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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:11:00 -
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The logibros are! This game is base on team work and on team cooperation. You have this guy that can at the same time: bring uplinks to let everybody be where they have to be, repair your entire slow recharging armor in a few seconds and let you go back To The battlefield, let you Sit on mountains of ammo to let you Spam whatever you want and also let you see every enemy behind the Wall.
This is OP. Ways more than the slayer ones. This Logibro can be the Most effettive player in the battlefield without using a single bullet. This obviously is working as intended and I hope everybody is going to understand that to win in this game you have to play in a team and doing team work. I only see good corporations doing so and blueberries running (and dying) alone.
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Jackof All-Trades
The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine
297
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:18:00 -
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Logis are and always have been invaluable. It just becomes a bit annoying when they're the only thing you need.
"Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
143
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:35:00 -
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They are not the only thing you need, everything in this game has its own role, You just have to play your suit for what it is. You cant use a scout or an heavy as an assault, you re going to die. And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
362
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:49:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:They are not the only thing you need, everything in this game has its own role, You just have to play your suit for what it is. You cant use a scout or an heavy as an assault, you re going to die. And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary. For the most part, this is true, but some people, like myself, have found ways around that and made pretty good Killer Bee suits. Of course, I'm usually a Logisis, but I have one of those mighty suits.
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
966
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:55:00 -
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Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
143
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:56:00 -
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I know logis are also good killers atm but I wouldnt skill a logi suit to be a killer because It isnt its first role and so it could be changed. |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
36
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:58:00 -
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You can logi with a logi. You can assault with a logi. You can fit a scanner, pirouette while using it, and scout with a logi. You can fit an awesome tank and heavy with a logi. You can fit some damage mods, sit on triage nanohives while armor-tanking, and snipe with a logi. You can employ your superior PG/CPU and AV with a logi.
I imagine a cohesive team using only logi suits would do just as well as the same team using different classes of suits. |
8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
966
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Posted - 2013.12.09 09:59:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:They are not the only thing you need, everything in this game has its own role, You just have to play your suit for what it is. You cant use a scout or an heavy as an assault, you re going to die. And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary.
meh... Amarr Logi is a damn good assault suit... This game as it stands right now has no need for Heavies, Scouts, Snipers, or Assaults even... |
Emerald Bellerophon
Nenikekamen
37
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:02:00 -
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The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
144
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:24:00 -
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I dont think logis should be nerfed, because They re balanced if you use em as a Logibro, the problem is when you forgot tobuse your equipments,(or just use a compact nanohive) and use your cpu and pg only to be a slayer, if you nerf the suit you will Also Hurt logibros that doesn't deserve it |
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
51
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:25:00 -
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Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. |
Monkey MAC
Lost Millennium
1171
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:42:00 -
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8213 wrote:Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle.
*My role is Cannon Fodder
Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy.
The pen is mightier than the sword
The gun is mightier than both
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
51
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:46:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:8213 wrote:Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. |
Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
372
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:49:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:8213 wrote:Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. But, besides DS's, Logibrethern are the most thankless job in this game.
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
53
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:53:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:8213 wrote:Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. But, besides DS's, Logibrethern are the most thankless job in this game. I know but I do get thanked from time to time and my corp loves me when I logi so I feel loved kinda lol
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Luna Angelo
We Who Walk Alone
373
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:59:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Luna Angelo wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:8213 wrote:Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. But, besides DS's, Logibrethern are the most thankless job in this game. I know but I do get thanked from time to time and my corp loves me when I logi so I feel loved kinda lol Hey, I've done both. They aren't easy, and we're not in very high demand. I applaud you on your logibrethern status.
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ROEG X
Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN.
29
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:59:00 -
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CCP give the Assault class back another equipment slot and call it even. Oh yeah running logistics dropsuits are way more expensive than running assault dropsuits. Equipment adds up. |
pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
144
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:00:00 -
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I usually plays only with my Corp mates and they appreciate me being a Logibro (I was a slayer be4 so I think they like my change :)) today I ve played with a team found in the squad Finder. We did a great Job and they thanked me Many times, it was fantastico. |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
817
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:13:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well.
Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this.
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
54
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:14:00 -
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I'm honored to have you applaud me Luna :O |
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
54
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:15:00 -
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ROEG X wrote:CCP give the Assault class back another equipment slot and call it even. Oh yeah running logistics dropsuits are way more expensive than running assault dropsuits. Equipment adds up. Assault suits are fine... just learn to use them with your playstyle.
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
54
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:16:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:I usually plays only with my Corp mates and they appreciate me being a Logibro (I was a slayer be4 so I think they like my change :)) today I ve played with a team found in the squad Finder. We did a great Job and they thanked me Many times, it was fantastico. I'm happy to know a Logibrethern is about :3 |
Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
54
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:18:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits? |
Baal Omniscient
L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder.
817
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:01:00 -
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Kira Takizawa wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits? The FOTM suits are the Callogi and the Gallogi. If, as I said above, you cut their module slots and PG/CPU, then you've already solved 90% of the problem. The Gallogi already has a bonus to PG/CPU on equipment, all we have to do is spread that same bonus to all logi suits in place of the 5hp per second reps and give the Gallogi a different bonus to replace it's reps.
As for future FOTM suits, we'll just have to wait and see what pops up as FOTM. But for the two current ones, this will take care of them/
MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!
MATARI PRIDE!!
FIX TTK!!
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Kira Takizawa
2Shitz 1Giggle
55
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:16:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits? The FOTM suits are the Callogi and the Gallogi. If, as I said above, you cut their module slots and PG/CPU, then you've already solved 90% of the problem. The Gallogi already has a bonus to PG/CPU on equipment, all we have to do is spread that same bonus to all logi suits in place of the 5hp per second reps and give the Gallogi a different bonus to replace it's reps. As for future FOTM suits, we'll just have to wait and see what pops up as FOTM. But for the two current ones, this will take care of them/ I guess I wasn't clear.. When those are fixed and the new FOTM comes what will your plans to fix those be? And the HP rep isn't the issue and shouldn't be touched honestly. Maybe take some slots away cause all people do is stack dmg mods. Those reps are essential. (To us logibros that use the suit as intended.) |
Mordecai Snake
Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance
10
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:25:00 -
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Removing a logi's ability to use damage mods is the only thing that needs to be done. |
I-Shayz-I
I-----I
1568
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:28:00 -
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I do so much for my team...
It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc.
It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding.
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Mregomies
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
130
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:39:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I do so much for my team...
It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc.
It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. So true!
Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
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pagl1u M
Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn
146
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:53:00 -
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B+¿ happy, our Life is going to be easyer since tomorrow :) |
TechMechMeds
Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc.
1608
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Posted - 2013.12.09 13:31:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this.
It wouldn't though, by that logic then assaults shouldnt even get an equipment slot as this would more define their role., then both roles are more clearly defined.
And as for assaults getting a second equipment slot, that's absurd, that would make logis less useful and they'd all be stacking damage mods because assaults would be self sufficient.
Seriously stop talking about defining the logis role then suggesting bringing more variety to assaults, its ridiculous.
Level 1 forum warrior.
Minmatar and Gallente fw.
I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
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