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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:04:00 -
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I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3311
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:05:00 -
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Quote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something
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EXCUTIONR BRUTAL
DUST University
Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:08:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
YES assault needs a small buff in this area.
Hate me for saying it but I also think 3 hi (maybe 4) slots as well |
JL3Eleven
1340
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:10:00 -
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But this would make me quit using a logi suit!!!
Dust Billionaire and LAV BPO Dealer
"Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." -Henry David Thoreau
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1088
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:14:00 -
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The CPU and PG weakness is totally intentional on CCP's fault since it forces us to make compromises in our fittings. This, in turn results in more diverse fittings than simply proto everything (which is what we always ran prior to the reducion in CPU/PG which happened prior to chrome).
What the assaults need are bonuses that actually make sense for our intended roles and tanking modes.
Fun > Realism
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8450
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:14:00 -
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What if you made them less module reliant by increasing base shield for Minmatar/Caldari, base armor for Gallente, and a little bit of both for Amarr. Not sure by how much, but enough to make you look at a damage mod instead of a shield extender and maybe a repper instead of an extra plate. Better yet, make it enough so you can run stuff other than simple shield/armor modules without sacrificing any would be tank.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
44
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:15:00 -
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If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :)
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
232
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:17:00 -
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No we just need better bonuses
and you don't want to become fotm the nerf hammer hurts
Try upgading your pg and cpu skills (forget the names of em
But my usual fit is
All std
Caldary assault
1dmg mod rest extenders
1 reactive rest basic plates
1 scr (soon to be replaced with rr)
1 smg
1 nanohive
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
160
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:18:00 -
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I don't believe logis being nerfed is right but I fully believe assault's need to be powered up and heavies.
Dropships should be way cheaper along with every scout suit.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1096
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:24:00 -
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I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1096
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:26:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :)
I run scout as well and I do understand, but at the moment I am more dedicated to the assault. If the assault can be fixed I will use it solely and would give up all my other roles except my logi. I like to support my team with hives, uplinks, and rep tool.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:29:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:No we just need better bonuses
and you don't want to become fotm the nerf hammer hurts
Try upgading your pg and cpu skills (forget the names of em
But my usual fit is
All std
Caldary assault
1dmg mod rest extenders
1 reactive rest basic plates
1 scr (soon to be replaced with rr)
1 smg
1 nanohive
I am near 30 Million SP and all and I will say it again all my base stats are at 5. So I cant increase even if I wanted to. I have tried and even I do the stupid PG decrease skill on my weapon it is so minimal that it would not even help.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
44
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:31:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
If you are doing this you should probably look into gallente scout. You are basically doing the same thing with better ehp.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:33:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
If you are doing this you should probably look into gallente scout. You are basically doing the same thing with better ehp.
I have a scout fit but like you said better ehp, also the scouts also lack power for there suits as well. I run scout everyday, all day and I have to say I feel for the scout and the heavy. If you cant tell I play way to much.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
44
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:35:00 -
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calvin b wrote:ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :) I run scout as well and I do understand, but at the moment I am more dedicated to the assault. If the assault can be fixed I will use it solely and would give up all my other roles except my logi. I like to support my team with hives, uplinks, and rep tool.
I can respect that. Just don't forget about the plight of the scouts. All we really have is speed. No real ehp, crap cpu/pg. And we can't even stay stealthy with certain scanners.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1996
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:36:00 -
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There's always something I have to leave out for lack of. I deal with it, but given more, I would greatly appreciate it since it would give the assault player everything he/she needs to assault. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
1192
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:37:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
1.) Define "Proper". You literally cannot put an item in each slot? Have you trained any fitting skills at all? I'm completely confused here.
2.) Why does an assault need to be "self efficient"?
3.) Is there a possibility here that you meant to put "Attention Commando Players" in the subject line? Your issues would make far more sense if that were the case. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3993
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:39:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. 1.) Define "Proper". You literally cannot put an item in each slot? Have you trained any fitting skills at all? I'm completely confused here. 2.) Why does an assault need to be "self efficient"? 3.) Is there a possibility here that you meant to put "Attention Commando Players" in the subject line? Your issues would make far more sense if that were the case.
He basically wants Assault stats that make support roles obsolete.
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A link from past to future
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
1193
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:40:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:He basically wants Assault stats that make support roles obsolete.
