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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:18:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Armor tanks are really OP but shield tanks can take out armor tanks fast but not every one has a shield tank. They either need a armor repair nerf or a HP nerf. armor is meant to take alot of damage, and shields are still fragile so armor is fine exept rep stacking Hmmm? How does it feel getting owned in 3 seconds to my proto missiles? it hasn't happened to me yet, all the missile tanks i kill suck or i know when to GTFO
Whatever. I almost had you down a few times. The only reason you beat me was because I have an advanced turret, not a proto. You getting a kill off me while you're sparking and smoking filled me with murderous rage. GG though. |
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Monkey MAC wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:As a Tanker I'm not. Stop changing current weapons that do great damage against an inactive tank. Give us webs so we can stop tanks from escaping with their actives down. And remove the ability to add more than one hardener because it allows you to keep them on for ages with just a tiny window to hit them. Needless Sacermendor wrote:Just make the Blaster turret weak against anything but infantry ... make the railgun damn difficult to kill infantry ... and make the missile turret ok at a bit of both.
Then HAVs would have to be either effective AV or effective anti infantry ... but not both. From experience, you're not playing enough tank because this is how it is now. If you're going off against a tank with a blaster, someone of similar SP and experience will annihilate you with a rail or missile depending on your fit. Railguns annihilate both tanks, though Armor has a better time than shields, Missiles devastate Armor but are pretty poor against shields, both weapons require a lot of luck and skill to hit a player with, I know people who can hit infantry with a rail but they use it every day no matter what, I feel bad for them. Actually Jason I'm going to agree with you, while a littke extra damage would be nice, it would only make tanks insanely weak without hardners. Instead we need to address the real problem which when tanks are 'ON', we need webifiers, we need dilation grenades, we need e-war. We need something that counters tanks who are 'ON' ! Plus 1 Jason, I do believe you have changed my mind!
Tanks are suppose to be Active. Tanks Are suppose to be weak without hardners. I am not asking to buff damage, im asking to buff AV in a different way. Anyways, tanks are too spammable so i want a limit so only two-three are allowed.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:20:00 -
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Needless Sacermendor wrote:Jason Pearson wrote:From experience, you're not playing enough tank because this is how it is now. I haven't driven a HAV since E3 build when I realised how easy mode they are ... invulnerable to 95% of weapons and fast enough to cross the map and back in the time infantry can run 100m ... that's when I switched to AV and as time goes on it just gets less and less fun no matter which way the scales tip. Seriously the best thing I could advise CCP do right now is remove vehicles and AV weapons completely and concentrate on balancing the infantry and racial variants ... maybe think about how to include vehicles again after that is in a decent place.
So you're throwing out opinions without any experience on the matter? Please, don't advise CCP on anything, as you don't test it to offer a well informed opinion. Not saying it to be mean, or sound horrible or "CCP owes me everything as I'm a tanker" but without experience on the thing, it will remain in a terrible situation for a long time.
Removing tank and AV would remove a large chunk of the game for not just myself but others who especially enjoy the vehicles in the game, we might be a minority in terms of Vehicle v Infantry, but we're still a large group of players. You want to remove us from the game?
If simple suggestions are implemented on the current platform, we could avoid many issues that AVers face, offering a fair balance between both Infantry and Vehicles. things like Webifiers that Infantry can carry that can immobilze tanks and allow them to escape. I think more ewar things should be in play such as disabling turrets for a period of time, knocking out speed or movement entirely, etc.
At the same time, vehicles need to have additional counters that affect Infantry in new ways, Webifiers I feel should work on Infantry, but that might be a bias on my part, I just want to setup a trap and wait for someone to wander out of it, come flying out of a shadow in my tank and be like MWAAHAHAHAHAHAHA YOU ARE MINE, splat. *shrugs*
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Atiim
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:20:00 -
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darkiller240 wrote:NO! buffing AV just make evry other vechical UP
Just reduce the godam speed and railgun damage there done!
