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Kira Takizawa
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:25:00 -
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Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. |
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:46:00 -
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Monkey MAC wrote:8213 wrote:Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. |
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Posted - 2013.12.09 10:53:00 -
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Luna Angelo wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Monkey MAC wrote:8213 wrote:Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer.
I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat...
A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies...
They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. But, besides DS's, Logibrethern are the most thankless job in this game. I know but I do get thanked from time to time and my corp loves me when I logi so I feel loved kinda lol
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:14:00 -
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I'm honored to have you applaud me Luna :O |
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:15:00 -
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ROEG X wrote:CCP give the Assault class back another equipment slot and call it even. Oh yeah running logistics dropsuits are way more expensive than running assault dropsuits. Equipment adds up. Assault suits are fine... just learn to use them with your playstyle.
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:16:00 -
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pagl1u M wrote:I usually plays only with my Corp mates and they appreciate me being a Logibro (I was a slayer be4 so I think they like my change :)) today I ve played with a team found in the squad Finder. We did a great Job and they thanked me Many times, it was fantastico. I'm happy to know a Logibrethern is about :3 |
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Posted - 2013.12.09 11:18:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits? |
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Posted - 2013.12.09 12:16:00 -
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Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits? The FOTM suits are the Callogi and the Gallogi. If, as I said above, you cut their module slots and PG/CPU, then you've already solved 90% of the problem. The Gallogi already has a bonus to PG/CPU on equipment, all we have to do is spread that same bonus to all logi suits in place of the 5hp per second reps and give the Gallogi a different bonus to replace it's reps. As for future FOTM suits, we'll just have to wait and see what pops up as FOTM. But for the two current ones, this will take care of them/ I guess I wasn't clear.. When those are fixed and the new FOTM comes what will your plans to fix those be? And the HP rep isn't the issue and shouldn't be touched honestly. Maybe take some slots away cause all people do is stack dmg mods. Those reps are essential. (To us logibros that use the suit as intended.) |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:25:00 -
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lee corwood wrote:As a logisis...?? or whatever the female equivalent of logibro is, I am really only jealous at how good players can take a suit I die in a lot and turn it into a slayer. But that being said, I sunk a lot, a LOT of sp, into all the different areas needed to give my team the support they need. I keep them alive, fed and well informed, as my role dictates. Couldn't give a rats ass about my kdr. I just love that feeling of winning a match with good team work and good support and getting some love for it. I might support my team well, but its the good slayers that always check on me and keep me alive as well that deserve a shout out too. They are Logisis and I'm glad to have another Logibro present :D |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:40:00 -
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Slimjimbiscuits wrote:pagl1u M wrote:The logibros are! This game is base on team work and on team cooperation. You have this guy that can at the same time: bring uplinks to let everybody be where they have to be, repair your entire slow recharging armor in a few seconds and let you go back To The battlefield, let you Sit on mountains of ammo to let you Spam whatever you want and also let you see every enemy behind the Wall.
This is OP. Ways more than the slayer ones.
Whoa there, buddy. Take a moment, go back and re-read through your post. I'll wait. You've finished reading it? Now then, let's take a look at the original post. To you, logistics is overpowered, but only if there's four equipment slots. To you, fitting Drop Uplinks, a Repair Tool, a Nanite Injector, and an Active Scanner makes logistics overpowered? I'm sorry, I can't just sit here and not say anything. Especially since you're accusing my way of playing the game as cheap. Look, I didn't spec into Minmatar Logistics just to have people like you complain. The reason I specialize in Minmatar Logistics is because I feel most rewarded when people get on their mics and express how thankful they are to have played alongside a true LogiBro. Then they almost always want to add me as a contact and join their Corp (to which I politely decline). My matches are spent aiding teammates via use of Adv. and/or Pro. nanohives, nanite injectors, active scanners and dual-stream repair tools. If preventing unnecessary deaths and saving others from bleeding out is ocerpowered, so be it! Active scanners are OP at this point of spamming and needs to be removed or nerfed greatly since you can keep an eye on your enemy at most times which is taking the skills part of the game out stop crying about people sneaking up on you and focus on your surroundings.. I used to use scanners but now stopped using them because I see how disgraceful they are. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:42:00 -
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Mordecai Snake wrote:Removing a logi's ability to use damage mods is the only thing that needs to be done. That won't do anything but promote the use of proto weapons with logi suit then.. not really changing much |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:43:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:I do so much for my team...
It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc.
It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. Active scanner= no skill... just saying!
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:45:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:Baal Omniscient wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Emerald Bellerophon wrote:The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. It wouldn't though, by that logic then assaults shouldnt even get an equipment slot as this would more define their role., then both roles are more clearly defined. And as for assaults getting a second equipment slot, that's absurd, that would make logis less useful and they'd all be stacking damage mods because assaults would be self sufficient. Seriously stop talking about defining the logis role then suggesting bringing more variety to assaults, its ridiculous. I'm fine with defining suits as it need to be there need to be more players like you :) |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:47:00 -
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TechMechMeds wrote:In fact, if most assaults weren't complete and utter brainless run and gun trash we wouldn't even need damage mods but seen as a lot of you are utterly crap, we need to.
I have 3 proto assaults so I know for a fact a lot of assault players are awful seriously.
Edit: run and gun trash - nothing method in your killing, no concern to watch anyone's back, you just run on and on then get killed, a headless chicken with a gun, rinse and repeat. What I try to tell people I would love to see more of your views man :D |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 02:53:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:I-Shayz-I wrote:I do so much for my team...
It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc.
It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. Active scanner= no skill... just saying! You're a dumbass, stop posting. The only thing wrong with the scanner is that it should cooldown for longer and have a shorter scan time. I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3 |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 03:00:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3 Lol Scanners are a tactical advantage, if you don't run them it doesn't mean you have "skill". What's the tatic? Knowing where militia are so your protobears can hunt them for fun and games? Congrats! You win with a 30/0 KDR game! You keep your proto gear! That in addition to core skills make it near impossible to kill these teams without orbital,sniping, or be proto yourself.. Get out of here with that and think longer before you respond.. it's sad I bet you don't Dust to grow I watch out for my milita brethern as much as I can. |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 03:09:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3 Lol Scanners are a tactical advantage, if you don't run them it doesn't mean you have "skill". What's the tatic? Knowing where militia are so your protobears can hunt them for fun and games? Congrats! You win with a 30/0 KDR game! You keep your proto gear! Get out of here with that and think longer before you respond.. it's sad I bet you don't Dust to grow I watch out for my milita brethern as much as I can. I don't even run Proto. I run the second most UP gun, the Laser Rifle, and when I don't run that I usually run an Advanced Amarr Logi with triple Uplinks and a 'Toxin' Assault Rifle. lmao Has no logic.... xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf |
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Posted - 2013.12.10 03:14:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf Lol wait what did I say should be nerfed? Cooldown... |
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Posted - 2013.12.11 09:13:00 -
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Patrick57 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:Patrick57 wrote:Kira Takizawa wrote:xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf Lol wait what did I say should be nerfed? Cooldown... You can't find a way around a longer cooldown. The Laser is not OP, as it has a very specific range and outside of that range it is useless. Just because soemone does good with the Laser does not mean it's OP, it means that they have the skill to use it efficiently. And that was back in Chrome, right? The Laser was always OP back then. As I posted above have more people run a scanner... that is a way around the cooldown. And you are right kind of depending on the skill that was put into the weapon as well. |
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