You and Atiim have the same ideas.


*shudders*

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

It makes no sense for 1 player to be powerful enough that the other side needs to dedicate half a squad to deal with. Now, I'm not implying tanks should be solo'd, but the way they're used vs the way they're countered don't match up.

If it costs my team 3 AV'ers to push your tanks back - then it should cost the other side at least 2 players to use the tank properly.

So, my suggestion, is take away tanks ability to drive and shoot. They either pilot - or they shoot.

"If they implement this idea I'm quitting tanks!" Good, gtfo. Quitting tanks because you can't be a god on the field just proves you were only in it to be better then everyone else. Why are LAV and most DS limited to being the pilot or turret driver - but a tank, with more HP and power, doesn't?

"Assault dropships..." Still suck. Ever tried aiming with one? It's not as easy as it is a tank, so it's far more acceptable, not to mention how easy it is to push one off you or others, or just blow them up. 1v1, FG vs Assault DS - the FG still wins.

It makes no sense for one person to be powerful enough that a whole team has to dedicate a squad of tankers to win...

wtf are you even talking about? What suit or situation requires 6 tanks to handle?

Sorry, I really have no clue, but what i mean to say was, It makes no sense for one player to take down a whole squad of tankers..

Sorry, I really have no clue, but what i mean to say was, It makes no sense for one player to take down a whole squad of tankers..

"Assault dropships..." Still suck. Ever tried aiming with one? It's not as easy as it is a tank, so it's far more acceptable, not to mention how easy it is to push one off you or others, or just blow them up. 1v1, FG vs Assault DS - the FG still wins.

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

It makes no sense for 1 player to be powerful enough that the other side needs to dedicate half a squad to deal with. Now, I'm not implying tanks should be solo'd, but the way they're used vs the way they're countered don't match up.

If it costs my team 3 AV'ers to push your tanks back - then it should cost the other side at least 2 players to use the tank properly.

So, my suggestion, is take away tanks ability to drive and shoot. They either pilot - or they shoot.

"If they implement this idea I'm quitting tanks!" Good, gtfo. Quitting tanks because you can't be a god on the field just proves you were only in it to be better then everyone else. Why are LAV and most DS limited to being the pilot or turret driver - but a tank, with more HP and power, doesn't?

"Assault dropships..." Still suck. Ever tried aiming with one? It's not as easy as it is a tank, so it's far more acceptable, not to mention how easy it is to push one off you or others, or just blow them up. 1v1, FG vs Assault DS - the FG still wins.

Didn't have to read much of the OP. when you infantry start paying the price of three proto dropsuits to bring one clone to the battle then I will be ok with infantry soloing tanks. ISK is the balance factor here. Someone (one person out of they're own pocket) is paying to bring in the value of three protos for one death. Team work should be required.

That isnt what he is saying..he is saying tanks should work like lavs kinda.. have a driver and a gunner..not drive and gun at the same time

I've said this before buy HAV should have massively devastating and highly power main battle canon for anti tank combat, while small turrets are used by gunners to take down infantry.

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

It makes no sense for 1 player to be powerful enough that the other side needs to dedicate half a squad to deal with. Now, I'm not implying tanks should be solo'd, but the way they're used vs the way they're countered don't match up.

I've posted the same thing multiple times over the past year.

Math from a Tankers perspective (remember, most of them flunked kindergarten):

1. 3v1 is balance - it should require at least 3 AVers to take a solo tanker

2. 1 tank dominating an entire team for 5+ matches before dieing is balance.

3. Advance tank should always trump proto anti-vehicle

With this new crap update, I've spent more sp on my suit than a tanker, more isk on my lav+suit than a tank, and yet they will still argue that they deserve to win every time in 1v1. Don't try to speak logic to them. They'll only cry and try to bring you down to their level of stupidity.

CCP will always listen to the people that cry the most. I used to think that they had good customer service, but now I know they lack any real common sense of creating a competitive fps. I don't think the devs even play their own game before updates are released. I refuse to believe they actually thought 1.7 was good while playing it.

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

It makes no sense for 1 player to be powerful enough that the other side needs to dedicate half a squad to deal with. Now, I'm not implying tanks should be solo'd, but the way they're used vs the way they're countered don't match up.

If it costs my team 3 AV'ers to push your tanks back - then it should cost the other side at least 2 players to use the tank properly.

So, my suggestion, is take away tanks ability to drive and shoot. They either pilot - or they shoot.

"If they implement this idea I'm quitting tanks!" Good, gtfo. Quitting tanks because you can't be a god on the field just proves you were only in it to be better then everyone else. Why are LAV and most DS limited to being the pilot or turret driver - but a tank, with more HP and power, doesn't?

"Assault dropships..." Still suck. Ever tried aiming with one? It's not as easy as it is a tank, so it's far more acceptable, not to mention how easy it is to push one off you or others, or just blow them up. 1v1, FG vs Assault DS - the FG still wins.

I bolded the part some of you may of skipped over.

+1 for flunking kindergarten.

And +infinity for everything else.

Tanks are primarily designed to fight against other tanks.

Missiles and Railguns are both MUCH better as AV weapons than they are at hitting infantry. Blaster Tanks are murderous against infantry, but die really fast against other tanks, which they can't hurt anywhere near as effectively.

So the best AV against Rail and Missile tanks is infantry AV, and the best AV against Blaster tanks is another tank. It's like how AV infantry struggle at best when fighting other infantry, but they do a lot of damage to vehicles.

Is the balance perfect as-is? No. Do some kinks need working out? Yes. Is there a bug that a LOT of players are exploiting for magical flying tanks? Yes.

A lone AV guy may not kill a tank, but unless it's fitted for anti-infantry work, he should be quite capable of surviving as long as it does. Your goal as AV isn't necessarily to KILL the tank - you just need to keep pressure on it so that it can't kill your teammates. In honor of this EXTREMELY important role, I'm bringing back the suggestion that they need to revive vehicle damage WP, because that was really helpful.

I'd be just fine with AV soloing tanks if completely fit tanks cost as much as a completly fit drop suit. I'd have absolutly no problem with that.

I'd be just fine with AV soloing tanks if completely fit tanks cost as much as a completly fit drop suit. I'd have absolutly no problem with that.

Didn't have to read much of the OP. when you infantry start paying the price of three proto dropsuits to bring one clone to the battle then I will be ok with infantry soloing tanks. ISK is the balance factor here. Someone (one person out of they're own pocket) is paying to bring in the value of three protos for one death. Team work should be required.