2x complex dampeners will hide a medium suit from all but that one proto scanner which has ridiculously high fitting requirements.

In pub matches, I don't run into people with proto scanners all too much, so 1x complex dampener is enough to counter any ADV scanner. In PC matches I use 2x complex dampeners so that there is only one proto scanner that can still scan me, if people care to actually use it.

The point is, if you want to flank than you have to dedicate a suit towards it. You just can not expect to be able to flank with any suit any time.

DUST is basically a huge game of rock paper scissors on the battlefield. Everything has a countermeasure but if you dont have that countermeasure atyour disposal, you're screwed. Damage has the countermeasure of armor/shield, without those, you're dead. Vehicles have the CM of AV weapons, without which you're dead, etc etc. If you're in a confrontation and are not equipped to deal to produce countermeasures to the enemy, that doesn't mean what they're using is OP.

More dimensions of gameplay are coming to D514, the next of these likely being in the guise of electronic warfare. Ewar is going to necessitate people speccing into countermeasures which will require suit resources. CCP Remnant talked about scrambling enemy minimaps and shutting off their voice comms. Are people going to moan about having to invest resources and suit resources into this too?

Play more DUST, earn more SP and spec into more countermeasures to the game's mechanics and use supply depos and a range of suits built for different purposes and use them tactically at the right time to meet your current objective because you can't really have it all.

That being said, the cool down could be a little longer.

One ADV/PRO profile dampener with skills does not counter a ADV/PRO scanner. That is a problem for med suits (assaults) since our job is to flank.

Lower base profile for all assaults from 50 to something that makes scanner/profile ratio work like above. That will make assaults unique.

My tank cares little about your puny devices.

The thing is, that even if you have that countermeasure, you are gimped against the suit that is using the scanner.

If the scanner reduced HP or something then yeah, but it doesn't.

Rock Paper Scissors is broken if you bring paper to kill rock, and rock doesn't die because it's stronger.

If you are dying too easily while running profile dampeners then you need to equip a scanner yourself and change up your tactics.

There is a huge advantage to going around being unseen, yet seeing the position of your enemies. This allows you to get the drop on them quite often and enables you to choose your engagements. I used to run advanced Gal Logi with 2x Complex Extenders, a Basic Armor Plate, and 2x Complex Dampeners. The lower HP didn't hinder me as much as you'd think because my enemy was nearly dead by the time they knew that I was behind them and killing them.

If you're running dampeners and sticking with an undampened squad, then unless you are the flanking guy, you'll be at a disadvantage due to your lower HP and your squadmates giving you away.

Actually I run Cal Logi and Cal Assault too. Unfortunately I can't run double dampeners on the advanced versions of either suit due to needing a CPU chip, hence my Gal Logi example.

But if your primary complaint is that armor tankers sacrifice too much when using dampeners, then don't use them and stick with your squad. Everyone knows that armor benefits more from squad support than does shields.

No my complaint wasn't about armor specifically.

You said it yourself, until you reach proto you can't afford to fit a damp on the Caldari suit.

Gal Logis have a lot of low slots, in addition to have 4 equipment, meaning they can have a damp and a scanner while still having ammo, triage hives, proper amounts of HP, etc'.

Have you tried using a scout?

All I know is that I always see "Scan Attempt Prevented"
I love it when they see me, I disappear, then they scan and get no results for me. I dig it when they are lost without their scanner.

BTW cat merc my anti scanner fit (all of them) has waay more than 100 less HP than yours.

They do need a nerf. The spinning/sweeping and error message should be addressed, but the biggest problem with the scanner is that you can scan often enough that the enemy is always scanned.

Allowing one or both teams to have a constant feed of the enemy's location kills the usefulness of tactics and simplifies the battlefield so that you're only either pushing forward or falling back. For example, want to try a flanking maneuver? You just divided your forces in half and the enemy can capitalize on that by focusing on the smaller of the two groups.

This is why scanners need to have a cooldown of 7x or 8x the time enemy's are spotted. Why so high? That way a dedicated scan logi could provide a good feed on enemy locations, but it isn't perfect which gives room for the enemy to attempt other tactics. For everyone else, the scanner then becomes a tool to get a snapshot of enemy locations allowing attackers to know how many defenders they are up against or to find weaknesses in the enemy formations such as a weak flank.

The problem with saying people should use profile dampeners to counter scanners is that dampeners are a specialization. They are a module that is meant for a specific purpose (to build a stealth suit). However, with the current scanner, they are almost a requirement for using any tactics more advanced than push forward or fall back. Profile dampeners should aid in performing tactics by allowing the user to avoid scanners, not be a requirement.

(Side note: This change would reduce the necessity and utility of dampeners as scanners would become less of a threat and less common. However, this is a problem with scan profile, not the dampeners. Scan profile has limited use aside from avoiding scanners. I'm hoping CCP will expand upon the uses of scan profile (and scan precision) in the future through E-Warfare and changes to line-of-sight spotting.)

It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game.
Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down
Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down
Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are

It breaks too many things.

If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway.
My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower.
Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.

Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.

My Scout suit has 100 eHP total and 0 regen and still gets scanner-pwned. Don't complain.

2x complex dampeners will hide a medium suit from all but that one proto scanner which has ridiculously high fitting requirements.

In pub matches, I don't run into people with proto scanners all too much, so 1x complex dampener is enough to counter any ADV scanner. In PC matches I use 2x complex dampeners so that there is only one proto scanner that can still scan me, if people care to actually use it.

The point is, if you want to flank than you have to dedicate a suit towards it. You just can not expect to be able to flank with any suit any time.

In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king? Well in the land of the sighted, the invisible man is king. Profile dampeners work people.

It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game.
Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down
Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down
Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are

It breaks too many things.

If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway.
My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower.
Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.

Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.

It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game.
Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down
Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down
Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are

It breaks too many things.

If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway.
My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower.
Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.

Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.