No it won't. Vehicles have waay more eHP then 1.6 did.
They buffed tanks as well, so no vehicles won't be "UP"
Also, can you please educate yourself in the use of proper grammar?
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:22:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Whatever. I almost had you down a few times. The only reason you beat me was because I have an advanced turret, not a proto. You getting a kill off me while you're sparking and smoking filled me with murderous rage. GG though.
wut? replying to diff post about armor speed
thats why my sica chases down armor tanks with ease, they cant escape, i've tried a sica, thier faster |
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:23:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Whatever. I almost had you down a few times. The only reason you beat me was because I have an advanced turret, not a proto. You getting a kill off me while you're sparking and smoking filled me with murderous rage. GG though. wut? replying to diff post about armor speed thats why my sica chases down armor tanks with ease, they cant escape, i've tried a sica, thier faster
Why does it say Anmol Snigh wrote?
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Anmol Singh
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:24:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Whatever. I almost had you down a few times. The only reason you beat me was because I have an advanced turret, not a proto. You getting a kill off me while you're sparking and smoking filled me with murderous rage. GG though. wut? replying to diff post about armor speed thats why my soma chases down shield tanks with ease, they cant escape, i've tried a sica, they're faster
Why does it say Anmol Snigh wrote?
Edit: fixed for you
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:25:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Buff the swarm launcher range to 200m
Buff the forge gun charge up times so it takes 2.5 secs to charge assault, 3 to charge the normal.
Limit tanks per match to 2
I don't believe that HAVs should be limited to 2, because I don't want to limit someone's playstyle.
As much as I hate the HAV pilots, I do understand that they enjoy using their vehicles, and as such I don't think that it would be fair to limit the amount of HAVs on the field to only 2.
As for the FG charge up time and range, I agree.
However that won't fix the fact that nobody in this entire game who will ever use AV weapons again (unless they already have it).
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:25:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:anks are suppose to be Active. Tanks Are suppose to be weak without hardners. I am not asking to buff damage, im asking to buff AV in a different way. Anyways, tanks are too spammable so i want a limit so only two-three are allowed.
my tank is weak without hardeners, trust me, when i see a tank or get hit, i hide because tanks ARE weak on CD |
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:26:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Buff the swarm launcher range to 200m
Buff the forge gun charge up times so it takes 2.5 secs to charge assault, 3 to charge the normal.
Limit tanks per match to 2
1 250, it's only 50 yards (meters whatever its not a big difference)
2 give the Breach the same love execpt maybe to damage, 5-10% nothing much
3 yeah
sounds good HOTFIX MATERIAL HERE COUGH COUGH
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Anmol Singh
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:26:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:anks are suppose to be Active. Tanks Are suppose to be weak without hardners. I am not asking to buff damage, im asking to buff AV in a different way. Anyways, tanks are too spammable so i want a limit so only two-three are allowed. my tank is weak without hardeners, trust me, when i see a tank or get hit, i hide because tanks ARE weak on CD
How OP are you when you are not on cooldown? What are infantry suppose to do when your hardeners are on?
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:27:00 -
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Atiim wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Buff the swarm launcher range to 200m
Buff the forge gun charge up times so it takes 2.5 secs to charge assault, 3 to charge the normal.
Limit tanks per match to 2
I don't believe that HAVs should be limited to 2, because I don't want to limit someone's playstyle. As much as I hate the HAV pilots, I do understand that they enjoy using their vehicles, and as such I don't think that it would be fair to limit the amount of HAVs on the field to only 2. As for the FG charge up time and range, I agree. However that won't fix the fact that nobody in this entire game who will ever use AV weapons again (unless they already have it).
