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pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 143	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:11:00 - [1] - Quote The logibros are! This game is base on team work and on team cooperation. You have this guy that can at the same time: bring uplinks to let everybody be where they have to be, repair your entire slow recharging armor in a few seconds and let you go back To The battlefield, let you Sit on mountains of ammo to let you Spam whatever you want and also let you see every enemy behind the Wall. This is OP. Ways more than the slayer ones. This Logibro can be the Most effettive player in the battlefield without using a single bullet. This obviously is working as intended and I hope everybody is going to understand that to win in this game you have to play in a team and doing team work. I only see good corporations doing so and blueberries running (and dying) alone.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 297	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:18:00 - [2] - Quote Logis are and always have been invaluable. It just becomes a bit annoying when they're the only thing you need. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 143	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:35:00 - [3] - Quote They are not the only thing you need, everything in this game has its own role, You just have to play your suit for what it is. You cant use a scout or an heavy as an assault, you re going to die. And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 362	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:49:00 - [4] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: They are not the only thing you need, everything in this game has its own role, You just have to play your suit for what it is. You cant use a scout or an heavy as an assault, you re going to die. And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary. For the most part, this is true, but some people, like myself, have found ways around that and made pretty good Killer Bee suits. Of course, I'm usually a Logisis, but I have one of those mighty suits. Names of playstyles
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 966	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:55:00 - [5] - Quote Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle.
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 143	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:56:00 - [6] - Quote I know logis are also good killers atm but I wouldnt skill a logi suit to be a killer because It isnt its first role and so it could be changed.
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 36	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:58:00 - [7] - Quote You can logi with a logi. You can assault with a logi. You can fit a scanner, pirouette while using it, and scout with a logi. You can fit an awesome tank and heavy with a logi. You can fit some damage mods, sit on triage nanohives while armor-tanking, and snipe with a logi. You can employ your superior PG/CPU and AV with a logi. I imagine a cohesive team using only logi suits would do just as well as the same team using different classes of suits.
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 966	Posted - 2013.12.09 09:59:00 - [8] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: They are not the only thing you need, everything in this game has its own role, You just have to play your suit for what it is. You cant use a scout or an heavy as an assault, you re going to die. And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary. meh... Amarr Logi is a damn good assault suit... This game as it stands right now has no need for Heavies, Scouts, Snipers, or Assaults even...
Emerald Bellerophon Nenikekamen 37	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:02:00 - [9] - Quote The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles.
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 144	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:24:00 - [10] - Quote I dont think logis should be nerfed, because They re balanced if you use em as a Logibro, the problem is when you forgot tobuse your equipments,(or just use a compact nanohive) and use your cpu and pg only to be a slayer, if you nerf the suit you will Also Hurt logibros that doesn't deserve it

Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 51	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:25:00 - [11] - Quote Emerald Bellerophon wrote: The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf.
Monkey MAC Lost Millennium 1171	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:42:00 - [12] - Quote 8213 wrote: Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. The pen is mightier than the sword* The gun is mightier than both Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior of the Trees Lvl.1
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 51	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:46:00 - [13] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: 8213 wrote: Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden.
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 372	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:49:00 - [14] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 8213 wrote: Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. But, besides DS's, Logibrethern are the most thankless job in this game. Names of playstyles
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 53	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:53:00 - [15] - Quote Luna Angelo wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 8213 wrote: Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. But, besides DS's, Logibrethern are the most thankless job in this game. I know but I do get thanked from time to time and my corp loves me when I logi so I feel loved kinda lol
Luna Angelo We Who Walk Alone 373	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:59:00 - [16] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Luna Angelo wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: 8213 wrote: Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I can be a slayer if need be but I just want to be a logibro nothing more nothing less I protect myself I don't want to shoot unless provoked :( I love healing my team and getting a message saying "thanks for the heals,ammo, rezz, etc" It makes my job enjoyable and makes me want to continue living in New Eden. But, besides DS's, Logibrethern are the most thankless job in this game. I know but I do get thanked from time to time and my corp loves me when I logi so I feel loved kinda lol Hey, I've done both. They aren't easy, and we're not in very high demand. I applaud you on your logibrethern status. Names of playstyles
ROEG X Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 29	Posted - 2013.12.09 10:59:00 - [17] - Quote CCP give the Assault class back another equipment slot and call it even. Oh yeah running logistics dropsuits are way more expensive than running assault dropsuits. Equipment adds up.
