoples issues with grenades, mass drivers, and such.
Then I could ask that I get rewarded [slightly] for getting a direct forge gun hit under the system that you propose. Admittedly, I am biased. I love blapping people while running around, all while in striking distance of light weapons. |
SteelheadPep
SAM-MIK
22
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Posted - 2014.01.04 17:51:00 -
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+1, with the 1.7 update pens and reppers are lagging again leading to more unforeseen outcomes.The phantom pickup marker on the field is another issue with this update. Your suggestion would help reduce downed merc anxiety about being picked up, and would have more mercs requesting to be penned rather than being yelled at for trying to sincerely help someone.
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DJINN Jecture
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
93
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Posted - 2014.01.04 21:37:00 -
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As a long time Logi I see a real value to this proposed change and have a feeling that it would benefit everyone, both when looking at the number of clones left and with keeping track of your own stats for suit loss etc. If you were playing smart and went around with a guy with a needle then you would be rewarded with a higher KDR because instead of dying you were knocked unconscious (battle shock) and revived.
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Scheneighnay McBob
Bojo's School of the Trades
3393
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Posted - 2014.01.05 00:09:00 -
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No.
1. KDR is meaningless, anyway 2. The death statistic is there to show that you where the one the logis are risking their asses for.
We used to have a time machine
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
684
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Posted - 2014.01.05 02:05:00 -
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Scheneighnay McBob wrote:No.
1. KDR is meaningless, anyway 2. The death statistic is there to show that you where the one the logis are risking their asses for.
KDR is meaningless for some, and then some will invest their ISK actively to increase their personal statistics.
KDR in games like CoD and BF are much worthless as its just a mark on your personal Epeen, In DUST however your KDR shows how successful you are at destroying assets versus loosing them. It's important because a huge premise of the game drives around KDR.
The Death Statistic isn't being actually represented in DUST 514. As none of us truly "Die" until our clone is terminated, giving absolute meaning to this premise in the game is something almost every aspect of DUST is crying for. |
DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
163
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Posted - 2014.01.05 18:47:00 -
[37] - Quote
Me wants. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
834
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Posted - 2014.01.15 23:59:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:This would turn people ordinarily obsessed with nothing but K/D into people who valued good logistics. I approve.
Hopefully this is still on the radar for the 1.8 patch it would greatly improve gameplay for logi's and squads. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
850
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Posted - 2014.01.16 21:19:00 -
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GET ATMESON
Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance
240
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Posted - 2014.01.17 01:25:00 -
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Agreed 100% and backed up. Getting farmed by randoms is annoying ass hell or we should have an option for review that lasts 3 seconds.
Open Beta Fed 16th 2013. Scout fix + Heavy suits + Heavy guns = soonGäó
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VikingKong iBUN
Third Rock From The Sun INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS
18
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Posted - 2014.01.17 08:56:00 -
[41] - Quote
I concur with the needle thing - its simply real stupid that in one life we can die multiple times. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
871
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Posted - 2014.01.19 21:17:00 -
[42] - Quote
VikingKong iBUN wrote:I concur with the needle thing - its simply real stupid that in one life we can die multiple times.
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
174
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Posted - 2014.01.25 23:15:00 -
[43] - Quote
bumping because its needed. |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
458
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Posted - 2014.01.26 00:20:00 -
[44] - Quote
+1 though I have always wondered if all it took to save a clone was a needle of nanites why wouldn't they just build that into suits to begin with.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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Nothing Certain
Villore Sec Ops Gallente Federation
97
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Posted - 2014.01.26 00:37:00 -
[45] - Quote
I'm sure some spelling **** has pointed out it is lose, not loose, but just in case... |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
947
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Posted - 2014.01.26 04:00:00 -
[46] - Quote
Nothing Certain wrote:I'm sure some spelling **** has pointed out it is lose, not loose, but just in case...