forges dont need buffs, tanks are too fast(armor speed not turning) swarms only need 240 damage thats all i think |
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:29:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:anks are suppose to be Active. Tanks Are suppose to be weak without hardners. I am not asking to buff damage, im asking to buff AV in a different way. Anyways, tanks are too spammable so i want a limit so only two-three are allowed. my tank is weak without hardeners, trust me, when i see a tank or get hit, i hide because tanks ARE weak on CD How OP are you when you are not on cooldown? What are infantry suppose to do when your hardeners are on?
proto swarms and/or forges, those still work, but remember CCP wanted tanks to be powerful on and weak off, which they are, or get 2 guys 1 proto swarms and 1 anything else will cause a retreat, AV need WP for damage |
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:29:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Atiim wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Buff the swarm launcher range to 200m
Buff the forge gun charge up times so it takes 2.5 secs to charge assault, 3 to charge the normal.
Limit tanks per match to 2
I don't believe that HAVs should be limited to 2, because I don't want to limit someone's playstyle. As much as I hate the HAV pilots, I do understand that they enjoy using their vehicles, and as such I don't think that it would be fair to limit the amount of HAVs on the field to only 2. As for the FG charge up time and range, I agree. However that won't fix the fact that nobody in this entire game who will ever use AV weapons again (unless they already have it). forges dont need buffs, tanks are too fast(armor speed not turning) swarms only need 240 damage thats all i think
Never asked for a swarm dmg buff, ony a range buff, tank can go 175m (swarm lockon range) in like 5 seconds. If you think a Forge gun hurts, you must be really bad at tanking. Anyway, reducing charge by .5 isn't much and wont affect many tankers except the noobs who suck at tanking.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:30:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:
forges dont need buffs, tanks are too fast(armor speed not turning) swarms only need 240 damage thats all i think
Yeah because an additional 10HP will make a huge difference
DUST 514 just went full COD.
Never go full COD.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:31:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Atiim wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Buff the swarm launcher range to 200m
Buff the forge gun charge up times so it takes 2.5 secs to charge assault, 3 to charge the normal.
Limit tanks per match to 2
I don't believe that HAVs should be limited to 2, because I don't want to limit someone's playstyle. As much as I hate the HAV pilots, I do understand that they enjoy using their vehicles, and as such I don't think that it would be fair to limit the amount of HAVs on the field to only 2. As for the FG charge up time and range, I agree. However that won't fix the fact that nobody in this entire game who will ever use AV weapons again (unless they already have it). forges dont need buffs, tanks are too fast(armor speed not turning) swarms only need 240 damage thats all i think Never asked for a swarm dmg buff, ony a range buff, tank can go 175m (swarm lockon range) in like 5 seconds. If you think a Forge gun hurts, you must be really bad at tanking. Anyway, reducing charge by .5 isn't much and wont affect many tankers except the noobs who suck at tanking.
Forge Gun wrecks if your hardeners are down.
Fix dual hardeners and fix speed, no need for buffs. Seriously, read my posts instead of sidestepping them and not responding.
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Anmol Singh
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:31:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:anks are suppose to be Active. Tanks Are suppose to be weak without hardners. I am not asking to buff damage, im asking to buff AV in a different way. Anyways, tanks are too spammable so i want a limit so only two-three are allowed. my tank is weak without hardeners, trust me, when i see a tank or get hit, i hide because tanks ARE weak on CD How OP are you when you are not on cooldown? What are infantry suppose to do when your hardeners are on? proto swarms and/or forges, those still work, but remember CCP wanted tanks to be powerful on and weak off, which they are, or get 2 guys 1 proto swarms and 1 anything else will cause a retreat, AV need WP for damage
powerful when on yes, but not indestructible. (my shield tank can keep passive shield repair on while hardeners are on even if taking dmg from proto swarms. )
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:32:00 -
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Atiim wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:
forges dont need buffs, tanks are too fast(armor speed not turning) swarms only need 240 damage thats all i think
Yeah because an additional 10HP will make a huge difference
20 damage per missile+10% armor damage |
Anmol Singh
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:34:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Atiim wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Buff the swarm launcher range to 200m
Buff the forge gun charge up times so it takes 2.5 secs to charge assault, 3 to charge the normal.
