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rretri bution
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Posted - 2013.12.13 22:55:00 -
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ratamaq doc wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Bethhy wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Use dampeners. You won't be gimped.
Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people.
I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit.
Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. Sure you can run a dampening flank suit, but at a massive disadvantage to a brick tank/dmg suit with a proto scanner, which you still probably won't hide from unless a scout. 2x complex dampeners will hide a medium suit from all but that one proto scanner which has ridiculously high fitting requirements. In pub matches, I don't run into people with proto scanners all too much, so 1x complex dampener is enough to counter any ADV scanner. In PC matches I use 2x complex dampeners so that there is only one proto scanner that can still scan me, if people care to actually use it. The point is, if you want to flank than you have to dedicate a suit towards it. You just can not expect to be able to flank with any suit any time. Finally, another believer. Jebus these guys just won't listen. Profile Dampeners are the way to go. The only class that has the right to complain is the min assault because it only has 2 low slots, and heavies. Any suite that has 3 or more low slots has no right to cry because you have a counter. If you haven't skilled or tried this counter yourself you have no right to speak on this because you are making assumptions and scared to lose EHP or Reps. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king? Well in the land of the sighted, the invisible man is king. Profile dampeners work people.
advanced scouts are screwed because we only have 2 low slots, if we wear dampeners we have to lose speed, speed is the only defense we have since we can't wear armor either, even if we skill into profile dampening we still cant beat proto scanners without wearing dampeners, if we wear dampeners then we become slow squishy scouts which is completely useless
and as far as mediums suits, we have to skill into profile dampening and wear dampeners just to beat advanced scanners and we still won't beat proto scanners, on top of that we will be running around with 350 hp which makes us vulnerable to AR spam
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rretri bution
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:04:00 -
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Bojo The Mighty wrote:Have you tried using a scout?
All I know is that I always see "Scan Attempt Prevented" I love it when they see me, I disappear, then they scan and get no results for me. I dig it when they are lost without their scanner.
BTW cat merc my anti scanner fit (all of them) has waay more than 100 less HP than yours.
this is probably the only advantage to being a scout these days, to bad we can't infiltrate objectives since they blink when being hacked so everyone knows we are there and we can't ambush at objectives because they have a 20m passive scan and we get massively screwed in every other depatment since mediums suits can do all our roles better |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
832
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:07:00 -
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rretri bution wrote:ratamaq doc wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Bethhy wrote:Jebus McKing wrote:Use dampeners. You won't be gimped.
Except, of course, if the only "tactic" you are able to use is running straight at people.
I'm running a medium suit that has 418 total HP, 2x damage mods, 1x complex dampener for the last couple of weeks. And I think it is more effective than a fully dual-tanked suit.
Active scanners "negating tactics" is absolutely bullshit. If you want to flank, make a fitting that is suitable to flanking. Sure you can run a dampening flank suit, but at a massive disadvantage to a brick tank/dmg suit with a proto scanner, which you still probably won't hide from unless a scout. 2x complex dampeners will hide a medium suit from all but that one proto scanner which has ridiculously high fitting requirements. In pub matches, I don't run into people with proto scanners all too much, so 1x complex dampener is enough to counter any ADV scanner. In PC matches I use 2x complex dampeners so that there is only one proto scanner that can still scan me, if people care to actually use it. The point is, if you want to flank than you have to dedicate a suit towards it. You just can not expect to be able to flank with any suit any time. Finally, another believer. Jebus these guys just won't listen. Profile Dampeners are the way to go. The only class that has the right to complain is the min assault because it only has 2 low slots, and heavies. Any suite that has 3 or more low slots has no right to cry because you have a counter. If you haven't skilled or tried this counter yourself you have no right to speak on this because you are making assumptions and scared to lose EHP or Reps. In the land of the blind the one eyed man is king? Well in the land of the sighted, the invisible man is king. Profile dampeners work people. advanced scouts are screwed because we only have 2 low slots, if we wear dampeners we have to lose speed, speed is the only defense we have since we can't wear armor either, even if we skill into profile dampening we still cant beat proto scanners without wearing dampeners, if we wear dampeners then we become slow squishy scouts which is completely useless and as far as mediums suits, we have to skill into profile dampening and wear dampeners just to beat advanced scanners and we still won't beat proto scanners, on top of that we will be running around with 350 hp which makes us vulnerable to AR spam Not even to mention the Minassault with only 2 lows and a brand new nerf to shield extenders.
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CrotchGrab 360
Caldari State
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:08:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game. Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are
It breaks too many things.
If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway. My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower. Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.
Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.
it should be outright removed from this game
along with installations, remote explosives, airstrikes and tanks in ambush.
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Joel II X
Lo-Tech Solutions Ltd
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:10:00 -
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Yagihige wrote:Two things:
- Increase the recharge time - Force players unable to move until it finishes the scan, or if they move they cancel the scan.