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Durza Wolfmord
The Unit 514
1
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:18:00 -
[47] - Quote
Henchmen21 wrote:+1 though I have always wondered if all it took to save a clone was a needle of nanites why wouldn't they just build that into suits to begin with.
Bullets put holes into your armor. Reactive plates is already for that. However, having that many Nanites always in your suit could cause problems with the circutry since Nanites eat metal. They are programmed for armor repair and then stored in the needles.
Oh, and bump for this! Please CCP |
Henchmen21
Planet Express LLC
468
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Posted - 2014.01.26 06:30:00 -
[48] - Quote
Durza Wolfmord wrote:Henchmen21 wrote:+1 though I have always wondered if all it took to save a clone was a needle of nanites why wouldn't they just build that into suits to begin with. Bullets put holes into your armor. Reactive plates is already for that. However, having that many Nanites always in your suit could cause problems with the circutry since Nanites eat metal. They are programmed for armor repair and then stored in the needles. Oh, and bump for this! Please CCP
Still have a tube set to auto inject when downed, it'd have to be cheaper then replacing the suit and the clone. Just because they can hop to another clone doesn't mean any military force would be that wasteful.
Henchmen21: Infantry
Gotyougood Ufkr: Vehicles
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
179
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Posted - 2014.01.31 23:58:00 -
[49] - Quote
needs to be 1st page |
ToRgUe77
Ultramarine Corp
12
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:03:00 -
[50] - Quote
+1
mmm creamy creamy beige
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low genius
The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance
1162
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Posted - 2014.02.01 00:04:00 -
[51] - Quote
couldn't agree more. if the guy doesn't bleed you out, then he didn't get the kill. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1029
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Posted - 2014.02.01 03:12:00 -
[52] - Quote
DootDoot wrote:needs to be 1st page
Here is hoping it's on the dev's list of things to do. |
Moonracer2000
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
706
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Posted - 2014.02.01 03:18:00 -
[53] - Quote
A possible solution to the "last man standing problem would be to cut the mission timer short at certain clone counts.
For example something like: 10 minutes left in a match and team B has 10 clones, drop the time down to 5 minutes remaining. 5 clones left, drop the clock to 3 minutes remaining. If it is already below that, no change.
Enough time to clear the map if everyone is fighting but not enough for the match to drag if people are playing cat and mouse. Admittedly some of those cat and mouse moments are fun, but this would largely ramp up the tension of Ambush (which is supposed to be fast paced) and compliment the clone count idea. |
Lorhak Gannarsein
1440
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Posted - 2014.02.01 06:01:00 -
[54] - Quote
Big fan of these ideas.
Bethhy wrote:Omniscient meaning both players can see each other permanently as soon as it get's to that player count. Allowing for one player to chase the other one down, or both players to go for the win and many other options. Allowing for a lot of different dynamic's but counterable by all parties.
This of course may be more complicated on CCP's developing end then my biased gamer mind could comprehend, but I would hope it do-able.
I would suggest that this happen when both sides are cloned out, rather than with only two persons remaining; otherwise I'd just get two people to run as far away as they could, to ensure the match got timed out.
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1041
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Posted - 2014.02.01 13:15:00 -
[55] - Quote
Moonracer2000 wrote:A possible solution to the "last man standing problem would be to cut the mission timer short at certain clone counts.
For example something like: 10 minutes left in a match and team B has 10 clones, drop the time down to 5 minutes remaining. 5 clones left, drop the clock to 3 minutes remaining. If it is already below that, no change.
Enough time to clear the map if everyone is fighting but not enough for the match to drag if people are playing cat and mouse. Admittedly some of those cat and mouse moments are fun, but this would largely ramp up the tension of Ambush (which is supposed to be fast paced) and compliment the clone count idea.
I Like that |
DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
183
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Posted - 2014.02.02 03:47:00 -
[56] - Quote
VikingKong iBUN wrote:I concur with the needle thing - its simply real stupid that in one life we can die multiple times.