Well I didn't want to put words in his mouth. 
It's entirely possible he's just confused.
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Tectonic Fusion
661
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:41:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I don't believe logis being nerfed is right but I fully believe assault's need to be powered up and heavies.
Dropships should be way cheaper along with every scout suit.
Also a scout buff ^^
But I don't think they should be less expensive because the work to make all the features takes money.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1493
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:43:00 -
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gK.0
4 Enhanced Plates
3 Complex Damage
Militia Shield Recharger
Duvolle AR
M512-A SMG
C-7 Flux
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner
~1000 HP and still faster than a Logi.
(No Armor Reps yet, just waiting to decide between new rifle or Complex Plates and making RepLogis happy in the meantime.)
I hated my Assault gK.0 suits until a week or so ago.
Built this, been going buck when I get it out.
If I could fit more on there it'd be too precious to use. Ever.
Cheeseburgers.
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1099
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:45:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. 1.) Define "Proper". You literally cannot put an item in each slot? Have you trained any fitting skills at all? I'm completely confused here. 2.) Why does an assault need to be "self efficient"? 3.) Is there a possibility here that you meant to put "Attention Commando Players" in the subject line? Your issues would make far more sense if that were the case.
1. Define proper role is explanatory by the word Assault. I want to be able to build a suit that can survive today's hostile environment, at the same time giving back to what the enemy is trying to do me, while I am on the front lines doing my job.
2. Why does an assault have to be self sufficient. Do you see any logi's around I sure as H*** do not. I have to bring my own ammo, my own rep hives, if I do not who else is going to do this. I have gone battle after battle and not one hive was dropped or uplink and I am desperately seeking ammo and someone to rep me, why? Because the enemy has destroyed all the supply depots and I have to hike all the way to the rear for resupplies
3. No Commandont is a different story. An assault needs to be able to do there job and that is frontal assault or any other form of combat that requires you to push for the objective while risking your life for the better of the team.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
650
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:47:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
Are you trying to say self-sufficient? Assaults can't be self-sufficient. :< It sucks, I know but the best we should be able to do is throw down a cheap nanohive for replenishing ammo when we're all out. Other than that, Logistics are supposed to support us in those cases.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:49:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:gK.0
4 Enhanced Plates
3 Complex Damage
Militia Shield Recharger
Duvolle AR
M512-A SMG
C-7 Flux
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner
~1000 HP and still faster than a Logi.
(No Armor Reps yet, just waiting to decide between new rifle or Complex Plates and making RepLogis happy in the meantime.)
I hated my Assault gK.0 suits until a week or so ago.
Built this, been going buck when I get it out.
If I could fit more on there it'd be too precious to use. Ever.
Problem you have to many items in your low slot. Do you mean that is your logi fit? Now I am going to log in and replicate your build be right back. Reserved for further input.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1998
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:51:00 -
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That's the truth. Earlier today I had to switch to being a logibro in a quick match before work. There were no uplinks, no nanohives, no repping, no nothing.
I was getting massive WPs because I was the only Logibro. That's terrible.
I think I shocked a heavy today when I just followed him around repping while he mowed down the reds. It's times like those that being a Logibro is good fun. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:53:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Are you trying to say self-sufficient? Assaults can't be self-sufficient. :< It sucks, I know but the best we should be able to do is throw down a cheap nanohive for replenishing ammo when we're all out. Other than that, Logistics are supposed to support us in those cases.
I agree but I hate to say it but Logi's are in short supply. Now if your looking for a Slayer Logi, well there is plenty to go around and if you ask nicely they might share one of there hives with you
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
48
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:54:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:calvin b wrote:ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :) I run scout as well and I do understand, but at the moment I am more dedicated to the assault. If the assault can be fixed I will use it solely and would give up all my other roles except my logi. I like to support my team with hives, uplinks, and rep tool. I can respect that. Just don't forget about the plight of the scouts. All we really have is speed. No real ehp, crap cpu/pg. And we can't even stay stealthy with certain scanners.
