DUST Search - My 1.7 review

Echo 1991 wrote:

Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote:

Echo 1991 wrote:

So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance?

You're complaining about dealing damage WHEN THE HARDENERS ARE UP?
That's like bashing your face intentionally as hard as you can into a brick wall, then complaining that your face has wounds on it....

So because it has a hardener active you think it shouldnt be able to die? and the fact that the hardener gives 60% resist to all damage AND they can get almost all of their shields back from the booster they have. Everyone says try kill it when it isnt active, have you even tried to catch a tank atm apart from using another tank you arent ever gonna get close.

I do however understand that tanks needed a buff and swarms were OP but the fact of the matter is they can take a load of damage and barely get hurt and if the tank does manage to die they can just call in another one cos they are a lot cheaper.
This isnt balance its silly.

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Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 195	Posted - 2013.12.11 01:12:00 - [1] - Quote Message from Godin: I've been waiting for this for a long time. So, how do I view 1.7? PROS: 1: Vehicle AV balance is (almost) Perfect. GG 2:I adore the Rail Rifle. Haven't tried the Combat Rifle (not enough SP due to vehicles lol), but both look and sound incredibly good. 3: Whatever you guys did, the Shotty and Scout feels like Cromosome again. Nice work 4: The new damage visuals, as well as the hardener visuals look really cool. I love them CONS: 1: Hit detection still seems iffy on the blasters (haven't tried the other two turrets due to SP, but from what I've seen and heard, they don't have any issues). 2: base speed for HAV's and LAv's seem too fast imo. Maybe a 5 M/S reduction for HAV's, and a 2.5 M?S for LAV's. 3: Lag spikes inside of cities happen sometimes. Not that bad, but it's there. THINGS THAT RUINS 1.7 FOR ME: 1: the turrets don't have the "specialist" style of the weapons (I don't know about modules, as I didn't look) 2: The Federation Maddy, although cool that it's a AI-102, it still has the small turrets on, so the fit is ruined. Peace, Godin
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 4	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:23:00 - [2] - Quote So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance?
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 15	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:27:00 - [3] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? Maybe that is the way AV was supposed to be. CCP probably wants AV to be a team effort that requires coordination instead of the solo swarmer that used to be able to take out any and every vehicle. But then maybe the gunnlogi's shields need to be tweaked a bit..
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:40:00 - [4] - Quote Faunher wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? Maybe that is the way AV was supposed to be. CCP probably wants AV to be a team effort that requires coordination instead of the solo swarmer that used to be able to take out any and every vehicle. But then maybe the gunnlogi's shields need to be tweaked a bit.. a team of swarmers will not solve this. if the entire squad used swarms it would only deal 1200-1500 dmg. Its complete nonsense. i understand that AV need a nerf but the range being reduced to 175 meters and the damage lowered as well when tanks can take that much its beyond silly.
LUGMOS YELLOW JESUS EXP FORCE 194	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:43:00 - [5] - Quote How about you use the forge. .__. Oh wait, it requires aiming The biggest threat to my scout is everything. My scout is the biggest threat to everything.
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:45:00 - [6] - Quote LUGMOS wrote: How about you use the forge. .__. Oh wait, it requires aiming because im not a heavy... and the same problem still occurs. you cant deal enough damage.
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1221	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:45:00 - [7] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? ur using a swarm vs a shield tank. worst of all with it's hardeners on. has all logic left the room. i mean u get 30% reduction to shields with a 60% resist on. what do u expect? Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
mollerz Minja Scouts 1270	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:46:00 - [8] - Quote #3... scouts like chromosome? um.. no. #shittycoding
BobThe 844-1 CakeMan Murder Cakes Of Doom 1221	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:46:00 - [9] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: How about you use the forge. .__. Oh wait, it requires aiming because im not a heavy... and the same problem still occurs. you cant deal enough damage. how about tht gun tht does extra damage to shields. u know the plasma cannon. O_o Tank driver. 10 mil SP in tanks 8 mil into infantry. Msg my main BobThe843CakeMan I ring for everyone. :D
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 6	Posted - 2013.12.11 04:49:00 - [10] - Quote BobThe 844-1 CakeMan wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: LUGMOS wrote: How about you use the forge. .__. Oh wait, it requires aiming because im not a heavy... and the same problem still occurs. you cant deal enough damage. how about tht gun tht does extra damage to shields. u know the plasma cannon. O_o so i can get one shot into it and the tank kills me or it just drives of into the distance where i cant hit it? no thanks. and you forget it is still gonna take 60% less damage from the shot which is about 400-600 dmg. (dont know plasma cannon stats :P)
