DUST Search - To fix Swarms we must... educate them

Garrett Blacknova wrote:

Hawkings Greenback wrote:

Jaysyn Larrisen wrote:

Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down?

Yes, yesterday. I contributed to its death.

Also co-ordinated AV can still take down tanks, who would have thought eh !! Roll

I've seen 2 Dropships die in a single match once.

I brought Swarms, and one got swatted pretty hard by a Missile Tank, then retreated in the wrong-est direction (towards me) when his module cooldowns were coming up. So I hit him with a nicely-arced multi volly and landed 8 missiles on the side of the Dropship at once, at which point its final remaining HP got finished by the tank. The other one showed up after our Forge Gunner had finnished chewing on the remains of a tank, and he and I made short work of that one without the friendly tank needing to step in again.

Naviticus wrote:

Good troll post, obviously you can take down tanks with coordinated AV. I don't mind that at all, After you take down the tank you go to a supply to change out of AV, kill some people defending an objective.....oh look tanks back.....2 tanks now, no wait theirs another at C!! Tanks are too cheap their all basically throw away tanks, just imagine what would happen if you could buy a full proto everything suit for 40k

Imagine if we had proto tanks so you could make a full proto everything fitting. Roll

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DeadlyAztec11 2713	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:47:00 - [31] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: nothing nerfs a tank then a tanker. let them have their fun for now. we all know that speed boost is temp. only damn thing saving em. Those SOB's are going to be wailing the second they get hot fixed. Patience is a virtue and we shall use it. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Garrett Blacknova Codex Troopers 4122	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:48:00 - [32] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down? Yes, yesterday. I contributed to its death. Also co-ordinated AV can still take down tanks, who would have thought eh !! I've seen 2 Dropships die in a single match once. I brought Swarms, and one got swatted pretty hard by a Missile Tank, then retreated in the wrong-est direction (towards me) when his module cooldowns were coming up. So I hit him with a nicely-arced multi volly and landed 8 missiles on the side of the Dropship at once, at which point its final remaining HP got finished by the tank. The other one showed up after our Forge Gunner had finnished chewing on the remains of a tank, and he and I made short work of that one without the friendly tank needing to step in again. Naviticus wrote: Good troll post, obviously you can take down tanks with coordinated AV. I don't mind that at all, After you take down the tank you go to a supply to change out of AV, kill some people defending an objective.....oh look tanks back.....2 tanks now, no wait theirs another at C!! Tanks are too cheap their all basically throw away tanks, just imagine what would happen if you could buy a full proto everything suit for 40k Imagine if we had proto tanks so you could make a full proto everything fitting.
Bubba Rector BR514 8	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:53:00 - [33] - Quote It's not a crutch. I don't think anything should be changed AV wise until the speed boost on tanks are fixed. I don't mind the damage nerf to swarms since they nerfed the armor for tanks. That was needed. However,I don't like the nerf to the lock on distance. At least at the extreme that was done. I think a range of 175m (basic) - 225m (proto) would be a viable solution. I would even be happy with a skill set to increase lock on distance. Another option could be an ability, or variation of swarm, to turn lock-on OFF and give the weapon a splash damage radius of a forge gun. TA-DA! BAZOOKA!
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 9	Posted - 2013.12.11 15:59:00 - [34] - Quote Quote: Imagine if we had proto tanks so you could make a full proto everything fitting. I fear the day prototype tanks are released against our nerfed AV gear, but hey backwards development is the thing to do. Step 1: Make standard tanks Step 2: Release prototype AV equipment Step 3: Nerf AV equipment because prototype kills standard and militia too easy Step 4: Nerf AV equipment again range and damage. Militia tanks are still 3 shotted with a forge gun Step 5: Buff tanks Step 6: Release prototype tanks for a cheap cost Step 7: Watch increase in forum activity Step 8: Success! Tankers complaint ratio went down
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 835	Posted - 2013.12.11 16:00:00 - [35] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: To fix swarms we must first educate the users on how to use them properly Problem is 99% of swarm users are idiots and are lifetime members of the short bus association that actually applied to pre patch tanks, scrubs have to be educated how to use tanks properly. even a pre patch militia armor tank could be fitted to survive 5 volley from a swarm with 3 damage mods. that 15seconds of continous uninterrupted shooting from a single guy. comments like yours only highlight biased bad tank pilots.
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 505	Posted - 2013.12.11 16:22:00 - [36] - Quote cut the active damage mod and active resistance mods effectiveness in half. maybe reduce the cooldown time a little on all variants. tanks dont have hardly any slots now they got an overall buff in total hp though. they severely lack pg and cpu for any of it. i was testing the new tanks out. the large missile turret is pretty much an anti tank tank weapon now. if i had a guy with mlt swarms following me around i could just fire my 12 missiles at a tank and watch the swarm finish them off. turret rotation speed on all large turret types also seems rather slow. and i cant hardly turn while moving up a hill or on any type of ramp type thing. im happy for the buffs the tanks got they feel alot better now. alot less paper thin. the reps are passive now and the basic heavy rep module reps at 100hp/s. i do like the changes. but the new effective anti tank weapons are probably going to be a large railgun or missile turret for a while. all i can say is ambush is not a good place for infantry right now. some of these tank players have been running around destroying things in ambush. if swarms got their damage brought back to 330 per hit. i can see some of these tanks going back to their old tactics. proto packed av nades seem to still be deadly though. maybe with this new reckless attitude that some of these tankers have gotten so far could quickly get hit upside the head through better coordinated av tactics. av just cant do what it used to do. relentlessly pummel and chase a vehicle for ever until it dies. it looks like they have to set traps now. i dont see them entirely as throw away tanks. i like the price reduction it hurts my big wallet less but id say i hurt my new wallet even more because if the seemingly cheap price. because i rarely took out tanks during matches now. id say tank vs tank seems more balanced now. but im ok with getting aved now. my only hatred with av was with av nades. i thought everything else was fine. the tanks getting an averall hp buff and nerf in slots pg/cpu turret rotation speed and given ammo are probably just the "balancing" features. all i have to say is blaster turrets feel weak vs vehicle strong vs infantry. and the other 2 turrets seems to be strong vs vehicles weak vs infantry.
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 1853	Posted - 2013.12.11 16:28:00 - [37] - Quote Jack McReady wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: To fix swarms we must first educate the users on how to use them properly Problem is 99% of swarm users are idiots and are lifetime members of the short bus association that actually applied to pre patch tanks, scrubs have to be educated how to use tanks properly. even a pre patch militia armor tank could be fitted to survive 5 volley from a swarm with 3 damage mods. that 15seconds of continous uninterrupted shooting from a single guy. comments like yours only highlight biased bad tank pilots. A sica/soma surviving 3 complex dmg modded proto swarms which does 3k per volley lolno If it did why didnt i see it in PC? oh sorry thats because it doesnt work and your full of ****
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 11	Posted - 2013.12.11 17:32:00 - [38] - Quote clone117 have you ever fit a gunnlogi yet? Apparently you couldn't even fill the pg if you tried
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 441	Posted - 2013.12.11 17:37:00 - [39] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Or educate the users? It's not that hard. Get in LAV Find tank Throw 3 AV grenades Fire 1 volley of swarms. Tank is finished. Killed three in one match that way. Take LAV throw 5 remotes at 1500 damage each... Drive LAV into tank.
Naviticus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 12	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:25:00 - [40] - Quote Bethhy wrote: THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Or educate the users? It's not that hard. Get in LAV Find tank Throw 3 AV grenades Fire 1 volley of swarms. Tank is finished. Killed three in one match that way. Take LAV throw 5 remotes at 1500 damage each... Drive LAV into tank. thats obvious, knowing ccp that will get nerfed instead of dealing with tanks, sad when suicide free lavs or cheap ones is the only effective way to take out tanks....But their so cheap they call in another so you spend the whole match putting bombs on your car and driving around