Forgot to add that scouts also have no specific role on the battle field.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
48
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:58:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Are you trying to say self-sufficient? Assaults can't be self-sufficient. :< It sucks, I know but the best we should be able to do is throw down a cheap nanohive for replenishing ammo when we're all out. Other than that, Logistics are supposed to support us in those cases. I agree but I hate to say it but Logi's are in short supply. Now if your looking for a Slayer Logi, well there is plenty to go around and if you ask nicely they might share one of there hives with you
It is hard to find a logi that is actually helpful. Most are slayer logis. Lucky for me that I squad up with true logis that are still efficient at killing. A good logo will be able to help a downed teamate and kill enemies.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
528
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:02:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off.
{:)}{3GÇó>
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:04:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off.
Ok what do you recommend?
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
528
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:06:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off. Ok what do you recommend?
Hold on need to think/calculat, it's delicate.
{:)}{3GÇó>
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
958
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:08:00 -
[32] - Quote
Assault bonus needs to change to a -50% cpu/pg on light and sidearm weaponry. Assaults are attack based, so they should easily carry the best weapons. |
Oswald Rehnquist
794
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:15:00 -
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Doc Noah wrote:Assault bonus needs to change to a -50% cpu/pg on light and sidearm weaponry. Assaults are attack based, so they should easily carry the best weapons.
There is a reason why the amarr logi doesn't surpase the amarr assault despite it being the "assault logi"
A damage bonus (whether direct or indirect) would be better because logis have the cpu/pg to match any reduction bonus you could give the assault, and what a damage/utility bonus would do is make the assault the better frontliner.
Below 28 dB
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Rusty Shallows
567
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:17:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:He basically wants Assault stats that make support roles obsolete. Well I didn't want to put words in his mouth. It's entirely possible he's just confused.
Assaults only get one equipment slot so how could that ever replace a Logi?
MCC Lounge Lizard
Forums > Game
Fix the game CCP
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
528
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:23:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off. Ok what do you recommend? Hold on need to think/calculat, it's delicate.
CPU/PG
Proto 60/13
Adv 42/9
Std 30/6
That sound about right.
{:)}{3GÇó>
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
174
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:28:00 -
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My Minmatar Assault is this:
Minmatar M/1
GLU-5 TAR
M512-A SMG
Sleek Locus Grenades
Stable Uplink
Highs:
1 enhanced dmg mod
2 enhanced shield extenders
Lows:
1 enhanced armor plate
1 basic reactive plate |
Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
959
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:28:00 -
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Oswald Rehnquist wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Assault bonus needs to change to a -50% cpu/pg on light and sidearm weaponry. Assaults are attack based, so they should easily carry the best weapons. There is a reason why the amarr logi doesn't surpase the amarr assault despite it being the "assault logi" A damage bonus (whether direct or indirect) would be better because logis have the cpu/pg to match any reduction bonus you could give the assault, and what a damage/utility bonus would do is make the assault the better frontliner.
Not if logi were to get similar CPU/PG as assaults but given an equipment reduction bonus instead, that would make fitting ADV and PRO weapons much harder for them. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1101
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:47:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off. Ok what do you recommend? Hold on need to think/calculate, it's delicate. CPU/PG Proto 60/13 Adv 42/9 Std 30/6 That sounds about right.
Ok I can go with that, are you willing to negotiate and add 10 more to CPU and 7PG for the proto. That to me would make me happy.
F* the Snowflake
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1101
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:50:00 -
[39] - Quote
Aria Gomes wrote:My Minmatar Assault is this:
Minmatar M/1
GLU-5 TAR
M512-A SMG
Sleek Locus Grenades
Stable Uplink
Highs:
1 enhanced dmg mod
2 enhanced shield extenders
Lows:
1 enhanced armor plate
1 basic reactive plate
It's not too bad. I try to say away from CQC because I know I'll die since I'm squishy.
Ok not bad, what do you do if you are in need of ammo or reps? Just trying to figure out your play style and see if you are able to survive without support near by. Also if you do need support, do you feel it takes away from your game time to find support or a resupply depot?
F* the Snowflake
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ALT2 acc
The dyst0pian Corporation
Zero-Day
8
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:00:00 -
[40] - Quote
Rynoceros wrote:gK.0
4 Enhanced Plates
3 Complex Damage
Militia Shield Recharger
Duvolle AR
M512-A SMG
C-7 Flux
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner
~1000 HP and still faster than a Logi.
(No Armor Reps yet, just waiting to decide between new rifle or Complex Plates and making RepLogis happy in the meantime.)
I hated my Assault gK.0 suits until a week or so ago.
Built this, been going buck when I get it out.