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 144	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:00:00 - [18] - Quote I usually plays only with my Corp mates and they appreciate me being a Logibro (I was a slayer be4 so I think they like my change :)) today I ve played with a team found in the squad Finder. We did a great Job and they thanked me Many times, it was fantastico.
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 817	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:13:00 - [19] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 54	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:14:00 - [20] - Quote I'm honored to have you applaud me Luna :O

Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 54	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:15:00 - [21] - Quote ROEG X wrote: CCP give the Assault class back another equipment slot and call it even. Oh yeah running logistics dropsuits are way more expensive than running assault dropsuits. Equipment adds up. Assault suits are fine... just learn to use them with your playstyle.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 54	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:16:00 - [22] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: I usually plays only with my Corp mates and they appreciate me being a Logibro (I was a slayer be4 so I think they like my change :)) today I ve played with a team found in the squad Finder. We did a great Job and they thanked me Many times, it was fantastico. I'm happy to know a Logibrethern is about :3
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 54	Posted - 2013.12.09 11:18:00 - [23] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits?
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. Public Disorder. 817	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:01:00 - [24] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits? The FOTM suits are the Callogi and the Gallogi. If, as I said above, you cut their module slots and PG/CPU, then you've already solved 90% of the problem. The Gallogi already has a bonus to PG/CPU on equipment, all we have to do is spread that same bonus to all logi suits in place of the 5hp per second reps and give the Gallogi a different bonus to replace it's reps. As for future FOTM suits, we'll just have to wait and see what pops up as FOTM. But for the two current ones, this will take care of them/ MINMATAR ARISE! DEMAND that our race's suits be FIXED!!! *WE WILL NOT GIVE IN!!* MATARI PRIDE!! FIX TTK!!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 55	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:16:00 - [25] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. That is a start but what will we do to those other FOTM suits? The FOTM suits are the Callogi and the Gallogi. If, as I said above, you cut their module slots and PG/CPU, then you've already solved 90% of the problem. The Gallogi already has a bonus to PG/CPU on equipment, all we have to do is spread that same bonus to all logi suits in place of the 5hp per second reps and give the Gallogi a different bonus to replace it's reps. As for future FOTM suits, we'll just have to wait and see what pops up as FOTM. But for the two current ones, this will take care of them/ I guess I wasn't clear.. When those are fixed and the new FOTM comes what will your plans to fix those be? And the HP rep isn't the issue and shouldn't be touched honestly. Maybe take some slots away cause all people do is stack dmg mods. Those reps are essential. (To us logibros that use the suit as intended.)
Mordecai Snake Sardaukar Merc Guild General Tso's Alliance 10	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:25:00 - [26] - Quote Removing a logi's ability to use damage mods is the only thing that needs to be done.
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1568	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:28:00 - [27] - Quote I do so much for my team... It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc. It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
Mregomies The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 130	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:39:00 - [28] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I do so much for my team... It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc. It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. So true! Suomi, Finland, PERKELE!
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 146	Posted - 2013.12.09 12:53:00 - [29] - Quote B+¿ happy, our Life is going to be easyer since tomorrow :)
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1608	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:31:00 - [30] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. It wouldn't though, by that logic then assaults shouldnt even get an equipment slot as this would more define their role., then both roles are more clearly defined. And as for assaults getting a second equipment slot, that's absurd, that would make logis less useful and they'd all be stacking damage mods because assaults would be self sufficient. Seriously stop talking about defining the logis role then suggesting bringing more variety to assaults, its ridiculous. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2489	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:33:00 - [31] - Quote OP has hit his head. Call an ambulance.