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1057
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Posted - 2014.02.03 15:34:00 -
[57] - Quote
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al nize mk2
DUST University Ivy League
1
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Posted - 2014.02.03 17:43:00 -
[58] - Quote
If you are shot down then you should take the death stat even if you're revived. But 5 WP for finishing off a downed clone makes sense. And extra points for total-deaths like the headshot seems fair. Headshots getting 60 WP is good because it's a skill. 55 WP for other kinds of instant finishes would be fair.
Also - I think it's a great idea to keep the match going until the last man standing. To prevent people hiding it would make sense that the radar becomes completlely transparent - or even more fun why not reduce the size of the combat zone in these circumstances? |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1062
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:45:00 -
[59] - Quote
-snip- |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1062
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Posted - 2014.02.03 20:46:00 -
[60] - Quote
al nize mk2 wrote:If you are shot down then you should take the death stat even if you're revived. But 5 WP for finishing off a downed clone makes sense. And extra points for total-deaths like the headshot seems fair. Headshots getting 60 WP is good because it's a skill. 55 WP for other kinds of instant finishes would be fair.
Also - I think it's a great idea to keep the match going until the last man standing. To prevent people hiding it would make sense that the radar becomes completlely transparent - or even more fun why not reduce the size of the combat zone in these circumstances?
Any reason you should take a "death"? for being "shot down" ? |
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Lorhak Gannarsein
Science For Death
1470
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:35:00 -
[61] - Quote
Oh - for what it's worth, headshots don't instantly burn out the clone inherently, it's actually damage based .
HMG headshot kills don't burn clones out, probably she to pathetic damage per shot.
Happily printing ISK with permahardeners and MLT blasters.
Just let me get a couple mil more before nerf, CCP!
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Artificer Ghost
Learning Coalition College
1203
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Posted - 2014.02.03 23:44:00 -
[62] - Quote
I don't remember ever liking this post, but you can keep my +1 for a decent idea. :P
~Art, CEO and DoE at Learning Coalition College, Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
Maken Tosch = 1000th Like!
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1082
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Posted - 2014.02.05 16:47:00 -
[63] - Quote
Artificer Ghost wrote:I don't remember ever liking this post, but you can keep my +1 for a decent idea. :P
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D legendary hero
Ultramarine Corp
1462
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Posted - 2014.02.05 17:12:00 -
[64] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:-This would fix needle spam pick up's and make them relevant as it could extend your clone termination timer, And would preserve player's raged about "KD/R's" and actually have them asking for a pick up as it would save their suit investment ISK.
Also will give an awesome dynamic for players to finish off "Downed" mercenaries to make sure they are truly dead.
I think the player that "Downed" the Mercenary should get credit for a kill. However the "Downed" Mercenary should not get penalized for a death until his clone is officially terminated.
Obviously there would have to be safe guard's put in place to prevent farming, Might i suggest a TKO rule where 3 "downs" in a 10 second window and your clone is lost? I'm sure you guy's have a good developer's bag of trick's to use for safeguards better then my suggestion.
-As it is slightly connected but would improve Ambush competition and the game mode massively. Mercenaries spawning into Ambush modes uses up one of the clones from the 50,80 totals. And it is the last man standing wins.
Often in Ambush one side will reach 0 clones before the other... Then the fight will continue until only one side is alive... Often the loosing side will pull together at the end and clone out the winning side before the match end's only to receive a loss. If every clone counted in Ambush and it was truly last man standing.. The game mode would really shine again.
Thanks for your consideration, Bethy
+1, signed.
Sou o Defendeiro dos derrubados_Pronto saberá justiça
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1093
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Posted - 2014.02.05 18:53:00 -
[65] - Quote
D legendary hero wrote:
+1, signed.
Now if we can only get one of the idea's blue tagged like you lovely post :(
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DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
184
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:13:00 -
[66] - Quote
Comon!!! how much likes and community support does a request need before we get dev attention! |
Ryme Intrinseca
575
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Posted - 2014.02.06 15:25:00 -
[67] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:Vulpes Dolosus wrote:Wholly agree with the needle point.