That would reduce scanning spam and would make the scanner's scan angles matter. As it stands, you don't care if you're buying a 45-¦ or 60-¦ angle scanner because you can just circle around as you use it and render that equipment stat irrelevant. This should be sticky. |
Our Deepest Regret
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:11:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Oswald Rehnquist wrote:If we are getting cloaks like which was recently confirmed scanners will be needed in some form. Did I say remove scanners? I said nerf them.
I'll say remove those scanners. I ******* hate those things. If they have to stay, then they should only work on cloaked targets. |
Aikuchi Tomaru
Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore
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Posted - 2013.12.13 23:13:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game. Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are
It breaks too many things.
If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway. My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower. Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.
Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.
Have you played when peoples passive scans were shared with the whole team? The active scanner already did nerf that. And yeah. Everything you complain about is why the scanner exists. So you just want it removed. |
xXCleopatra FlippantXx
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:37:00 -
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Callidus Vanus wrote:Just make it so that the person using the scanner also shown up on the mini map for the enemy team, a sort of risk vs reward. .
This has to be implemented
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xXCleopatra FlippantXx
Red Star. EoN.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:39:00 -
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Joel II X wrote:Yagihige wrote:Two things:
- Increase the recharge time - Force players unable to move until it finishes the scan, or if they move they cancel the scan.
That would reduce scanning spam and would make the scanner's scan angles matter. As it stands, you don't care if you're buying a 45-¦ or 60-¦ angle scanner because you can just circle around as you use it and render that equipment stat irrelevant. This should be sticky.
and this |
calisk galern
BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder.
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:41:00 -
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so here's what you do.
use a scanner, or squad with a scanner. face it scanners are useful, if you are in an assault suit and don't have one you should be in a squad that is using one.
they aren't the all seeing eye of sauron like you make them out to be, but they are important to the battle field, and honestly theirs no reason they shouldn't be. sorry but uplinks don't have the monopoly on useful equipment. |
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NAV HIV
The Generals General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:44:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game. Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are
It breaks too many things.
If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway. My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower. Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.
Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.
I have that "You have been Scanned" on my screen most of the time... It actually helps me shoot em better... Cause i know they are coming for me... Besides with all the cloaking n all, i think i'll start carrying one too... |
Bones McGavins
TacoCat Industries
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:49:00 -
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Scanners are fine. It takes ONE slot to counter advanced scanners. Thats it. If you are so bad at this game that you need to run your proto suit tanked to the max to do anything effectively than thats on you. Up until scanners, low slots had 3 uses, kincats, plates or reps. This gives a nice 4th reason for lows which helps make builds unique.
I can go for speed, tank or stealth.
Stop whining. Its super easy to get under the scanner and my "stealth" play has gotten 10x easier since the scanners since people are lazier and more focused on the red dots they DO scan so they dont notice me slipping around. Seriously. It is WAY easier to play a flanking, stealth based role now that scanners are here.
Use a scanner yourself to plan out your flanking route and make sure nobody spots you, then come in for the kill. Its like MGS in the mdidle of Dust, its fantastic. |
Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance
1000
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:51:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game. Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are
It breaks too many things.
If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway. My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower. Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.
Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.
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Takron Nistrom
Tinfoil Hatz
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:52:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:It absolutely negates any form of tactic in this game. Can't flank - Enemy will just cut you down Can't rush in unexpectibly - Enemy expects it and cuts you down Can't dance around boxes - Enemy knows exactly where you are
It breaks too many things.
If you put on profile damps then you are just gimped and can't fight against those scanner users anyway. My anti scanner suit has 100 less HP and regenerates 5hp/s slower. Compared to the logi that just lolspam his scanner and has scarifices nothing on his suit.
Active scanner MUST be nerfed heavily.
You do know they are right? don't you read dev posts?
Recharge is increased to 40-50 sec or so and it doesn't have a scan time anymore, it only takes a snapshot of the direction you are facing when you use it.
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ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:55:00 -
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Just remove the damn thing all together along with aim assist. Then we can go back to actually having to use intel gathering using scouts / people to gather information and skills to actually shoot.
Also I'm so sick of being shot through walls and around corners I am tempted to say to CCP - Fix KB/M and make it work properly or remove KB/M support all together and get rid of AA.
Two of the biggest things reminding me why this game has issues. |
Disturbingly Bored
The Strontium Asylum
1508
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:55:00 -
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I'm going to say, as an HMG Heavy, I love active scanners on the enemy team.
People see a red tag around the corner and charge in thinking "Woo, free kill!"
Then I reduce the poor sucker to fine red mist. Saves me the trouble of having to go chase them down.
Long live the wall hack!
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Maken Tosch
Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.01.29 18:55:00 -
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Guys, this is an old thread dating back to last month. The active scanner stats for the next update have been posted early this month. Please read the sticky threads in the feedback section of the forums before necroing this thread.
Source: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=137525&find=unread
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