Limit tanks per match to 2
I don't believe that HAVs should be limited to 2, because I don't want to limit someone's playstyle. As much as I hate the HAV pilots, I do understand that they enjoy using their vehicles, and as such I don't think that it would be fair to limit the amount of HAVs on the field to only 2. As for the FG charge up time and range, I agree. However that won't fix the fact that nobody in this entire game who will ever use AV weapons again (unless they already have it). forges dont need buffs, tanks are too fast(armor speed not turning) swarms only need 240 damage thats all i think Never asked for a swarm dmg buff, ony a range buff, tank can go 175m (swarm lockon range) in like 5 seconds. If you think a Forge gun hurts, you must be really bad at tanking. Anyway, reducing charge by .5 isn't much and wont affect many tankers except the noobs who suck at tanking. Forge Gun wrecks if your hardeners are down. Fix dual hardeners and fix speed, no need for buffs. Seriously, read my posts instead of sidestepping them and not responding.
let dual hardeners stay, just dont make tanks indestructible while hardners are ON. Anyway, There should be 3 types of hardners with three level of STD, ADV, PROTO.
1. Last long,short cool down but low protection (30% for shield and like 20% for armor)
2.Medium lasting, medium cooldown (45% for shields and 30% for armor)
3. The ones we have now.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:34:00 -
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Jason Pearson wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Atiim wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Buff the swarm launcher range to 200m
Buff the forge gun charge up times so it takes 2.5 secs to charge assault, 3 to charge the normal.
Limit tanks per match to 2
I don't believe that HAVs should be limited to 2, because I don't want to limit someone's playstyle. As much as I hate the HAV pilots, I do understand that they enjoy using their vehicles, and as such I don't think that it would be fair to limit the amount of HAVs on the field to only 2. As for the FG charge up time and range, I agree. However that won't fix the fact that nobody in this entire game who will ever use AV weapons again (unless they already have it). forges dont need buffs, tanks are too fast(armor speed not turning) swarms only need 240 damage thats all i think Never asked for a swarm dmg buff, ony a range buff, tank can go 175m (swarm lockon range) in like 5 seconds. If you think a Forge gun hurts, you must be really bad at tanking. Anyway, reducing charge by .5 isn't much and wont affect many tankers except the noobs who suck at tanking. Forge Gun wrecks if your hardeners are down. Fix dual hardeners and fix speed, no need for buffs. Seriously, read my posts instead of sidestepping them and not responding.
2 things
Webs are nice BUT they're NOT in the game, still tanks can have upwards of 10k eHP when active and at maxed Skills can run their Hardeners fairly often
Don't act like your posts are special it makes you look like a douche
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:36:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:Never asked for a swarm dmg buff, ony a range buff, tank can go 175m (swarm lockon range) in like 5 seconds. If you think a Forge gun hurts, you must be really bad at tanking. Anyway, reducing charge by .5 isn't much and wont affect many tankers except the noobs who suck at tanking.
forges cause me to retreat with 1 hardener if hit if i know there is no cover
tanks per team max 2
fix dual hardeners
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:37:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:
Tanks are suppose to be Active. Tanks Are suppose to be weak without hardners. I am not asking to buff damage, im asking to buff AV in a different way. Anyways, tanks are too spammable so i want a limit so only two-three are allowed.
Quite true, and the counters to tanks should revolve around turning them off!
However I do believe, we shouldn't limit the amount oftanks available, instead we should provide other vehicles that are just as desirable.
We need gunships, apc's, globe masters and mech units!
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Anmol Singh
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:39:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:
Tanks are suppose to be Active. Tanks Are suppose to be weak without hardners. I am not asking to buff damage, im asking to buff AV in a different way. Anyways, tanks are too spammable so i want a limit so only two-three are allowed.
