I'd be just fine with AV soloing tanks if completely fit tanks cost as much as a completly fit drop suit. I'd have absolutly no problem with that.

this thread has been around since closed beta, your idea isn't new nor original. it has been answered 1000s of times conclusively.

NO

why? because tanking is expensive not only isk wise but SP wise as well. why should it take two people to operate a machine that I could literally have all my SP in, if I don't have a gunner I can't play. I'll burn in hell before another blueberry gets in my tank(offence intended blueberry gunners you are like cancer, I could gun better with only my feet).

"AVers should be able to solo tanks but it should take 2 people one person operating the legs and the other the av weapon"
"logis don't need a nerf but one person should operate the legs and another should aim and shoot"

no, why? what if I don't have my better half? should I just sit and twiddle my thumbs? OH wait I can't sit I just stare at my couch thinking how comfy it looks. *glares at CCP*

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

It makes no sense for 1 player to be powerful enough that the other side needs to dedicate half a squad to deal with. Now, I'm not implying tanks should be solo'd, but the way they're used vs the way they're countered don't match up.

If it costs my team 3 AV'ers to push your tanks back - then it should cost the other side at least 2 players to use the tank properly.

So, my suggestion, is take away tanks ability to drive and shoot. They either pilot - or they shoot.

"If they implement this idea I'm quitting tanks!" Good, gtfo. Quitting tanks because you can't be a god on the field just proves you were only in it to be better then everyone else. Why are LAV and most DS limited to being the pilot or turret driver - but a tank, with more HP and power, doesn't?

"Assault dropships..." Still suck. Ever tried aiming with one? It's not as easy as it is a tank, so it's far more acceptable, not to mention how easy it is to push one off you or others, or just blow them up. 1v1, FG vs Assault DS - the FG still wins.

I bolded the part some of you may of skipped over.

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

it makes on sense that an armored vehicle shouldn't have a crew of operators.

If it costs my team 3 AV'ers to push your tanks back - then it should cost the other side at least 2 players to use the tank properly.

unoriginal Idea about separating driving and gunning

QQ,
no other vehicles do it why can you (bar ADS)

assault dropships suck so it's okay for them

read the OP!!!!!1!1! i bolded it for you!

I've posted the same thing multiple times over the past year.

Math from a Tankers perspective (remember, most of them flunked kindergarten):

1. 3v1 is balance - it should require at least 3 AVers to take a solo tanker

2. 1 tank dominating an entire team for 5+ matches before dieing is balance.

3. Advance tank should always trump proto anti-vehicle

With this new crap update, I've spent more sp on my suit than a tanker, more isk on my lav+suit than a tank, and yet they will still argue that they deserve to win every time in 1v1. Don't try to speak logic to them. They'll only cry and try to bring you down to their level of stupidity.

CCP will always listen to the people that cry the most. I used to think that they had good customer service, but now I know they lack any real common sense of creating a competitive fps. I don't think the devs even play their own game before updates are released. I refuse to believe they actually thought 1.7 was good while playing it.

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

It makes no sense for 1 player to be powerful enough that the other side needs to dedicate half a squad to deal with. Now, I'm not implying tanks should be solo'd, but the way they're used vs the way they're countered don't match up.

If it costs my team 3 AV'ers to push your tanks back - then it should cost the other side at least 2 players to use the tank properly.

So, my suggestion, is take away tanks ability to drive and shoot. They either pilot - or they shoot.

"If they implement this idea I'm quitting tanks!" Good, gtfo. Quitting tanks because you can't be a god on the field just proves you were only in it to be better then everyone else. Why are LAV and most DS limited to being the pilot or turret driver - but a tank, with more HP and power, doesn't?

"Assault dropships..." Still suck. Ever tried aiming with one? It's not as easy as it is a tank, so it's far more acceptable, not to mention how easy it is to push one off you or others, or just blow them up. 1v1, FG vs Assault DS - the FG still wins.

