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Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 343	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:48:00 - [1] - Quote Alright i got nothing against these speed tanks. Afer all you tankers aren't dying as much and aren't lossing a ton of isk. I think this is resonable dealing with the balance issues of the past. So i offer a resonable request from CCP. We leave tanks exactly the way the are and we get the old beta swarms back. And im talking about codex swams. the SMART swarms. the ons that flew over mountains to the last location the vehicle was then followed its path until every swarm hit its target. The ones that did 90 degree turns then took off at the speed of sound homing in faster then a shark chasing a wound fat prey. i think this is a resonable request tankers keep their speed and swarms become viable. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Shokhann Echo Chatelain Rapid Response Gallente Federation 122	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:56:00 - [2] - Quote that is one of the reasons why they have been nerfed in the previous build, far too op for what they were worth Void Echo's Alt Back-up Profile Back on main 12-20-2013
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 17	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:00:00 - [3] - Quote Fix tank speed, leave AV how it is. It is time for AV to learn how to leave their comfort zone, and play the hard role for once.
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 483	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:56:00 - [4] - Quote Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down?
lee corwood The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 19	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:59:00 - [5] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: Alright i got nothing against these speed tanks. Afer all you tankers aren't dying as much and aren't lossing a ton of isk. I think this is resonable dealing with the balance issues of the past. So i offer a resonable request from CCP. We leave tanks exactly the way the are and we get the old beta swarms back. And im talking about codex swams. the SMART swarms. the ons that flew over mountains to the last location the vehicle was then followed its path until every swarm hit its target. The ones that did 90 degree turns then took off at the speed of sound homing in faster then a shark chasing a wound fat prey. i think this is a resonable request tankers keep their speed and swarms become viable. I miss the SMART swarmies Minmatar Logisis
THUNDERGROOVE ZionTCD Public Disorder. 383	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:01:00 - [6] - Quote Or educate the users? It's not that hard. Get in LAV Find tank Throw 3 AV grenades Fire 1 volley of swarms. Tank is finished. Killed three in one match that way. ZionTCD Director & Ammar Loyalist Amarr Sentinel \| Amarr Logi \| *Losematar* Scout What is a signature?
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 400	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:01:00 - [7] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: Alright i got nothing against these speed tanks. Afer all you tankers aren't dying as much and aren't lossing a ton of isk. I think this is resonable dealing with the balance issues of the past. So i offer a resonable request from CCP. We leave tanks exactly the way the are and we get the old beta swarms back. And im talking about codex swams. the SMART swarms. the ons that flew over mountains to the last location the vehicle was then followed its path until every swarm hit its target. The ones that did 90 degree turns then took off at the speed of sound homing in faster then a shark chasing a wound fat prey. i think this is a resonable request tankers keep their speed and swarms become viable. Minimum price of said swarm launcher would be..... 500,000 isk If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 65	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:09:00 - [8] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down? Kind of. Last night my time I was manning a missile turret and it landed on a roof. So I shot he drop ship to pieces. It wasn't flying and I didn't use AV. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 537	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:09:00 - [9] - Quote Faunher wrote: Fix tank speed, leave AV how it is. It is time for AV to learn how to leave their comfort zone, and play the hard role for once. It's not about comfort, it's about effectiveness. No one is going to use mediocre at best AV options, especially when those options are useless against Infantry. REs, Murder Taxi, skill into a Heavy suit, or run from vehicles, those are your choices.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7391	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:10:00 - [10] - Quote Tanks aren't actually faster, just the acceleration has been changed. Also the militia speed mod is BUGGED, it increases speed by 100% instead of 10%. Do not balance based on a bug that's going to be fixed anyway. Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 1462	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:10:00 - [11] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: Alright i got nothing against these speed tanks. Afer all you tankers aren't dying as much and aren't lossing a ton of isk. I think this is resonable dealing with the balance issues of the past. So i offer a resonable request from CCP. We leave tanks exactly the way the are and we get the old beta swarms back. And im talking about codex swams. the SMART swarms. the ons that flew over mountains to the last location the vehicle was then followed its path until every swarm hit its target. The ones that did 90 degree turns then took off at the speed of sound homing in faster then a shark chasing a wound fat prey. i think this is a resonable request tankers keep their speed and swarms become viable. You guys really need every single crutch you can get, don't you. Teamwork for thee, but no teamwork for me, such is the motto of the anti vehicle infantry.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1007	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:14:00 - [12] - Quote Mac Dac wrote: Alright i got nothing against these speed tanks. Afer all you tankers aren't dying as much and aren't lossing a ton of isk. I think this is resonable dealing with the balance issues of the past. So i offer a resonable request from CCP. We leave tanks exactly the way the are and we get the old beta swarms back. And im talking about codex swams. the SMART swarms. the ons that flew over mountains to the last location the vehicle was then followed its path until every swarm hit its target. The ones that did 90 degree turns then took off at the speed of sound homing in faster then a shark chasing a wound fat prey. i think this is a resonable request tankers keep their speed and swarms become viable. Not going to happen. CCP want OP tanks and UP AV. Why do they want us? Who cares, its already been established that they haven't the slightest clue as to what they are doing.