Disagree with at the ambush change because you'll get people (like me!) who are the last ones standing in a proto-pubstomp and are running away to save a suit. If I hide the game will go on indefinitely, and if there's a timer then it's what we have now. The 15 minute timer in Ambush should always be present In my opinion, possibly leaving a "match draw" option if two are still left. I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST. Vulpes makes a great point, there would be even less reason to respawn when you're on the wrong side of a pubstomp as you'd know if you spawn you're definitely going to die (and lose a suit). So it would make pubstomps even more one sided by giving stompers an extra numerical advantage.
As for the 15 minute timer, there is very little chance that you can evade a 16 man pub stomp team for the remainder of the game, which is probably around ten minutes. And if you did, it would be incredibly tedious for everyone concerned, especially as it wouldn't make any difference to the outcome. People would not spawn rather than risk facing this scenario.
Really love the needle idea though so +1s all round. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1108
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Posted - 2014.02.07 02:43:00 -
[68] - Quote
Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Vulpes makes a great point, there would be even less reason to respawn when you're on the wrong side of a pubstomp as you'd know if you spawn you're definitely going to die (and lose a suit). So it would make pubstomps even more one sided by giving stompers an extra numerical advantage.
As for the 15 minute timer, there is very little chance that you can evade a 16 man pub stomp team for the remainder of the game, which is probably around ten minutes. And if you did, it would be incredibly tedious for everyone concerned, especially as it wouldn't make any difference to the outcome. People would not spawn rather than risk facing this scenario.
Really love the needle idea though so +1s all round.
(If only)Hopefully with the new needle mechanics, and a renamed "Last Clone Standing" game mode. Tied in with the upcoming racial parity choices with specialized logistic roles, even ADV suits may pose decent competition for any squad with using all the equipment and the games being more competitive and prolonged based around the new possible clone significance.
Yes there will be sometimes a hopeless situation where 1 is facing a team of quality players, but that happens right now as it is anyway. And in some cases having a squad of 2-6 left in a strategic place has the potential easily to wipe out the other team with well executed timing. Offering clutch game performances and very memorable moment to moment situations in DUST, adding to the gameplay and overall enjoyment.
I believe a good collection of suggestions have been made in this post to fill some of the exploitable holes in the possible game mode.
Thanks for your feedback. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1130
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Posted - 2014.02.08 16:39:00 -
[69] - Quote
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shaman oga
Nexus Balusa Horizon
1577
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Posted - 2014.02.09 23:45:00 -
[70] - Quote
up
1.8 it's so secret that nobody know what will be in it, even after patch notes...
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1164
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Posted - 2014.02.11 05:42:00 -
[71] - Quote
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Kitt 514
True North.
101
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Posted - 2014.02.11 06:23:00 -
[72] - Quote
Here's my .02
No.
As nice as it would be to have a better KDR (I play with decent logi), the death amount is essentially saying that you were, indeed, bested in combat. That is your stat. Who you bested, versus who bested you.
Think of it like how aerial "kills" or victories are counted.
Pilots would measure their kills by number of victories. Planes downed, not pilots killed. People got shot down all the time without dying, but the enemy still got a kill for it.
You also start getting it to where there are more kills generated in a game than there are deaths. This is stupid for several reasons, but essentially, it waters down your KDR to the point where everybody then has a good KDR.
If anybody knows what an EVE killboard is, you know what i'm talking about. KDR is the measured stat in DUST like how ISK efficiency is in EVE. But EVERYBODY in eve has like %90 ISK efficiency. So the stat doesn't matter outside of individual battles because it is much easier to gain ISK damage done than ISK damage received. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1180
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:10:00 -
[73] - Quote
Kitt 514 wrote:Here's my .02
No.
As nice as it would be to have a better KDR (I play with decent logi), the death amount is essentially saying that you were, indeed, bested in combat. That is your stat. Who you bested, versus who bested you.