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 199	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:22:00 - [11] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? Message from Godin: Go on the EVE forums and Complain that a Nova Rocket isn't doing jack to a active tanked Caldari destroyer. You get the same answer as I'll give you.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 199	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:25:00 - [12] - Quote mollerz wrote: #3... scouts like chromosome? um.. no. Message from Godin: Umm, yes. Haven't gotten insta popped yet.
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 16	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:26:00 - [13] - Quote You can't complain about the rock paper scissors being broken when you are trying to beat rock with scissors.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 361	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:29:00 - [14] - Quote mollerz wrote: #3... scouts like chromosome? um.. no. I thought the same thing. If anything scouts were hurt by this as it pushes fights to extreme ranges and cqc is extremely difficult to get into. Plus that CR just chews me up at close range. Throwing an RR or CR on a scout is nice but then you're fighting on med frames ground...their mods/hp will usually outlast you in a straight up fight. But I still enjoy my scout, kills with my pistols/SG mean something. Our day will come.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 199	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:32:00 - [15] - Quote Message from Godin: Maybe I'm just in a better mood, so I can hit shots and stuff like I could in Chromo.........
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 16	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:36:00 - [16] - Quote The ultimate fix: give scout suits heavy weapons.
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 9	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:37:00 - [17] - Quote Im not saying that the gunnlogi im shooting at should just die after 2-3 hits, im saying that the amount of resistance the thing has to all kinds of dmg is stupid. i dont think there is an eve module that gives 60% resist to all dmg but i could be wrong.
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 249	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:42:00 - [18] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? Finall y someone with some fracking common sense. I think Swarms vs tanks and LAVs was perfectly balanced on 1.6.(only drpships needed a bit of rework) despite what all the whiners tell you, it was actually quite hard to kill a tank. Now my proto can't kill even a freakin militia tank. True story: tank was sitting still, I sneaked on it from the rear, took 3 shots and it still was not moving. Reload, about to take my 4th and finishing shot, tank drove off in a mere 2 SECONDS so far that I could not lock on anymore. I was literally left there in the Dust, mouth wide and totally baffled. Not touching this game again till 1.8. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 202	Posted - 2013.12.11 05:59:00 - [19] - Quote LuckyLuke Wargan wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? Finall y someone with some fracking common sense. I think Swarms vs tanks and LAVs was perfectly balanced on 1.6.(only drpships needed a bit of rework) despite what all the whiners tell you, it was actually quite hard to kill a tank. Now my proto can't kill even a freakin militia tank. True story: tank was sitting still, I sneaked on it from the rear, took 3 shots and it still was not moving. Reload, about to take my 4th and finishing shot, tank drove off in a mere 2 SECONDS so far that I could not lock on anymore. I was literally left there in the Dust, mouth wide and totally baffled. Not touching this game again till 1.8. Message from Godin: HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Be quiet child.
Piercing Serenity Fatal Absolution 453	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:05:00 - [20] - Quote Swarms were no where near balanced last patch. If you look up Judge's youtube video on Swarm fixes, he shows that SL users could deny aerial support to every single point from the redline. With the new changes, a SL user can cover a single point. Balanced As far as tanks, the new strategy is to carry equipment that does burst damage - Fluxes for example - to get the tanker to hit all of the mods, then catch him when the hardeners are down. I do agree that tanks move way too fast now, though. The plasma cannon (which does 1500 base, not counting shield bonuses) would never be able to hit a moving tank at this rate. DUST 514 BETA VET 16.2M Lifetime SP SH4T --> PFBHz --> PFB --> SH4T --> Fatal
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 202	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:08:00 - [21] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: Swarms were no where near balanced last patch. If you look up Judge's youtube video on Swarm fixes, he shows that SL users could deny aerial support to every single point from the redline. With the new changes, a SL user can cover a single point. Balanced As far as tanks, the new strategy is to carry equipment that does burst damage - Fluxes for example - to get the tanker to hit all of the mods, then catch him when the hardeners are down. I do agree that tanks move way too fast now, though. The plasma cannon (which does 1500 base, not counting shield bonuses) would never be able to hit a moving tank at this rate. Message from Godin: Done it.
Faunher The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 17	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:09:00 - [22] - Quote Piercing Serenity wrote: The plasma cannon (which does 1500 base, not counting shield bonuses) would never be able to hit a moving tank at this rate. I heard that projectile analysis V is only a month long train...