Quite true, and the counters to tanks should revolve around turning them off! However I do believe, we shouldn't limit the amount oftanks available, instead we should provide other vehicles that are just as desirable. We need gunships, apc's, globe masters and mech units!
Dude, if they made tanks more tanky and slower, they could Add APC's/tank destroyer type things that are the speed of the tanks we have now and a bit less armor but still very deadly.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:39:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:just dont make tanks indestructible while hardners are ON.
tanks arent indestructible when on, its either dual hardeners, or dual reps that do that, and you're probably solo'ing with STD av if there indestructible with 1 hardener 1 rep |
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:41:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:Never asked for a swarm dmg buff, ony a range buff, tank can go 175m (swarm lockon range) in like 5 seconds. If you think a Forge gun hurts, you must be really bad at tanking. Anyway, reducing charge by .5 isn't much and wont affect many tankers except the noobs who suck at tanking. forges cause me to retreat with 1 hardener if hit if i know there is no cover tanks per team max 2 fix dual hardeners fix dual reps
dual hardeners are fine.Reps need a bit of a nerf.
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Anmol Singh
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:42:00 -
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ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:just dont make tanks indestructible while hardners are ON. tanks arent indestructible when on, its either dual hardeners, or dual reps that do that, and you're probably solo'ing with STD av if there indestructible with 1 hardener 1 rep
I have a proto ishukone Assault FG with 2 complex and level 4 proficiency, Today... 4 milita tanks escaped my wraith.
Nerf milita tanks buff proto AV, if STD tanks are surviving so well against Proto AV, imagine the proto Tanks.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:47:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:just dont make tanks indestructible while hardners are ON. tanks arent indestructible when on, its either dual hardeners, or dual reps that do that, and you're probably solo'ing with STD av if there indestructible with 1 hardener 1 rep I have a proto ishukone Assault FG with 2 complex and level 4 proficiency, Today... 4 milita tanks escaped my wraith. Nerf milita tanks buff proto AV, if STD tanks are surviving so well against Proto AV, imagine the proto Tanks.
they will be expensive and need teamwork/tank, but those MLT tanks SHOULD get solo'd by proto AV, they put no sp into ANYTHING at all |
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:49:00 -
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Anmol Singh wrote:ALT2 acc wrote:Anmol Singh wrote:just dont make tanks indestructible while hardners are ON. tanks arent indestructible when on, its either dual hardeners, or dual reps that do that, and you're probably solo'ing with STD av if there indestructible with 1 hardener 1 rep I have a proto ishukone Assault FG with 2 complex and level 4 proficiency, Today... 4 milita tanks escaped my wraith. Nerf milita tanks buff proto AV, if STD tanks are surviving so well against Proto AV, imagine the proto Tanks.
look just across the board help AV STD SLs do only 40% of what PRO SLs, STDs need all the help they can get or people won't go AV.
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:50:00 -
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Disagree with the OP entirely, the game and AV is balenced right now.
Limit tanks to 2 per side? are you insane? are you not enjoying the 4 v 4 tank battles i am seeing each match now?
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Posted - 2013.12.14 23:50:00 -
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Killar-12 wrote:
2 things
Webs are nice BUT they're NOT in the game, still tanks can have upwards of 10k eHP when active and at maxed Skills can run their Hardeners fairly often
Don't act like your posts are special it makes you look like a douche
They're not special, but they're not the same "THIS IS WHAT AV AND TANKS NEED, NERF THIS, BUFF THAT." as every post seems to be doing, the additions are obvious and are needed, CCP needs to know that, we need to discuss more of it.
While they're not in game, neither are the next set of numbers, it can all be added in. Also, a single Active max skills for shields runs at a duration of 30 seconds, a cooldown of 45 seconds, that's a lot of time to pop them, it's just their ability to move versus Infantrys ability to move that makes them so difficult to defeat.
Also, as a general rule, I'll be a douche when it's necessary.
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