Think of it like how aerial "kills" or victories are counted.
Pilots would measure their kills by number of victories. Planes downed, not pilots killed. People got shot down all the time without dying, but the enemy still got a kill for it.
You also start getting it to where there are more kills generated in a game than there are deaths. This is stupid for several reasons, but essentially, it waters down your KDR to the point where everybody then has a good KDR.
If anybody knows what an EVE killboard is, you know what i'm talking about. KDR is the measured stat in DUST like how ISK efficiency is in EVE. But EVERYBODY in eve has like %90 ISK efficiency. So the stat doesn't matter outside of individual battles because it is much easier to gain ISK damage done than ISK damage received.
So when your "Downed" and you haven't officially died you should get a death anyway because someone bested you? Even though all they would have to do to finish you off is shoot your incapacitated clone on the ground?
Pilots and victories better fit's this scenario. As we are rewarding people who get a victory without the full kill but the player that didn't die can still jump back into the battle and perform with his clone and statistically have his life still to do so.
We have matches where 50 clones create 150+ deaths... And that is less silly? It would make 100 times more sense to have a match where kills are rewarded for downing a clone and extra for finishing them off.
Stopping someone dieing 3-4 times from poor needle pickups isn't gonna create an Assist = Kill statistical padding problem that EVE has... where as if you helped you get near as much credit as if you soloed. I Do beleive Assist's in DUST should be a measurable stat on a mercenaries record but thats as far as that goes.
There is no Killboard padding from this... everyone will be in the same fair boat.... Instead of the same poor needle gameplay that hurts so much of the team work gameplay. |
CLONE117
planetary retaliation organisation ACME Holding Conglomerate
663
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:18:00 -
[74] - Quote
ive kinda gone overbored when killing a proto bears incapacitated clone..
usually by a barrage of bullets from my hmg. followed up with a grenade.
ive suggested something like this many times before as i feel it fixes the kdr farming part.
but we may need to add more to the stats other than just kills and deaths. like how many times uve been downed or downed other players and such. keeping the wp rewards the same though. |
Ranger SnakeBlood
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
290
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Posted - 2014.02.11 16:36:00 -
[75] - Quote
Aye sure +1
It never really made sence to me if i die after getting revived i have 2 deaths i didnt die 2 times, iam also glad to see this tread is not getting shot down to badly if i remember correctly the last time i saw a tread of this nature it got shot down so badly it may as well have been flattened from orbit or was that a different game cant remember either way +1. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1199
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Posted - 2014.02.13 17:51:00 -
[76] - Quote
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Cross Atu
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
1930
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Posted - 2014.02.13 19:44:00 -
[77] - Quote
+1 OP, this would make KDR hold some actual meaning instead of being the terribad stat it is at present.
I would still also like to see other stats added which sub-divide the current KDR into several more worthwhile stats (WP/Death, ISK destroyed / ISK lost, friendly HP repped / death, etc etc) but with the suggested changes from the OP at least the end of match leader board would be more meaningful. As it currently stands you can have a guy lone wolfing the whole match, costing the team more clones than anyone else but coming out looking like he did the most work because of his displayed KDR. I Merc who is 'downed' 12 times but only loses 2 clones for the team because he uses teamwork and waits for revival is doing more to gain victory than a Merc who is 'downed' 7 times and bleeds out every time to protect his KDR.
0.02 ISK Cross
SupportSP Rollover & an improved Recruting System
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Jebus McKing
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
300
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Posted - 2014.02.13 22:15:00 -
[78] - Quote
No.
@JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet.
ò_Ô
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1209
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Posted - 2014.02.14 01:22:00 -
[79] - Quote
Cross Atu wrote:+1 OP, this would make KDR hold some actual meaning instead of being the terribad stat it is at present.