If I could fit more on there it'd be too precious to use. Ever.
terible fit. no armor rep for a ARMOR tanked suit? atleast put 1 on |
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
528
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:16:00 -
[41] - Quote
calvin b wrote:Ok I can go with that, are you willing to negotiate and add 10 more to CPU and 7PG for the proto. That to me would make me happy.
These numbers were calculated with a lot of weapons and modules in mind, to make it to where certain sacrifices still need to be made. I would go no higher than 10 more CPU and 2 more PG.
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
528
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:20:00 -
[42] - Quote
Also, a thing you may not be considering is, these values were calculated to be an increase to dropsuit base CPU/PG, which doesn't include the 1.25 bonus from engineering and electronics skills.
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Aria Gomes
Death by Disassociation
Zero-Day
174
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:22:00 -
[43] - Quote
calvin b wrote:Aria Gomes wrote:My Minmatar Assault is this:
Minmatar M/1
GLU-5 TAR
M512-A SMG
Sleek Locus Grenades
Stable Uplink
Highs:
1 enhanced dmg mod
2 enhanced shield extenders
Lows:
1 enhanced armor plate
1 basic reactive plate
It's not too bad. I try to say away from CQC because I know I'll die since I'm squishy. Ok not bad, what do you do if you are in need of ammo or reps? Just trying to figure out your play style and see if you are able to survive without support near by. Also if you do need support, do you feel it takes away from your game time to find support or a resupply depot?
I mostly try to make every bullet hit the person. I never ran out of ammo with the TAC, so that's why I stick with it. If I do need ammo, I would find a hive or depot ASAP. For repping I usually get in cover or try to run away to let my shields regen on their own. But my armor rep rate is 2.00 so I usually get my armor back quick, so I won't die as fast. Finding support isn't too hard, I prefer looking sometimes for the extra help with enemies. |
Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4478
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:49:00 -
[44] - Quote
Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:Mobius Wyvern wrote:He basically wants Assault stats that make support roles obsolete. Well I didn't want to put words in his mouth. It's entirely possible he's just confused.
If they're going to be so essential they need a huge drawback in terms of killing potential.
Right now, their advantages beat the crap and eat their drawbacks for breakfast.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Cat Merc
Ahrendee Mercenaries
EoN.
4478
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:53:00 -
[45] - Quote
DO NOT, and I repeat DO NOT increase assaults CPU/PG.
Nerf logi CPU/PG, and make equipment much more attractive in terms of fitting resources.
Assaults have a perfect balance of trade offs in terms of CPU/PG, where even at max skills I am having to make difficult decisions instead of slapping on everything proto.
Logis?
lolno.
Shield regeneration bonus for Gallente Assault is about as useful as Sharpshooter for Nova Knives.
Tuna > Tacos
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Ghost Kaisar
THIRD EARTH INCORPORATED
978
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Posted - 2013.12.07 07:53:00 -
[46] - Quote
calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
My proto Mk. 0 scout laughs at your CPU/PG whining.
I have 5 slots total and 302/79 CPU/PG (MAXED).
Get in line. Scouts have been gimped in this area for FOREVER.
"All war is deception." "He who knows when he can fight and when he cannot, will be victorious" -Sun Tzu
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Farsund Solheim
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
21
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:17:00 -
[47] - Quote
Doc Noah wrote:Assault bonus needs to change to a -50% cpu/pg on light and sidearm weaponry. Assaults are attack based, so they should easily carry the best weapons.
Also add a +2% or 3% damage per level to their respective racial weapon variants |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1495
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:19:00 -
[48] - Quote
calvin b wrote:...it will not fit do to lack of CPU  And all I got was 896 ehp for the build and not a 1000.
Away from game at the time...
879 HP (again, Plates at 3 til I see the new weapons)
I did add 1 too many Damage Mods
And a 'Toxin' SMG, not the M512-A as I thought, just to keep the price semi-reasonable
But, still a pretty thick Assault.
I have fun with it.
Gimme a Proto Rep Tool on my back and it feels illegal.
And, it's only gonna get better...
Cheeseburgers.
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1998
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:21:00 -
[49] - Quote
LOL @ the common rebuttal..."butthurt? think about what the scouts go through" shut up please with that. Thank you. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1102
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:24:00 -
[50] - Quote
Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:Ok I can go with that, are you willing to negotiate and add 10 more to CPU and 7PG for the proto. That to me would make me happy.
