A militia AR can wreck a proto suit in no time. What's the difference?

well as of now rail has higher damage than the old compressed railgun and higher RoF. And back then tanks had higher hit points to deal with. even against a blaster or missile in close quarters a rail still wins.

a rail should be a long range to mid range weapin and not used at close quarters and still bee number one. prehaps if it had an effect where it started off low damage and increased the longer it traveled it would be better. obiously with a cap at the damage it has now.

Rails are good at taking out other vehicles and instillations.

Blasters are good a taking out infantry.

You sound butt hurt about rails.

No QQ here. I'm loving the tank spam. The game feels like something more than a free to play CoD with such a strong vehicle presence. It's not perfectly balanced (yet) but it's fun as hell, even from a purely infantry perspective.

But, I don't expect vehicle prices to stay exactly the same, not as a balancing point anyway. CCP is probably in full on data collection mode and with all vehicles so accessible, it makes the job that much easier. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a vehicle based event around the corner. Whether to collect data or not, it's long overdue.

One thing that 1.7 exposed however, is that there are a lot of spoiled infantry and "dedicated" AV out there that got soft ofer the past 6 months, still using the same tactics and expecting the same results as when vehicles were utterly crippled in Uprising 1.0-1.6. The irony is that vehicles (especially tanks) are even more squishy but can only have short engagements before having to haul ass and heal/restock. It's very much what infantry combat should be. Once people stop QQing and step their game up a bit (with some minor tweaks to balancing) the growing pains will subside and people can go back to crying about logis, mass drivers, or whatever the hell else they'd rather blame over their own shortcomings.

At the end of the day, you gotta give Wolfman respect. He's doing Obama tier work when it comes to making Dust fun again.

Now, who's lamb do I have to glaze to get RE's buffed so I don't have to use 4 boundless to take out a MLT tank?

Rails are good at taking out other vehicles and instillations.

Blasters are good a taking out infantry.

You sound butt hurt about rails.

I'm sure Bob was in another thread; stating how OP his tank hardeners were. That may be the opinion of anyone who sits in a tank, and absorbs a few volleys of militia swarms.

Then you get hit by ProtoSwarms/Forge, Railgun Tanks/Installations, Sticky explosives/Kamikaze LAVs, and you start to realize that you aren't an invincible powerhouse as everyone makes you out to be.

Between large rails and blasters, your either going to be good at killing infantry or vehicles. Your going to have to pick one and live with your choice.

Also unsure of what large missile turrets are good for yet.

in PC proto forges still **** me the **** off and end up making the other tank win in a tank v tank fight. AV is still there. but i do agree points for vehicle damage would make it a lot better.

i think MLT tanks should be, just as a militia dropsuit can kill proto a MLT tank should be able to do the same. This also encourages more ppl to become tank drivers as it doesn't take a lot of SP anymore to make a decent tank.

Light av should not hurt like it does now and heavy av should like it does now. no change is needed.

They're pointless in the hands of people who don't know where and how to use them. In one match I popped two tanks and a dropship all by myself with my nerfed swarms. It's now critical where you're set up in order to do this, in other words, it now takes skill to use swarms.

In 1.7 a well fitted Soma could still take out a Maddie or Gunnlogi if the guy in the Soma knew what they were doing or if the Madrugar or Gunnlogi Pilot didn't know what they were doing.

And what about AV? Why shouldn't new players be encouraged to use AV as opposed to just spamming risk and skill free HAVs?

Heavy AV should not have higher damage outputs. The Forge Gun and Swarm Launcher already had it's strengths and weaknesses in comparison to each other. A Forge Gun had super fast travel time, more rounds per clip, more base ammo (even though other suits could use nanohives), the ability to kill infantry, and was pretty much the only way to kill a good DS pilot.

The Forge Gun and Swarm Launcher needs to have it's strengths and weaknesses against each-other of course, but they should by no means be 100% better than Swarm Launchers. That creates a FoTM, and guarantees that nobody will ever use the Swarm Launcher (not that anyone would already). Why would anyone use anything when the alternative is 100% better?

