I don't remember ever liking this post, but you can keep my +1 for a decent idea. :P

-This would fix needle spam pick up's and make them relevant as it could extend your clone termination timer, And would preserve player's raged about "KD/R's" and actually have them asking for a pick up as it would save their suit investment ISK.

Also will give an awesome dynamic for players to finish off "Downed" mercenaries to make sure they are truly dead.

I think the player that "Downed" the Mercenary should get credit for a kill. However the "Downed" Mercenary should not get penalized for a death until his clone is officially terminated.

Obviously there would have to be safe guard's put in place to prevent farming, Might i suggest a TKO rule where 3 "downs" in a 10 second window and your clone is lost? I'm sure you guy's have a good developer's bag of trick's to use for safeguards better then my suggestion.


-As it is slightly connected but would improve Ambush competition and the game mode massively. Mercenaries spawning into Ambush modes uses up one of the clones from the 50,80 totals. And it is the last man standing wins.

Often in Ambush one side will reach 0 clones before the other... Then the fight will continue until only one side is alive... Often the loosing side will pull together at the end and clone out the winning side before the match end's only to receive a loss. If every clone counted in Ambush and it was truly last man standing.. The game mode would really shine again.


Thanks for your consideration,
Bethy

+1, signed.

The 15 minute timer in Ambush should always be present In my opinion, possibly leaving a "match draw" option if two are still left.

I would much rather Omniscient sight granted when there is only a 1vs1 left So those two people can find each other quick and easy and enjoy the true 1vs1 dynamic pulling out the Match Win in a clutch performance. Thus creating memorable experiences and moment's in DUST.

Vulpes makes a great point, there would be even less reason to respawn when you're on the wrong side of a pubstomp as you'd know if you spawn you're definitely going to die (and lose a suit). So it would make pubstomps even more one sided by giving stompers an extra numerical advantage.

As for the 15 minute timer, there is very little chance that you can evade a 16 man pub stomp team for the remainder of the game, which is probably around ten minutes. And if you did, it would be incredibly tedious for everyone concerned, especially as it wouldn't make any difference to the outcome. People would not spawn rather than risk facing this scenario.

Really love the needle idea though so +1s all round.

Here's my .02

No.

As nice as it would be to have a better KDR (I play with decent logi), the death amount is essentially saying that you were, indeed, bested in combat. That is your stat. Who you bested, versus who bested you.

Think of it like how aerial "kills" or victories are counted.

Pilots would measure their kills by number of victories. Planes downed, not pilots killed. People got shot down all the time without dying, but the enemy still got a kill for it.

You also start getting it to where there are more kills generated in a game than there are deaths. This is stupid for several reasons, but essentially, it waters down your KDR to the point where everybody then has a good KDR.

If anybody knows what an EVE killboard is, you know what i'm talking about. KDR is the measured stat in DUST like how ISK efficiency is in EVE. But EVERYBODY in eve has like %90 ISK efficiency. So the stat doesn't matter outside of individual battles because it is much easier to gain ISK damage done than ISK damage received.

+1 OP, this would make KDR hold some actual meaning instead of being the terribad stat it is at present.

I would still also like to see other stats added which sub-divide the current KDR into several more worthwhile stats (WP/Death, ISK destroyed / ISK lost, friendly HP repped / death, etc etc) but with the suggested changes from the OP at least the end of match leader board would be more meaningful. As it currently stands you can have a guy lone wolfing the whole match, costing the team more clones than anyone else but coming out looking like he did the most work because of his displayed KDR. I Merc who is 'downed' 12 times but only loses 2 clones for the team because he uses teamwork and waits for revival is doing more to gain victory than a Merc who is 'downed' 7 times and bleeds out every time to protect his KDR.

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-This would fix needle spam pick up's and make them relevant as it could extend your clone termination timer, And would preserve player's raged about "KD/R's" and actually have them asking for a pick up as it would save their suit investment ISK.

Also will give an awesome dynamic for players to finish off "Downed" mercenaries to make sure they are truly dead.

I think the player that "Downed" the Mercenary should get credit for a kill. However the "Downed" Mercenary should not get penalized for a death until his clone is officially terminated.

Obviously there would have to be safe guard's put in place to prevent farming, Might i suggest a TKO rule where 3 "downs" in a 10 second window and your clone is lost? I'm sure you guy's have a good developer's bag of trick's to use for safeguards better then my suggestion.


-As it is slightly connected but would improve Ambush competition and the game mode massively. Mercenaries spawning into Ambush modes uses up one of the clones from the 50,80 totals. And it is the last man standing wins.

Often in Ambush one side will reach 0 clones before the other... Then the fight will continue until only one side is alive... Often the loosing side will pull together at the end and clone out the winning side before the match end's only to receive a loss. If every clone counted in Ambush and it was truly last man standing.. The game mode would really shine again.


Thanks for your consideration,
Bethy

I've always liked the aspect of killing a "downed" mercenary. Certain joy comes from it, honestly. I've proposed it in the past but I kinda want to see what your thoughts are on it, Bethy: How's about a small WP reward "confirming" a kill? Say like, 10 WP for making sure the guy is dead?

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Yep, I too feel the same about our clone death situations. As it has been suggested a simple additional stat and a refocus of the KDR actually being the Kills/True Clone Death as opposed to the secondary stat of Kills/downs. A small change that would have far reaching effects on the entire game.