TechMechMeds Swamp Marines Kleenex Inc. 1608	Posted - 2013.12.09 13:37:00 - [32] - Quote In fact, if most assaults weren't complete and utter brainless run and gun trash we wouldn't even need damage mods but seen as a lot of you are utterly crap, we need to. I have 3 proto assaults so I know for a fact a lot of assault players are awful seriously. Level 1 forum warrior. Minmatar and Gallente fw. I sold my wife and kids to the Amarr for isk, its a valid tactic.
Slimjimbiscuits PSU GHOST SYNDICATE DARKSTAR ARMY 1	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:19:00 - [33] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: The logibros are! This game is base on team work and on team cooperation. You have this guy that can at the same time: bring uplinks to let everybody be where they have to be, repair your entire slow recharging armor in a few seconds and let you go back To The battlefield, let you Sit on mountains of ammo to let you Spam whatever you want and also let you see every enemy behind the Wall. This is OP. Ways more than the slayer ones. Whoa there, buddy. Take a moment, go back and re-read through your post. I'll wait. You've finished reading it? Now then, let's take a look at the original post. To you, logistics is overpowered, but only if there's four equipment slots. To you, fitting Drop Uplinks, a Repair Tool, a Nanite Injector, and an Active Scanner makes logistics overpowered? I'm sorry, I can't just sit here and not say anything. Especially since you're accusing my way of playing the game as cheap. Look, I didn't spec into Minmatar Logistics just to have people like you complain. The reason I specialize in Minmatar Logistics is because I feel most rewarded when people get on their mics and express how thankful they are to have played alongside a true LogiBro. Then they almost always want to add me as a contact and join their Corp (to which I politely decline). My matches are spent aiding teammates via use of Adv. and/or Pro. nanohives, nanite injectors, active scanners and dual-stream repair tools. If preventing unnecessary deaths and saving others from bleeding out is ocerpowered, so be it!
pagl1u M Maphia Clan Unit Unicorn 149	Posted - 2013.12.09 14:31:00 - [34] - Quote Slimjimbiscuits wrote: pagl1u M wrote: The logibros are! This game is base on team work and on team cooperation. You have this guy that can at the same time: bring uplinks to let everybody be where they have to be, repair your entire slow recharging armor in a few seconds and let you go back To The battlefield, let you Sit on mountains of ammo to let you Spam whatever you want and also let you see every enemy behind the Wall. This is OP. Ways more than the slayer ones. Whoa there, buddy. Take a moment, go back and re-read through your post. I'll wait. You've finished reading it? Now then, let's take a look at the original post. To you, logistics is overpowered, but only if there's four equipment slots. To you, fitting Drop Uplinks, a Repair Tool, a Nanite Injector, and an Active Scanner makes logistics overpowered? I'm sorry, I can't just sit here and not say anything. Especially since you're accusing my way of playing the game as cheap. Look, I didn't spec into Minmatar Logistics just to have people like you complain. The reason I specialize in Minmatar Logistics is because I feel most rewarded when people get on their mics and express how thankful they are to have played alongside a true LogiBro. Then they almost always want to add me as a contact and join their Corp (to which I politely decline). My matches are spent aiding teammates via use of Adv. and/or Pro. nanohives, nanite injectors, active scanners and dual-stream repair tools. If preventing unnecessary deaths and saving others from bleeding out is ocerpowered, so be it! Well, maybe it was my fault, I m italian and my English isnt that good so maybe I couldnt explain myself. I ve always played with a callogi, I was something between Logibro and slayer. From yesterday I have my new winlogi mk0 like you. And I think it is great. With this thread I wanted to explain 2 things: 1 this game isnt about killing only, a Logibro can be the best player of a match even with 0 kills, 2 if you want to be competitive in this game you have to play in a good and balanced party. If you have the worst suit and find someone with the best suit you can win, if you are in a good team. I for sure, didnt mean that this suit is OP and needs to be nerfed, I wanted to say that it does his Job perfectly. And that every suit has his role. Hope I was Clear enough this time. Logibrofist ;)
8213 BIG BAD W0LVES 979	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:35:00 - [35] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: 8213 wrote: Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. *My role is Cannon Fodder Fixed that for you, Although this does show the problem with the game, everyone wants to be a slayer, but this is a team game. The two do not mix and is why ultimately assault suits will never be happy. I said Assault Slayer, not selfish KDR Wh0re. I may only get 10 kills per game, but every kill I get is important. A true slayer will even sometimes ignore enemies because they aren't a threat to the battle plan.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 121	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:47:00 - [36] - Quote pagl1u M wrote: And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary. Based on my own gameplay, and what I see in PC --> I'm not so sure.