Also, please don't pull a Char and say that FG users spend more SP or ISK than SL users. They don't. The costs of both ISK, SP, and even LP is identical. Please don't pull a Char.

Also, does it look like people play nothing but PC? You can't balance something around a game-mode that less than 5% of the playerbase participates in, or could participate in if they truly desired. If you are going to allow something to be balanced for one thing yet broken for another; then it would only be fair to remove it from the place that it is broken in.

But hey. Since it's perfectly okay to balance things around one game-mode, let's have all of the content in this game become balanced around Ambush. Why not? It's highly competitive as well.

This is DUST 514. Not Tank 514. Not COD 514. Not TryHard 514. Try AGAIN.

No QQ here. I'm loving the tank spam. The game feels like something more than a free to play CoD with such a strong vehicle presence. It's not perfectly balanced (yet) but it's fun as hell, even from a purely infantry perspective.

But, I don't expect vehicle prices to stay exactly the same, not as a balancing point anyway. CCP is probably in full on data collection mode and with all vehicles so accessible, it makes the job that much easier. I wouldn't be surprised if there's a vehicle based event around the corner. Whether to collect data or not, it's long overdue.

One thing that 1.7 exposed however, is that there are a lot of spoiled infantry and "dedicated" AV out there that got soft ofer the past 6 months, still using the same tactics and expecting the same results as when vehicles were utterly crippled in Uprising 1.0-1.6. The irony is that vehicles (especially tanks) are even more squishy but can only have short engagements before having to haul ass and heal/restock. It's very much what infantry combat should be. Once people stop QQing and step their game up a bit (with some minor tweaks to balancing) the growing pains will subside and people can go back to crying about logis, mass drivers, or whatever the hell else they'd rather blame over their own shortcomings.

At the end of the day, you gotta give Wolfman respect. He's doing Obama tier work when it comes to making Dust fun again.

Now, who's lamb do I have to glaze to get RE's buffed so I don't have to use 4 boundless to take out a MLT tank?

even against a blaster or missile in close quarters a rail still wins.

I am hating the tank spam but after some play time I realized it's easier to just call your own mlt tank and flank them than attempt to take them on with infantry AV

And this right here is the problem.

No one is to blame but CCP when free tanks become the go to AV choice, even for people with millions of SP invested in infantry AV.

Rails are AV. They should win against blasters and missiles when it comes to AV. I'm even inclined to say that blasters should do reduced damage to vehicles, to emphasize the fact that they are anti-infantry, and rails have a splash radius of .5m to emphasize that they are anti-vehicle.

Hahaha...... AV is used to make vehicles leave or give someone else the advantage like a sniper....lol

AV is ment to take out vehicles fullstop that's the hole idea of AV...... and a snipers jobe is to kill someone with one shot.

If one side has tanks as far as your concerned they should win, the idea of AV is to give people without tanks the chance to kick tank arse.... granted balancing does need to be looked at big time, but Av does need to be a little bit better .. just for there sake..... swarms arepointless now because of there speed

fine keep it the same. don't come crying to me when i start 2 shot or 3 shot killing tanks just like in chrome. in fact in PC i have already proved how effective it is and i don't even have the proto rail yet. XD

the rail is the armor rupturing, specialized anti-tank turret. it is very logical to me that its current strength is how it is. it seems like the unskilled turret traverse is exceedingly slower than last patch, so it is very hard to efficiently use as an anti-infantry weapon, not that a skilled driver can't do it.

Missiles will screw anyone's day over if they get that salvo off during cooldown.

blasters are the best anti-infantry weapon. I like it being good at that at the expense of armor-defeating potential. Its DPS isnt quite there to be king of vehicle warfare like before, which i thought wasnt quite right.

And this right here is the problem.

No one is to blame but CCP when free tanks become the go to AV choice, even for people with millions of SP invested in infantry AV.

i do agree rails should be priamary AV, but when the RoF and Damage per shot is higher than the old compressed rails with tanks with overall lower HP. without mods on. it makes it hard to even avoid dying or atempting to escape.

So many ways to kill tanks. If you let someone go 30-0 on you in a madrugar, it's because you're on a bad random team.