TheBLAZZED VENGEANCE FOR HIRE 115	Posted - 2013.12.11 18:26:00 - [41] - Quote Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down? Many times
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 253	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:51:00 - [42] - Quote Garrett Blacknova wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: Jaysyn Larrisen wrote: Anybody actually seen a dropship actually get shot down? Yes, yesterday. I contributed to its death. Also co-ordinated AV can still take down tanks, who would have thought eh !! I've seen 2 Dropships die in a single match once. I brought Swarms, and one got swatted pretty hard by a Missile Tank, then retreated in the wrong-est direction (towards me) when his module cooldowns were coming up. So I hit him with a nicely-arced multi volly and landed 8 missiles on the side of the Dropship at once, at which point its final remaining HP got finished by the tank. The other one showed up after our Forge Gunner had finnished chewing on the remains of a tank, and he and I made short work of that one without the friendly tank needing to step in again. Naviticus wrote: Good troll post, obviously you can take down tanks with coordinated AV. I don't mind that at all, After you take down the tank you go to a supply to change out of AV, kill some people defending an objective.....oh look tanks back.....2 tanks now, no wait theirs another at C!! Tanks are too cheap their all basically throw away tanks, just imagine what would happen if you could buy a full proto everything suit for 40k Imagine if we had proto tanks so you could make a full proto everything fitting. Would you kindly explain to me how in hell you fired 8 missiles from a Swarm at once? "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
Soldiersaint Deepspace Digital 613	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:56:00 - [43] - Quote THUNDERGROOVE wrote: Or educate the users? It's not that hard. Get in LAV Find tank Throw 3 AV grenades Fire 1 volley of swarms. Tank is finished. Killed three in one match that way. This is one of these most funny post i have seen today.
Beck Weathers Ghosts of Dawn General Tso's Alliance 198	Posted - 2013.12.12 00:58:00 - [44] - Quote We need webbifyiers
Abron Garr Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 631	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:08:00 - [45] - Quote This sounds like a job for Mr. Garvey.
Ld Collins The Phalanx Inc 86	Posted - 2013.12.12 10:34:00 - [46] - Quote LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: Ld Collins wrote: I have no sympathy for swarm users you've got a free ride with invisible swarms and extreme range. Dog fights will now be more prevalent since dropships can fly without annoying missiles that are almost impossible to avoid. With 1.7 we can expect to see 3 battles going at once battles in the sky battles in tanks and battles in boots the last few games I've played have been chaotic. You want to blow up stuff blow up lavs supply depots tanks and installations. Hey, I'am a swarmer and always said something had to be improved in favor of dropships, but what they did there is too extreme and not the right solution... an alarm or radar system would be appropriate, but I think CCP is just too incompetant to come up with something good. I've been on top of buildings with militia swarms and have been close to killing assault dropships on my own. That's the honest truth no Im not in favor of the 175 meter lock but it seems as if people have just given up because they can't lock on from 400 meters away being pretty much invisible to the ds.


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