These numbers were calculated with a lot of weapons and modules in mind, to make it to where certain sacrifices still need to be made. I would go no higher than 10 more CPU and 2 more PG.
Ok I can live with that, but can the rest of the community agree. I am open for compromise, as long as it resolves the issue I can care less how we got there.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Doc Noah
Algintal Core
Gallente Federation
959
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:24:00 -
[51] - Quote
Farsund Solheim wrote:Doc Noah wrote:Assault bonus needs to change to a -50% cpu/pg on light and sidearm weaponry. Assaults are attack based, so they should easily carry the best weapons. Also add a +2% or 3% damage per level to their respective racial weapon variants
Not too crazy on the idea of a damage buff, it's a middle finger to scouts and heavy. Scouts will die even faster even in short engagements, heavies will die even faster since more damage will negate their higher HP. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1102
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:28:00 -
[52] - Quote
Rynoceros wrote:calvin b wrote:...it will not fit do to lack of CPU And all I got was 896 ehp for the build and not a 1000. Away from game at the time... 879 HP (again, Plates at 3 til I see the new weapons) I did add 1 too many Damage Mods And a 'Toxin' SMG, not the M512-A as I thought, just to keep the price semi-reasonable But, still a pretty thick Assault. I have fun with it. Gimme a Proto Rep Tool on my back and it feels illegal. And, it's only gonna get better...
Cool its as solid as they come. I have been working on different fits for Gal Assault and I find it lacking in some areas. It feels like something is off. I know this may sound odd, but I do better with my Dren assault than I do with my Gal Assault. The sad part is my Dren Assault has as much ehp as my Gal assault and cost half the price.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Rei Shepard
The Rainbow Effect
1291
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Posted - 2013.12.07 10:01:00 -
[53] - Quote
calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
They made PG and CPU upgrade modules for that purpose....other then that, learn to work with what you have...
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KGB Sleep
Ikomari-Onu Enforcement
Caldari State
466
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Posted - 2013.12.07 10:12:00 -
[54] - Quote
calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
I agree.
Even running a compact hive I still run out of CPU and have to use a module on some of my fits.
Shield Extender CPU is to blame.
"Because beer, that's why."
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
530
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Posted - 2013.12.07 10:33:00 -
[55] - Quote
calvin b wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:Ok I can go with that, are you willing to negotiate and add 10 more to CPU and 7PG for the proto. That to me would make me happy.
These numbers were calculated with a lot of weapons and modules in mind, to make it to where certain sacrifices still need to be made. I would go no higher than 10 more CPU and 2 more PG. Ok I can live with that, but can the rest of the community agree. I am open for compromise, as long as it resolves the issue I can care less how we got there.
Change the values in the OP then.
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Turalyon 514
Turalyon Alliance
5865
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:07:00 -
[56] - Quote
So, over double the PG on proto assaults?
Seems legit.
Level 5 Forum Warrior
Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution
Gallente FW - 'Turalyon'
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8213
BIG BAD W0LVES
951
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:10:00 -
[57] - Quote
Truth be told WTF is an Assault build? It's just a medium frame with shield bonuses.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
235
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:19:00 -
[58] - Quote
calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
Dude i see the problem here.... thats a f'kin awful fit for a gallente. no wonder you're not surviving 
ditch the shield extender cos its utterly pointless and just put in an extra damage mod.
ditch the kincat and cardiac cos they're pointless too
just go basic kill fit.
3 complex damage mods
2 complex armor plates
2 complex armor reppers
duvolle
Toxin
lucus nade
whatever fits in equipment slot!
the plates/reppers you have to tweak a bit. on the adv basic frame i have 2 enhanced plates and a complex repper gives me 150 shields, 570 armor and 6.25hps rep (roughly)
you may need to fit 3 enhanced plates and complex repper and that should still keep you light on your toes as well as freeing up cpu/pg for better equipment whiel still giving great rep and it has a rather good survivability... hell even i can go positive kdr with it
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1495
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:20:00 -
[59] - Quote
calvin b wrote:I know this may sound odd, but I do better with my Dren assault than I do with my Gal Assault. The sad part is my Dren Assault has as much ehp as my Gal assault and cost half the price.