I would still also like to see other stats added which sub-divide the current KDR into several more worthwhile stats (WP/Death, ISK destroyed / ISK lost, friendly HP repped / death, etc etc) but with the suggested changes from the OP at least the end of match leader board would be more meaningful. As it currently stands you can have a guy lone wolfing the whole match, costing the team more clones than anyone else but coming out looking like he did the most work because of his displayed KDR. I Merc who is 'downed' 12 times but only loses 2 clones for the team because he uses teamwork and waits for revival is doing more to gain victory than a Merc who is 'downed' 7 times and bleeds out every time to protect his KDR.
0.02 ISK Cross
Yes the senseless clone loss cheapens so many matches. Often overlooked in 2 minute long ambushes. |
DootDoot
Da Short Buss Legacy Rising
189
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:02:00 -
[80] - Quote
bump |
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Aeon Amadi
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
4931
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Posted - 2014.02.16 05:08:00 -
[81] - Quote
Bethhy wrote:-This would fix needle spam pick up's and make them relevant as it could extend your clone termination timer, And would preserve player's raged about "KD/R's" and actually have them asking for a pick up as it would save their suit investment ISK.
Also will give an awesome dynamic for players to finish off "Downed" mercenaries to make sure they are truly dead.
I think the player that "Downed" the Mercenary should get credit for a kill. However the "Downed" Mercenary should not get penalized for a death until his clone is officially terminated.
Obviously there would have to be safe guard's put in place to prevent farming, Might i suggest a TKO rule where 3 "downs" in a 10 second window and your clone is lost? I'm sure you guy's have a good developer's bag of trick's to use for safeguards better then my suggestion.
-As it is slightly connected but would improve Ambush competition and the game mode massively. Mercenaries spawning into Ambush modes uses up one of the clones from the 50,80 totals. And it is the last man standing wins.
Often in Ambush one side will reach 0 clones before the other... Then the fight will continue until only one side is alive... Often the loosing side will pull together at the end and clone out the winning side before the match end's only to receive a loss. If every clone counted in Ambush and it was truly last man standing.. The game mode would really shine again.
Thanks for your consideration, Bethy
I've always liked the aspect of killing a "downed" mercenary. Certain joy comes from it, honestly. I've proposed it in the past but I kinda want to see what your thoughts are on it, Bethy: How's about a small WP reward "confirming" a kill? Say like, 10 WP for making sure the guy is dead?
Useful Links
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1229
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Posted - 2014.02.16 16:23:00 -
[82] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:Bethhy wrote:-This would fix needle spam pick up's and make them relevant as it could extend your clone termination timer, And would preserve player's raged about "KD/R's" and actually have them asking for a pick up as it would save their suit investment ISK.
Also will give an awesome dynamic for players to finish off "Downed" mercenaries to make sure they are truly dead.
I think the player that "Downed" the Mercenary should get credit for a kill. However the "Downed" Mercenary should not get penalized for a death until his clone is officially terminated.
Obviously there would have to be safe guard's put in place to prevent farming, Might i suggest a TKO rule where 3 "downs" in a 10 second window and your clone is lost? I'm sure you guy's have a good developer's bag of trick's to use for safeguards better then my suggestion.
-As it is slightly connected but would improve Ambush competition and the game mode massively. Mercenaries spawning into Ambush modes uses up one of the clones from the 50,80 totals. And it is the last man standing wins.
Often in Ambush one side will reach 0 clones before the other... Then the fight will continue until only one side is alive... Often the loosing side will pull together at the end and clone out the winning side before the match end's only to receive a loss. If every clone counted in Ambush and it was truly last man standing.. The game mode would really shine again.
Thanks for your consideration, Bethy I've always liked the aspect of killing a "downed" mercenary. Certain joy comes from it, honestly. I've proposed it in the past but I kinda want to see what your thoughts are on it, Bethy: How's about a small WP reward "confirming" a kill? Say like, 10 WP for making sure the guy is dead?