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 1007	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:10:00 - [23] - Quote Faunher wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? Maybe that is the way AV was supposed to be. CCP probably wants AV to be a team effort that requires coordination instead of the solo swarmer that used to be able to take out any and every vehicle. But then maybe the gunnlogi's shields need to be tweaked a bit.. If one shot from a Swarm does 200 damage to shields, it will take 20 people firing at once to bring down the Shield of a Gunlogi... Shield tanks are insane. Even myself and other tankers that are using them tonight are saying "wow, this thing it OP as f*ck. I love it!" I'm only using Militia tanks right now, and I haven't lost one yet, except for when I make suicide runs into the redline.
Adelia Lafayette DUST University Ivy League 478	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:29:00 - [24] - Quote why don't we have the damage types of eve. missiles were able to come in all 4 damage types. EM would let you eat shield for breakfast but then only tickle armor. Assault dropship gets blown up.... (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ "Kitten this I'm out"... ..."I'm back"
LuckyLuke Wargan HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 250	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:41:00 - [25] - Quote There is a tanker mentality going on that if anything can hurt them beside another tank, then it needs to be reworked, which is absolute nonsense. "But killing a tank should be a team effort!" says the soloist tanker sitting all comfy in his now infantry proof tank. Frankly I don't care anymore, being AV is now freackin useless, I guess I'll just have to play full logi from now on while trying to stay hidden from tanks that can't be harmed... actually I am not, I'm about done with Broken 514, I've had enough patience with this stupid game, I'm a closed beta vet, and I've been taking this crap for too long... tired of being deluded for 2 years now about a game that will always be broken. I'll check again sometimes to see if the game has progressed but I won't hold my breath anymore. I'm going to get a ps4, with destiny around the corner this game will be even more worthless soon. "Cry HavoK!, and let slip the dogs of war!" -Medical/Intel Logibro and Swarm Commando-
Onesimus Tarsus 710	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:43:00 - [26] - Quote mollerz wrote: #3... scouts like chromosome? um.. no. Good Lord, this. Big red button that respecs your SP on demand. Protos only get points from killing protos.
Dovallis Martan JenusKoll Osmon Surveillance Caldari State 400	Posted - 2013.12.11 06:50:00 - [27] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? You're complaining about dealing damage WHEN THE HARDENERS ARE UP? That's like bashing your face intentionally as hard as you can into a brick wall, then complaining that your face has wounds on it.... If you can read this, it means you are reading. Unless you are skimming
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 11	Posted - 2013.12.11 21:50:00 - [28] - Quote Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? You're complaining about dealing damage WHEN THE HARDENERS ARE UP? That's like bashing your face intentionally as hard as you can into a brick wall, then complaining that your face has wounds on it.... So because it has a hardener active you think it shouldnt be able to die? and the fact that the hardener gives 60% resist to all damage AND they can get almost all of their shields back from the booster they have. Everyone says try kill it when it isnt active, have you even tried to catch a tank atm apart from using another tank you arent ever gonna get close. I do however understand that tanks needed a buff and swarms were OP but the fact of the matter is they can take a load of damage and barely get hurt and if the tank does manage to die they can just call in another one cos they are a lot cheaper. This isnt balance its silly.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 204	Posted - 2013.12.12 01:45:00 - [29] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Dovallis Martan JenusKoll wrote: Echo 1991 wrote: So doing only 200 damage to a gunnlogi when it has a hardener active with a proto swarm is your idea of balance? You're complaining about dealing damage WHEN THE HARDENERS ARE UP? That's like bashing your face intentionally as hard as you can into a brick wall, then complaining that your face has wounds on it.... So because it has a hardener active you think it shouldnt be able to die? and the fact that the hardener gives 60% resist to all damage AND they can get almost all of their shields back from the booster they have. Everyone says try kill it when it isnt active, have you even tried to catch a tank atm apart from using another tank you arent ever gonna get close. I do however understand that tanks needed a buff and swarms were OP but the fact of the matter is they can take a load of damage and barely get hurt and if the tank does manage to die they can just call in another one cos they are a lot cheaper. This isnt balance its silly. Message from Godin: Set up with a buddy to ambush it, or use a LAV
Echo 1991 Deadly Blue Dots RISE of LEGION 12	Posted - 2013.12.12 15:53:00 - [30] - Quote I have tried this, unless the guy in the tank is a complete noob we arent gonna kill him. he'll get hit once activate the hardener and zoom off. Tanks are ridiculously overpowered, the hardeners need toning down and that fuel injection is frickin crazy.

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