crazy space 1 GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 2010	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:14:00 - [13] - Quote Seriously, has anyone killed a dropship since 1.7 with swarms?
Justin Tymes Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 537	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:17:00 - [14] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Seriously, has anyone killed a dropship since 1.7 with swarms? nope.avi
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:23:00 - [15] - Quote crazy space 1 wrote: Seriously, has anyone killed a dropship since 1.7 with swarms? Lol, too far to lock on. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
Jadek Menaheim Xer Cloud Consortium 666	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:29:00 - [16] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down? I actually shot one down with swarms today...proto of course with 4 damage mods. I still feel embarrassed for the pilot. [sig=hex.dec]4d7920313333372048617830727a2078706c6f747a20522058706f7364206259206c766c2035204330646562386b727a[/sig]
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 82	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:34:00 - [17] - Quote I have no sympathy for swarm users you've got a free ride with invisible swarms and extreme range. Dog fights will now be more prevalent since dropships can fly without annoying missiles that are almost impossible to avoid. With 1.7 we can expect to see 3 battles going at once battles in the sky battles in tanks and battles in boots the last few games I've played have been chaotic. You want to blow up stuff blow up lavs supply depots tanks and installations.
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 251	Posted - 2013.12.11 07:40:00 - [18] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: I have no sympathy for swarm users you've got a free ride with invisible swarms and extreme range. Dog fights will now be more prevalent since dropships can fly without annoying missiles that are almost impossible to avoid. With 1.7 we can expect to see 3 battles going at once battles in the sky battles in tanks and battles in boots the last few games I've played have been chaotic. You want to blow up stuff blow up lavs supply depots tanks and installations. Hey, I'am a swarmer and always said something had to be improved in favor of dropships, but what they did there is too extreme and not the right solution... an alarm or radar system would be appropriate, but I think CCP is just too incompetant to come up with something good. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3	Posted - 2013.12.11 08:10:00 - [19] - Quote does anyone have a bias opinion anymore? Let me start off by saying I have proto swarm launchers, heavies, commando, forge gun, and AV Grenades. I agree the cost of tanks vs the way they were able to be taken out before was ridiculous, insurance on tanks would be nice(like in eve). I bet most good tankers wouldn't complain if they could make a full Vayu fit for 300-400k before this build. So many things can be said on this topic but swarms were kind of ridiculous when they changed the lock time, it wasnt necessary. They were fine with 5 in a clip and a longer lock time. How many years in the future is this game based? and your vehicle can't warn you it's being locked? That would say "red light! im getting locked I'd better get to cover!" Forge guns, Over nerfed. Direct damage nerf not necessary, splash damage I don't mind. You have to be a good shot to direct shot infantry and anyone before could pick up a militia forge gun and shoot the ground. I challenge non heavies to get direct hits on infantry with the forge. Train to heavy.... your vulnerable as all hell with armor plates on now. As if the scrambler rifle didn't rip through your armor fast enough, add the rail / combat rifle to the mix, constant tanks, slow a heavy down, give him a nerfed forge gun, got the makings of a easy target. Heavies shouldn't even get a stacking penalty on plates. THEIR HEAVIES! Take a body builder(heavy suit) throw 200lb weight on his shoulders do you think he would have as hard of a time carrying it as a 80lb etheopian(scout suit) same goes for medium suit. What it all boils down to is too many changes at once. At least with the old build tanks were expensive and would separate the boys from the men. Now that viable tanks can be made at a cheap cost, why wouldn't you call in another one? You die in a proto commando or logi suit....thats 200k+ isk die again 400, meanwhile tank dies twice 120k. All of us that are complaining about this arent thinking about the big picture......what about Joe Smoe who just downloaded a new game called dust that looks cool and is about to play it for the first time. All infantry is getting pushed around by constant
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 3	Posted - 2013.12.11 08:15:00 - [20] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: I have no sympathy for swarm users you've got a free ride with invisible swarms and extreme range. Dog fights will now be more prevalent since dropships can fly without annoying missiles that are almost impossible to avoid. With 1.7 we can expect to see 3 battles going at once battles in the sky battles in tanks and battles in boots the last few games I've played have been chaotic. You want to blow up stuff blow up lavs supply depots tanks and installations. p.s. your a bad dropship pilot if you cant avoid swarms. Dropships have always been a pain to shoot down with swarms more, so a deterrent that's what forge guns were for, and Indeed was annoying to have to bug out after every volley but tbh do you think an Apache helicopter could take multiple volleys from swarm launchers? Flares/counter measures would have been ideal.

