DUST Search - Another Tank Thread!

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Tanks are primarily designed to fight against other tanks.

Missiles and Railguns are both MUCH better as AV weapons than they are at hitting infantry. Blaster Tanks are murderous against infantry, but die really fast against other tanks, which they can't hurt anywhere near as effectively.

So the best AV against Rail and Missile tanks is infantry AV, and the best AV against Blaster tanks is another tank. It's like how AV infantry struggle at best when fighting other infantry, but they do a lot of damage to vehicles.

Is the balance perfect as-is? No. Do some kinks need working out? Yes. Is there a bug that a LOT of players are exploiting for magical flying tanks? Yes.

A lone AV guy may not kill a tank, but unless it's fitted for anti-infantry work, he should be quite capable of surviving as long as it does. Your goal as AV isn't necessarily to KILL the tank - you just need to keep pressure on it so that it can't kill your teammates. In honor of this EXTREMELY important role, I'm bringing back the suggestion that they need to revive vehicle damage WP, because that was really helpful.


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Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1873	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:45:00 - [1] - Quote So this is your thread. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1879	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:17:00 - [2] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Tanks are primarily designed to fight against other tanks. Missiles and Railguns are both MUCH better as AV weapons than they are at hitting infantry. Blaster Tanks are murderous against infantry, but die really fast against other tanks, which they can't hurt anywhere near as effectively. So the best AV against Rail and Missile tanks is infantry AV, and the best AV against Blaster tanks is another tank. It's like how AV infantry struggle at best when fighting other infantry, but they do a lot of damage to vehicles. Is the balance perfect as-is? No. Do some kinks need working out? Yes. Is there a bug that a LOT of players are exploiting for magical flying tanks? Yes. A lone AV guy may not kill a tank, but unless it's fitted for anti-infantry work, he should be quite capable of surviving as long as it does. Your goal as AV isn't necessarily to KILL the tank - you just need to keep pressure on it so that it can't kill your teammates. In honor of this EXTREMELY important role, I'm bringing back the suggestion that they need to revive vehicle damage WP, because that was really helpful. No, our only goal as AV is to KILL the tank. If it wasn't our goal, CCP wouldn't have changed it to where we no longer receive points for damaging a vehicle, but only when the vehicle is destroyed. We also wouldn't be titled "ANTI-Vehicle. If you can supply a quote and link from a CCP developer saying that the role of AV is to simply "suppress" a vehicle, then you can feel free to say otherwise. The role of AV is important how? I can grab a Sica or Soma that's better at AV than my Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher, Allotek Plasma Cannon, and Ishukone Assault Forge Gun could ever hope to possibly become. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1879	Posted - 2013.12.12 02:20:00 - [3] - Quote Son-Of A-Gun wrote: I'd be just fine with AV soloing tanks if completely fit tanks cost as much as a completly fit drop suit. I'd have absolutly no problem with that. They already do. The hull itself costs 97,500 ISK. That's nearly half the cost of my best AV fit and is waaay less than my PRO logi fit. If the price of HAVs were reduced anymore, they'd be spammed infinitely with little to no concern or consequence whatsoever. Oh wait DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1896	Posted - 2013.12.12 14:29:00 - [4] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: this thread has been around since closed beta, your idea isn't new nor original. it has been answered 1000s of times conclusively. NO why? because tanking is expensive not only isk wise but SP wise as well. why should it take two people to operate a machine that I could literally have all my SP in, if I don't have a gunner I can't play. I'll burn in hell before another blueberry gets in my tank(offence intended blueberry gunners you are like cancer, I could gun better with only my feet). "AVers should be able to solo tanks but it should take 2 people one person operating the legs and the other the av weapon" "logis don't need a nerf but one person should operate the legs and another should aim and shoot" no, why? what if I don't have my better half? should I just sit and twiddle my thumbs? OH wait I can't sit I just stare at my couch thinking how comfy it looks. glares at CCP As expected. Tanking is no longer Expensive. My best AV fit costs twice as much as most tanks on the battlefield. Any they aren't an SP sink either. You don't have to max out even half of the skills to be good against AV. Heck even MLT HAVs with MLT mods can withstand PRO AV try again. AV can't solo a vehicle anymore. Try again. If you have the ability to require an entire squad to destroy, then you should require more than 1 person to operate. "Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" Such is the motto of vehicle pilots. Now proven. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1896	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:21:00 - [5] - Quote knight of 6 wrote: I have the ability to take an entire squad to destroy for 30 seconds, better tankers than me have that ability for a minute. stop trying to destroy tanks that are in cycle. could you destroy an armor tank that was in a rep cycle in 1.6? no, you waited for it to fall out of cycle then hit it out of cycle. maybe armor tanks are OP but I wouldn't know, I'm a shield tanker. CCP gave us "waves of opportunity" if you hit us during a "wave of opportunity" prepare to die. also, if you're dead set on separating drivers and gunners. who needs the turret skills and who needs the driving skills? what happens if you don't get your usual gunner/driver and the replacement doesn't have the same skills? Swarm Launchers have a 20% damage bonus to armor. They are designed to devastate armored vehicles. An armor tanker complaining about Swarm Launchers is like someone in a Caldari suit complaining about Scrambler Rifles. And anyone can destroy a vehicle in it's rep cycle. Now while it hardners are on is a whole other story. "Waves of Opportunity"? Your vehicles even without NOS move way too fast to actually have a "wave of opportunity". And a dropship can literally fly above your lock range and still allow troops to spawn in. They can also fly 176m above you when their hardners die and be literally invincible to Swarm Launchers. 1.6? I find it hilariously ironic how I could easily survive volleys and clips of PRO AV, yet proclaimed "vets" couldn't. I find it hilarious how my corpmate, The True Inferno's ADS could even survive my PRO AV when I went against him, yet proclaimed "vets" couldn't. Either I was really good, or pilots just plain suck at their jobs. And I've even seen these forum pilots in action before. You know what they do when they are being attacked by AV? Stand there. Heck, even a MLT DS that was fitted properly could survive PRO AV. Yet proclaimed "vets" couldn't. DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1896	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:26:00 - [6] - Quote Also, knight of 6, we can easily make things work like turrets do now. The person deploying the vehicle needs to have the skills to operate the turret, but anyone can operate it. Done. Now you can't be a 1 man squad and are forced to use teamwork against others who are forced to use teamwork. "Teamwork for thee, so teamwork for me." -Such is the motto of Anti-Vehicle infantry. (And SoTa PoP, though I'm not sure what he is) DUST 514 just went full COD. Never go full COD.