DUST Search - Active scanner must die

Jebus McKing wrote:

Cat Merc wrote:

Jebus McKing wrote:

Use dampeners. You won't be gimped.

Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people.

I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit.

Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking.

huhuh.
And what do you think happens when that person turns around and see's you?
Do you think he will just go down peacfully?
No, he will shoot at you, and kill you, because his suit doesn't have profile damps or anything like that, so he has more killing power.

"My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower."

I just had a match with that suit and went 40/7 (no orbitals) against fully-tanked proto tryhards.

If you use damage mods and dampeners, they won't have more "killing power" than you. You just have to play smarter and flank them all the time.

I'm not talking about some theoretical bullshit here. I am actually running fittings with dampeners ALL THE TIME. But you HAVE to adapt your playstyle if you want to use them. OR you stick with your dual-tanking and stop complaining.

Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.

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Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4685	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:10:00 - [1] - Quote It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game. Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are It breaks too many things. If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway. Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Kasote Denzara A Vulture 1344	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:14:00 - [2] - Quote But if it does get nerfed, how will people crutch?! SWEET MOTHER OF TERESA ON THE HOOD OF A MERCEDES BENZ, YOU SOUND LIKE A MAJESTIC F*ING EAGLE! DO YOU SING?!
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 468	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:15:00 - [3] - Quote Two things: - Increase the recharge time - Force players unable to move until it finishes the scan, or if they move they cancel the scan. That would reduce scanning spam and would make the scanner's scan angles matter. As it stands, you don't care if you're buying a 45-¦ or 60-¦ angle scanner because you can just circle around as you use it and render that equipment stat irrelevant. em ta kool t'nod
PARKOUR PRACTIONER REDLINE ASSAULT OPERATIONS 24	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:42:00 - [4] - Quote I love executing blissfully unaware people who think they're safe because they have scanners. XD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT When in doubt, shoot the hostage. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
NOAMIzzzzz Pradox One Proficiency V. 70	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:46:00 - [5] - Quote i agree with this thread it's wallhacks i say WALLHACKS
Mad Mav DUST University Ivy League 265	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:47:00 - [6] - Quote Possibly nerf the range as well? I'll spawn in the MCC and the first thing I see is "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED." It's worse than going through an airport. Si vis pacem, para bellum.
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4689	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:47:00 - [7] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I love executing blissfully unaware people who think they're safe because they have scanners. XD As much as I love that, if they have eyes, they will kill you since they aren't sacrificing their suit. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
PARKOUR PRACTIONER REDLINE ASSAULT OPERATIONS 24	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:52:00 - [8] - Quote I abused that fact that they DONT use they're eyes. At least the fantastically unaware people I've executed. And even then... its too late. XD 'Don't talk to strangers, shoot them.' Snow LOCKOUT When in doubt, shoot the hostage. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 521	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:54:00 - [9] - Quote Yes, the scan-spam is making this game lame. Just a piece of equipment that had no use and didn't work, then they changed the game just so they could implement it while everyone is still waiting on better roles, suits, vehicles,....
Yagihige Crux Special Tasks Group Gallente Federation 469	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:55:00 - [10] - Quote Mad Mav wrote: Possibly nerf the range as well? I'll spawn in the MCC and the first thing I see is "YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED." It's worse than going through an airport. I always thought that was it showing the message from being scanned just before you were killed. I'm pretty sure i've spawned in places where it was practically impossible to be scanned and still got the message. em ta kool t'nod

Oswald Rehnquist 867	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:56:00 - [11] - Quote If we are getting cloaks like which was recently confirmed scanners will be needed in some form. Below 28 dB
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4693	Posted - 2013.12.13 10:59:00 - [12] - Quote Oswald Rehnquist wrote: If we are getting cloaks like which was recently confirmed scanners will be needed in some form. Did I say remove scanners? I said nerf them. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 201	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:00:00 - [13] - Quote Use dampeners. You won't be gimped. Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people. I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit. Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4693	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:03:00 - [14] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Use dampeners. You won't be gimped. Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people. I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit. Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. huhuh. And what do you think happens when that person turns around and see's you? Do you think he will just go down peacfully? No, he will shoot at you, and kill you, because his suit doesn't have profile damps or anything like that, so he has more killing power. "My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower." Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Callidus Vanus The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 151	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:04:00 - [15] - Quote Just make it so that the person using the scanner also shown up on the mini map for the enemy team, a sort of risk vs reward. Also on the note of the mini map, is it broken? ive been standing right next to enemy drop uplinks and they havent even shown up on the minimap let alone tanks and infantry shooting at me from point blank.
Oswald Rehnquist 867	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:06:00 - [16] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Oswald Rehnquist wrote: If we are getting cloaks like which was recently confirmed scanners will be needed in some form. Did I say remove scanners? I said nerf them. What I failed to elaborate was how potent or weak cloaks would be is kind of a mystery, so that is kind of a wild card in regards to what are the minimal features scanners to do to have to give it some trouble. Below 28 dB
Acturus Galaxy Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd 289	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:07:00 - [17] - Quote PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I love executing blissfully unaware people who think they're safe because they have scanners. XD And jumping a logi with his scanner active is fun, he panics as he cannot change weapon until the scanning is finished. Just for him to activate the scanner.
PEW JACKSON s i n g u l a r i t y 124	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:07:00 - [18] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Use dampeners. You won't be gimped. Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people. I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit. Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. Try two complex damps on a light frame, then come tell us you're not gimped.
Drifter MAGGOT KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 124	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:10:00 - [19] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game. Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are It breaks too many things. If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway. My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower. Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit. Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily. This has been brought up before. Suggestions were that they be: Only can be equipped on scout suits for recon Only equipped with the SL
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 201	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:11:00 - [20] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Use dampeners. You won't be gimped. Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people. I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit. Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. huhuh. And what do you think happens when that person turns around and see's you? Do you think he will just go down peacfully? No, he will shoot at you, and kill you, because his suit doesn't have profile damps or anything like that, so he has more killing power. "My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower." I just had a match with that suit and went 40/7 (no orbitals) against fully-tanked proto tryhards. If you use damage mods and dampeners, they won't have more "killing power" than you. You just have to play smarter and flank them all the time. I'm not talking about some theoretical bullshit here. I am actually running fittings with dampeners ALL THE TIME. But you HAVE to adapt your playstyle if you want to use them. OR you stick with your dual-tanking and stop complaining. @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô

Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 450	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:12:00 - [21] - Quote I miss the Chess game on the Radar DUST used to be... It balanced it for the new players and the old..Active scanners are a cool idea but that's where my praise stops. It ruins so much of the balance a new player coming into this game should enjoy and hands massive advantages for little reason to the older player. In PC scanners are ran 24/7 negating a lot of what scouts and assaults are for... needs to be more balance with scanners and dampeners if we are gonna be forced to keep this scanning mechanic. Regardless of the parity between the two types of modules the scanner will continue to hurt new players more then offer benefits and enjoyment to players that are here.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 337	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:13:00 - [22] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: PARKOUR PRACTIONER wrote: I love executing blissfully unaware people who think they're safe because they have scanners. XD As much as I love that, if they have eyes, they will kill you since they aren't sacrificing their suit. And even if you beat their scanner they still get a note that says "hey there is a scout that beats me be aware"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 4694	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:16:00 - [23] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Use dampeners. You won't be gimped. Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people. I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit. Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. huhuh. And what do you think happens when that person turns around and see's you? Do you think he will just go down peacfully? No, he will shoot at you, and kill you, because his suit doesn't have profile damps or anything like that, so he has more killing power. "My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower." I just had a match with that suit and went 40/7 (no orbitals) against fully-tanked proto tryhards. If you use damage mods and dampeners, they won't have more "killing power" than you. You just have to play smarter and flank them all the time. I'm not talking about some theoretical bullshit here. I am actually running fittings with dampeners ALL THE TIME. But you HAVE to adapt your playstyle if you want to use them. OR you stick with your dual-tanking and stop complaining. I actually never dual tank. I avoid dual tanking as much as possible. Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives. Tuna > Tacos
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 450	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:18:00 - [24] - Quote Jebus McKing wrote: Use dampeners. You won't be gimped. Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people. I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit. Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. Sure you can run a dampening flank suit, but at a massive disadvantage to a brick tank with a proto scanner, which you still probably won't hide from unless a scout.
Smoky Fingers 152	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:22:00 - [25] - Quote giving scanners an optimal and effective range is a start. No one ever pays me in gum :<
wripple warravens League of Infamy 110	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:22:00 - [26] - Quote You have been scanned. Run a scanner for once my friend, you'll thank me. I run a dual damage modded assault with a 16 second scanner; I'm relatively light on hp so I scan to make sure that I'm the one shooting first.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 881	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:23:00 - [27] - Quote I say BUFF profile dampeners instead. Profile damps are kind of useless on medium suits. They should be useful for flanking assaults. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Valmorgan Aubaris Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services ACME Holding Conglomerate 2	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:23:00 - [28] - Quote I agree the scanner is far too much, I'm seeing "You have been scanned" before I even hit the ground and screen becomes detailed instead of black! EVE alliance seeks mercs, join Stellar and Orbital Strategic Services today! Let's gank Scotty.
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. Public Disorder. 201	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:25:00 - [29] - Quote Bethhy wrote: Jebus McKing wrote: Use dampeners. You won't be gimped. Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people. I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit. Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. Sure you can run a dampening flank suit, but at a massive disadvantage to a brick tank/dmg suit with a proto scanner, which you still probably won't hide from unless a scout. 2x complex dampeners will hide a medium suit from all but that one proto scanner which has ridiculously high fitting requirements. In pub matches, I don't run into people with proto scanners all too much, so 1x complex dampener is enough to counter any ADV scanner. In PC matches I use 2x complex dampeners so that there is only one proto scanner that can still scan me, if people care to actually use it. The point is, if you want to flank than you have to dedicate a suit towards it. You just can not expect to be able to flank with any suit any time. @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 337	Posted - 2013.12.13 11:27:00 - [30] - Quote Removing the scanner texts would be my first aproach -> either you catch a signal or not its on your tac net so I don't need that thing to tell me that it has scanned and this would make dampeners viable as you could achieve stealth...



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