Yeah, there was a post at the beginning of this thread talking about a Warpoint scoring system for "Downed" Mercenaries. I think it's a cool idea and could add to the gameplay, but at the same time could bring more attention then is wanted to Nanite injectable mercenaries .
I Think at least 5 WP is acceptable though. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1263
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Posted - 2014.02.20 02:23:00 -
[83] - Quote
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RedBleach LeSanglant
Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy
556
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Posted - 2014.02.20 03:07:00 -
[84] - Quote
Cosgar wrote:I support these products and/or services.
Yep, I too feel the same about our clone death situations. As it has been suggested a simple additional stat and a refocus of the KDR actually being the Kills/True Clone Death as opposed to the secondary stat of Kills/downs. A small change that would have far reaching effects on the entire game.
The Logi Code. The Path of the Logibro
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1275
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Posted - 2014.02.20 22:08:00 -
[85] - Quote
RedBleach LeSanglant wrote:Cosgar wrote:I support these products and/or services. Yep, I too feel the same about our clone death situations. As it has been suggested a simple additional stat and a refocus of the KDR actually being the Kills/True Clone Death as opposed to the secondary stat of Kills/downs. A small change that would have far reaching effects on the entire game.
I'm definitely a fan of More Mercenary statistics.. Even if Assists was a measured and displayed Mercenary Statistic.. Support roles would get a lot more credit and where its due aswell. |
DootDoot
Da Short Buss
206
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Posted - 2014.03.08 16:58:00 -
[86] - Quote
up |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
1422
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Posted - 2014.03.21 03:03:00 -
[87] - Quote
Maybe for 1.9 CCP? |
Sinboto Simmons
SVER True Blood General Tso's Alliance
5163
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Posted - 2014.03.21 03:21:00 -
[88] - Quote
Yes please
Sinboto - The True Blood Minja
Forum Warrior level 5
STB-Infantry (Demolition)
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Ku Shala
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
907
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Posted - 2014.03.21 14:01:00 -
[89] - Quote
where were you mof.....mercs when I sugessed this like a year ago
+1
-¦a+ó a+ú-Æa+äla+ä
By the time you see me ... pew pew
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1427
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Posted - 2014.03.23 13:34:00 -
[90] - Quote
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Dalmont Legrand
331
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Posted - 2014.03.23 13:54:00 -
[91] - Quote
Ambush waiting time could be solved by making video chase of players that are still in battle, watching their skills.
Am I the only one having high heart rate when alone chased by few mercs? That is the thing that makes me want to play such games, I like to see how one man can win for whole team by standing alone against another team. I know that they try to be far from ordinary FPS but for situations where it will be clone end, awaiting to see who wins is better then ending up a battle as people get annoyed awaiting end. Clone count is not an option, there is no place for possibility in such cases. One can carry out 6 or 10, but he won't as clones ended up.
The best is yet to come
CPM1 Fabulous Candidate
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Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1472
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Posted - 2014.03.26 20:51:00 -
[92] - Quote
1.9 CCP !
Get-er-done. |
Orion Sanjeet
Fatal Absolution Negative-Feedback
44
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Posted - 2014.03.27 06:07:00 -
[93] - Quote
Yes, yes, a thousand times yes. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
1521
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Posted - 2014.03.27 19:40:00 -
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Blue tag to atleast say your thinking about it CCP? |
DootDoot
Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.03.29 12:44:00 -
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up |
VikingKong iBUN
Third Rock From The Sun
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Posted - 2014.03.29 14:32:00 -
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Ku Shala wrote:where were you mof.....mercs when I sugessed this like a year ago
+1 I was there, probably saying +1! Really I cant believe there's still discussion about this, it seems obvious to me. |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.28 20:24:00 -
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1.9!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Comon! |
Bethhy
Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.11 20:15:00 -
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sadface..
Maybe Legion? hahaha. |
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.11 21:50:00 -
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And then Gav said-"And thou shalt receive the likes of the sum of my alts"
Kills- Archduke Ferdinand
Balance!
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