Lv2spd2 Slow And Old 108	Posted - 2013.12.09 19:56:00 - [37] - Quote 8213 wrote: Logis make my job easier... My role is Assault Slayer. I kill. That's it. 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... A logi kills, equips, stocks, heals, hacks, and spins plates while I'm sitting on objective bored out of my mind waiting for enemies... They deserve the points they get. Every kill I get I owe to them. Because they allow my easement in battle. Thank you. THIS logi is really only happy when he has a killer to support.
lee corwood The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 6	Posted - 2013.12.09 20:03:00 - [38] - Quote As a logisis...?? or whatever the female equivalent of logibro is, I am really only jealous at how good players can take a suit I die in a lot and turn it into a slayer. But that being said, I sunk a lot, a LOT of sp, into all the different areas needed to give my team the support they need. I keep them alive, fed and well informed, as my role dictates. Couldn't give a rats ass about my kdr. I just love that feeling of winning a match with good team work and good support and getting some love for it. I might support my team well, but its the good slayers that always check on me and keep me alive as well that deserve a shout out too. I'm sorry, but you've ruined the emperor's groove.
trraacx Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 39	Posted - 2013.12.09 20:17:00 - [39] - Quote There are times when two logis healing a heavy is pretty awesome. Sure, you may not need that but it is pretty cool. 8213 wrote: pagl1u M wrote: They are not the only thing you need, everything in this game has its own role, You just have to play your suit for what it is. You cant use a scout or an heavy as an assault, you re going to die. And Also I m still sure assaults are better killer than logis because of speed and Secondary. meh... Amarr Logi is a damn good assault suit... This game as it stands right now has no need for Heavies, Scouts, Snipers, or Assaults even...
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:25:00 - [40] - Quote lee corwood wrote: As a logisis...?? or whatever the female equivalent of logibro is, I am really only jealous at how good players can take a suit I die in a lot and turn it into a slayer. But that being said, I sunk a lot, a LOT of sp, into all the different areas needed to give my team the support they need. I keep them alive, fed and well informed, as my role dictates. Couldn't give a rats ass about my kdr. I just love that feeling of winning a match with good team work and good support and getting some love for it. I might support my team well, but its the good slayers that always check on me and keep me alive as well that deserve a shout out too. They are Logisis and I'm glad to have another Logibro present :D

Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1955	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:28:00 - [41] - Quote The only thing truly OP about the Logis is their native 5 hp/s repair. Other than that, I agree. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:40:00 - [42] - Quote Slimjimbiscuits wrote: pagl1u M wrote: The logibros are! This game is base on team work and on team cooperation. You have this guy that can at the same time: bring uplinks to let everybody be where they have to be, repair your entire slow recharging armor in a few seconds and let you go back To The battlefield, let you Sit on mountains of ammo to let you Spam whatever you want and also let you see every enemy behind the Wall. This is OP. Ways more than the slayer ones. Whoa there, buddy. Take a moment, go back and re-read through your post. I'll wait. You've finished reading it? Now then, let's take a look at the original post. To you, logistics is overpowered, but only if there's four equipment slots. To you, fitting Drop Uplinks, a Repair Tool, a Nanite Injector, and an Active Scanner makes logistics overpowered? I'm sorry, I can't just sit here and not say anything. Especially since you're accusing my way of playing the game as cheap. Look, I didn't spec into Minmatar Logistics just to have people like you complain. The reason I specialize in Minmatar Logistics is because I feel most rewarded when people get on their mics and express how thankful they are to have played alongside a true LogiBro. Then they almost always want to add me as a contact and join their Corp (to which I politely decline). My matches are spent aiding teammates via use of Adv. and/or Pro. nanohives, nanite injectors, active scanners and dual-stream repair tools. If preventing unnecessary deaths and saving others from bleeding out is ocerpowered, so be it! Active scanners are OP at this point of spamming and needs to be removed or nerfed greatly since you can keep an eye on your enemy at most times which is taking the skills part of the game out stop crying about people sneaking up on you and focus on your surroundings.. I used to use scanners but now stopped using them because I see how disgraceful they are.