I bolded the part some of you may of skipped over.

if you hate vehicles then go to COD. this isn't COD, your posting in the wrong forums.

this thread has been around since closed beta, your idea isn't new nor original. it has been answered 1000s of times conclusively.

NO

why? because tanking is expensive not only isk wise but SP wise as well. why should it take two people to operate a machine that I could literally have all my SP in, if I don't have a gunner I can't play. I'll burn in hell before another blueberry gets in my tank(offence intended blueberry gunners you are like cancer, I could gun better with only my feet).

"AVers should be able to solo tanks but it should take 2 people one person operating the legs and the other the av weapon"
"logis don't need a nerf but one person should operate the legs and another should aim and shoot"

no, why? what if I don't have my better half? should I just sit and twiddle my thumbs? OH wait I can't sit I just stare at my couch thinking how comfy it looks. *glares at CCP*

this thread has been around since closed beta, your idea isn't new nor original. it has been answered 1000s of times conclusively.

NO

why? because tanking is expensive not only isk wise but SP wise as well. why should it take two people to operate a machine that I could literally have all my SP in, if I don't have a gunner I can't play. I'll burn in hell before another blueberry gets in my tank(offence intended blueberry gunners you are like cancer, I could gun better with only my feet).

"AVers should be able to solo tanks but it should take 2 people one person operating the legs and the other the av weapon"
"logis don't need a nerf but one person should operate the legs and another should aim and shoot"

no, why? what if I don't have my better half? should I just sit and twiddle my thumbs? OH wait I can't sit I just stare at my couch thinking how comfy it looks. *glares at CCP*

So, I'm seeing a lot of responses from tankers replying to AV QQ, and it's mostly: It should always take team work to down a tank!

But, let's reverse that. It should also take teamwork to USE a tank.

It makes no sense for 1 player to be powerful enough that the other side needs to dedicate half a squad to deal with. Now, I'm not implying tanks should be solo'd, but the way they're used vs the way they're countered don't match up.

If it costs my team 3 AV'ers to push your tanks back - then it should cost the other side at least 2 players to use the tank properly.

So, my suggestion, is take away tanks ability to drive and shoot. They either pilot - or they shoot.

"If they implement this idea I'm quitting tanks!" Good, gtfo. Quitting tanks because you can't be a god on the field just proves you were only in it to be better then everyone else. Why are LAV and most DS limited to being the pilot or turret driver - but a tank, with more HP and power, doesn't?

"Assault dropships..." Still suck. Ever tried aiming with one? It's not as easy as it is a tank, so it's far more acceptable, not to mention how easy it is to push one off you or others, or just blow them up. 1v1, FG vs Assault DS - the FG still wins.

I bolded the part some of you may of skipped over.

Oooooooooor just let me equip an ar with my missle luancher.

As expected.

Tanking is no longer Expensive. My best AV fit costs twice as much as most tanks on the battlefield. Any they aren't an SP sink either. You don't have to max out even half of the skills to be good against AV. Heck even MLT HAVs with MLT mods can withstand PRO AV try again.

AV can't solo a vehicle anymore. Try again.

If you have the ability to require an entire squad to destroy, then you should require more than 1 person to operate.

"Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me" Such is the motto of vehicle pilots. Now proven.

also, if you're dead set on separating drivers and gunners. who needs the turret skills and who needs the driving skills? what happens if you don't get your usual gunner/driver and the replacement doesn't have the same skills?

isnt it already the case the the tank weapons benefit from the skills of all people in the vehicle ?

I have the ability to take an entire squad to destroy for 30 seconds, better tankers than me have that ability for a minute. stop trying to destroy tanks that are in cycle. could you destroy an armor tank that was in a rep cycle in 1.6? no, you waited for it to fall out of cycle then hit it out of cycle. maybe armor tanks are OP but I wouldn't know, I'm a shield tanker. CCP gave us "waves of opportunity" if you hit us during a "wave of opportunity" prepare to die.

also, if you're dead set on separating drivers and gunners. who needs the turret skills and who needs the driving skills? what happens if you don't get your usual gunner/driver and the replacement doesn't have the same skills?