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 81	Posted - 2013.12.11 08:17:00 - [21] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down? Yes, yesterday. I contributed to its death. Also co-ordinated AV can still take down tanks, who would have thought eh !! Logi For Life-Mini Logi suit wearer & proud Forum Lurker-level unknown Do clones dream of Dolly the sheep
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 312	Posted - 2013.12.11 08:24:00 - [22] - Quote Faunher wrote: Fix tank speed, leave AV how it is. It is time for AV to learn how to leave their comfort zone, and play the hard role for once. Against flying tanks? Honestly I had some games where tanks were so ridiculous fast that they "jumped" on walls as soon as they drove over the smallest obstacle. Not even a LAV could catch up to them...
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 349	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:33:00 - [23] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Tanks aren't actually faster, just the acceleration has been changed. Also the militia speed mod is BUGGED, it increases speed by 100% instead of 10%. Do not balance based on a bug that's going to be fixed anyway. dangit "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1852	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:36:00 - [24] - Quote To fix swarms we must first educate the users on how to use them properly Problem is 99% of swarm users are idiots and are lifetime members of the short bus association
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 349	Posted - 2013.12.11 13:55:00 - [25] - Quote Shokhann Echo wrote: that is one of the reasons why they have been nerfed in the previous build, far too op for what they were worth Yeah your probably right... just doing that would insanely OP them. "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
calisk galern BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 1455	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:11:00 - [26] - Quote LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: crazy space 1 wrote: Seriously, has anyone killed a dropship since 1.7 with swarms? Lol, too far to lock on. it was hard enough in 1.6 lol
Mac Dac Wraith Shadow Guards D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 350	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:12:00 - [27] - Quote Ld Collins wrote: I have no sympathy for swarm users you've got a free ride with invisible swarms and extreme range. Dog fights will now be more prevalent since dropships can fly without annoying missiles that are almost impossible to avoid. With 1.7 we can expect to see 3 battles going at once battles in the sky battles in tanks and battles in boots the last few games I've played have been chaotic. You want to blow up stuff blow up lavs supply depots tanks and installations. I had sympathy for dropships in 1.6. Thats why i never purposely killed a dropship with my proto proficiency 5 swarms (unless it was a miltia dropship trying to get on top of a tower) especially if they were learning to fly. In fact, i shot down 1 dropship in 1.6 and i felt terrible so i sent 2mil isk to cover it. A good swarmer knows sympathy, but these HAV get no love now. Not after the beta GOD era. REMEMBER WHAT THEY DID! THEY WILL DO IT AGAIN! "We should take care not to make intellect our god; it has, of course, strong muscles, but no personality" Albert Einste
4447 Resolution XIII 930	Posted - 2013.12.11 14:14:00 - [28] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Or educate the users? It's not that hard. Get in LAV Find tank Throw 3 AV grenades Fire 1 volley of swarms. Tank is finished. Killed three in one match that way. It's or well and good, until your killed waiting for the LAV. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 6	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:27:00 - [29] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down? Yes, yesterday. I contributed to its death. Also co-ordinated AV can still take down tanks, who would have thought eh !! Good troll post, obviously you can take down tanks with coordinated AV. I don't mind that at all, After you take down the tank you go to a supply to change out of AV, kill some people defending an objective.....oh look tanks back.....2 tanks now, no wait theirs another at C!! Tanks are too cheap their all basically throw away tanks, just imagine what would happen if you could buy a full proto everything suit for 40k
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1264	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:35:00 - [30] - Quote nothing nerfs a tank then a tanker. let them have their fun for now. we all know that speed boost is temp. only damn thing saving em.



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