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:42:00 - [43] - Quote Mordecai Snake wrote: Removing a logi's ability to use damage mods is the only thing that needs to be done. That won't do anything but promote the use of proto weapons with logi suit then.. not really changing much
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:43:00 - [44] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: I do so much for my team... It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc. It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. Active scanner= no skill... just saying!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:45:00 - [45] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Emerald Bellerophon wrote: The solution, as I and many others have mentioned, is to give a bonus to logi equipment use and nerf PG/CPU and/or slots. Then logis will logi and suck at most other roles. That won't fix anything as I still go 28/3 in my basic Minnie logi >.> A good player can do what they do most of the time reguardless of nerf. It won't stop good players from being good. It will stop everyone else from moving to a suit that gives better assault advantages than an assault suit in order to run an assault class. THAT is the idea, THAT is what we are trying to fix. Not to keep logi's from killing efficiently, but to make them less suitable to the slayer role than the assault suit which is intended to be for the slayer role. If you can slay well in a suit geared more towards support than towards killing, more power to you. But the support suit should not be the go to suit for slayers as well. Reducing module slots and PG/CPU while giving a fitting bonus for equipment to logistic suits would go a long way towards accomplishing this. It wouldn't though, by that logic then assaults shouldnt even get an equipment slot as this would more define their role., then both roles are more clearly defined. And as for assaults getting a second equipment slot, that's absurd, that would make logis less useful and they'd all be stacking damage mods because assaults would be self sufficient. Seriously stop talking about defining the logis role then suggesting bringing more variety to assaults, its ridiculous. I'm fine with defining suits as it need to be there need to be more players like you :)
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:47:00 - [46] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: In fact, if most assaults weren't complete and utter brainless run and gun trash we wouldn't even need damage mods but seen as a lot of you are utterly crap, we need to. I have 3 proto assaults so I know for a fact a lot of assault players are awful seriously. Edit: run and gun trash - nothing method in your killing, no concern to watch anyone's back, you just run on and on then get killed, a headless chicken with a gun, rinse and repeat. What I try to tell people I would love to see more of your views man :D
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1955	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:48:00 - [47] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I do so much for my team... It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc. It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. Active scanner= no skill... just saying! You're a dumbass, stop posting. The only thing wrong with the scanner is that it should cooldown for longer and have a shorter scan time. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:53:00 - [48] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: I do so much for my team... It's hard being a logi sometimes. Always scanning, repping, reviving, throwing down uplinks and nanohives, making sure people don't die, etc. It's a completely different playstyle, maybe even the hardest one, but oh is it rewarding. Active scanner= no skill... just saying! You're a dumbass, stop posting. The only thing wrong with the scanner is that it should cooldown for longer and have a shorter scan time. I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1957	Posted - 2013.12.10 02:57:00 - [49] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3 Lol Scanners are a tactical advantage, if you don't run them it doesn't mean you have "skill". When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 03:00:00 - [50] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3 Lol Scanners are a tactical advantage, if you don't run them it doesn't mean you have "skill". What's the tatic? Knowing where militia are so your protobears can hunt them for fun and games? Congrats! You win with a 30/0 KDR game! You keep your proto gear! That in addition to core skills make it near impossible to kill these teams without orbital,sniping, or be proto yourself.. Get out of here with that and think longer before you respond.. it's sad I bet you don't Dust to grow I watch out for my milita brethern as much as I can.

Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1958	Posted - 2013.12.10 03:03:00 - [51] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3 Lol Scanners are a tactical advantage, if you don't run them it doesn't mean you have "skill". What's the tatic? Knowing where militia are so your protobears can hunt them for fun and games? Congrats! You win with a 30/0 KDR game! You keep your proto gear! Get out of here with that and think longer before you respond.. it's sad I bet you don't Dust to grow I watch out for my milita brethern as much as I can. I don't even run Proto. I run the second most UP gun, the Laser Rifle, and when I don't run that I usually run an Advanced Amarr Logi with triple Uplinks and a 'Toxin' Assault Rifle. lmao Has no logic.... When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 03:09:00 - [52] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: I am a dumbass when all I see every game is someone scanning and his team stomping people out and there are ways around that.. as Logi's can run mulitple scanners (have seen) and multiple people in squad scanning.. Longer cooldown won't fix that.. Please kid just because you may rely on scanners I do not and I get at least 20+ kills per game if not involving scanners on either team. Be more aware of your surroundings and stop crying please :3 Lol Scanners are a tactical advantage, if you don't run them it doesn't mean you have "skill". What's the tatic? Knowing where militia are so your protobears can hunt them for fun and games? Congrats! You win with a 30/0 KDR game! You keep your proto gear! Get out of here with that and think longer before you respond.. it's sad I bet you don't Dust to grow I watch out for my milita brethern as much as I can. I don't even run Proto. I run the second most UP gun, the Laser Rifle, and when I don't run that I usually run an Advanced Amarr Logi with triple Uplinks and a 'Toxin' Assault Rifle. lmao Has no logic.... xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1960	Posted - 2013.12.10 03:11:00 - [53] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf Lol wait what did I say should be nerfed? When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 59	Posted - 2013.12.10 03:14:00 - [54] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf Lol wait what did I say should be nerfed? Cooldown...
Flint Beastgood III GunFall Mobilization Covert Intervention 385	Posted - 2013.12.10 10:51:00 - [55] - Quote 8213 wrote: 1. Aim 2. Shoot 3. Kill 4. Repeat... Haha, the slayers' remix of that crappy "Eat, Sleep, Rave, Repeat" song Gÿó +¦ +¦ Gÿó Meta Gaming V > Proficiency I
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1968	Posted - 2013.12.10 22:18:00 - [56] - Quote Kira Takizawa wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf Lol wait what did I say should be nerfed? Cooldown... You can't find a way around a longer cooldown. The Laser is not OP, as it has a very specific range and outside of that range it is useless. Just because soemone does good with the Laser does not mean it's OP, it means that they have the skill to use it efficiently. And that was back in Chrome, right? The Laser was always OP back then. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Kira Takizawa 2Shitz 1Giggle 62	Posted - 2013.12.11 09:13:00 - [57] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Kira Takizawa wrote: xD UP?! Got dmg mods on it? I've seen people do well with a LR and congrats you spam UL as well just cause you and some others can't do well with it doesn't make it UP. And if you are trying to defend something you don't use you shouldn't have commented at all. If you do use it then you are defending your equipment like those who are afraid of their weapon being nerfed.. yeah you said they should be nerfed and I would be fine with that but that won't help for people will find ways around the nerf Lol wait what did I say should be nerfed? Cooldown... You can't find a way around a longer cooldown. The Laser is not OP, as it has a very specific range and outside of that range it is useless. Just because soemone does good with the Laser does not mean it's OP, it means that they have the skill to use it efficiently. And that was back in Chrome, right? The Laser was always OP back then. As I posted above have more people run a scanner... that is a way around the cooldown. And you are right kind of depending on the skill that was put into the weapon as well.


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