If I m playing well, my 'Dragonfly' Assault does just as well as my gK.0
Same fitting basically; 2 Complex Damage, 2 Enhanced Plates, A-45, C-7, 'Toxin' AR & SMG
The thing that aggravates me is that there is a CPU/PG limitation on Proto suits at all.
Top tier Frames can't be outfitted in all top tier equipment?
Really? I shouldn't be able to put MLT trash on it, not forced into using it.
Cheeseburgers.
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Nirwanda Vaughns
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
235
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:21:00 -
[60] - Quote
calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
Dude i see the problem here.... thats a f'kin awful fit for a gallente. no wonder you're not surviving
ditch the shield extender cos its utterly pointless and just put in an extra damage mod.
ditch the kincat and cardiac cos they're pointless too
just go basic kill fit.
3 complex damage mods
2 complex armor plates
2 complex armor reppers
duvolle
Toxin
lucus nade
whatever fits in equipment slot!
the plates/reppers you have to tweak a bit. on the adv basic frame i have 2 enhanced plates and a complex repper gives me 150 shields, 570 armor and 6.25hps rep (roughly)
you may need to fit 3 enhanced plates and complex repper and that should still keep you light on your toes as well as freeing up cpu/pg for better equipment while still giving great rep and it has a rather good survivability... hell even i can go posi kdr with it
also if you're low on PG try getting AR fitting optimization upa couple. it works wonders
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1105
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:41:00 -
[61] - Quote
Rei Shepard wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. They made PG and CPU upgrade modules for that purpose....other then that, learn to work with what you have...
This is what is wrong, everyone points to CPU and PG modules. Well the problem is as an Armor class as a Gal Assault you have very limited low slots. You need those slots for armor and armor rep modules. So having only three low slots what do you sacrifice, so your suit can do what it was meant to do. An assault is supposed to be front lines and supposed to be able to hold there own. If you read what a logi is, it clearly states its supposed to be a support role. I need just like all assaults do and that is an increase in CPU and PG to make our suits more viable. If the answer you are proposing is CPU and PG modules, it will not work. I will give you an example.
2 High slots can be used for Damage mod or Shield extender or energizers
3 Low Slots now can be used for armor plates( 3 different variations) armor rep module, Kincats, Cardio, PG module, CPU module, Shield module
So you see the low side carriers what is the most important to almost all classes. This is why if you dedicate one or even two slots to increase your power you have weaken your suit and you have no room to improve your speed or your strength. This is the problem you have, what to sacrifice and how to make your suit viable. Its a terrible choice to have to make.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1105
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:43:00 -
[62] - Quote
8213 wrote:Truth be told WTF is an Assault build? It's just a medium frame with shield bonuses.
That's CCP's fault for giving us such terrible Racial bonuses.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1105
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:52:00 -
[63] - Quote
Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
Dude i see the problem here.... thats a f'kin awful fit for a gallente. no wonder you're not surviving ditch the shield extender cos its utterly pointless and just put in an extra damage mod. ditch the kincat and cardiac cos they're pointless too just go basic kill fit. 3 complex damage mods 2 complex armor plates 2 complex armor reppers duvolle Toxin lucus nade whatever fits in equipment slot! the plates/reppers you have to tweak a bit. on the adv basic frame i have 2 enhanced plates and a complex repper gives me 150 shields, 570 armor and 6.25hps rep (roughly) you may need to fit 3 enhanced plates and complex repper and that should still keep you light on your toes as well as freeing up cpu/pg for better equipment whiel still giving great rep and it has a rather good survivability... hell even i can go positive kdr with it
Trust me I have built the same suit you spoke of along with every possible build imaginable. I have been working like a mad scientist to find the right mix and it is impossible. If you go tank you lose speed, if you use armor Ferroscale or reactive plate you gain speed but lose a lot of CPU and PG. Now you also have to choose if you are going to use armor rep module and it uses 45/11 for complex. You see by the time you put together a great tank suit, you are left with very little to spread between your main weapon, your side arm, grenade slot, and equipment. So there is the dilemma what to leave off and what can you live without.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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m621 zma
OMFGZOMBIESRUN
63
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Posted - 2013.12.07 12:08:00 -
[64] - Quote
Meh...
Don't really care if we get more or if it stays the same. |
N7 Operative Anthony
warravens
League of Infamy
8
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Posted - 2013.12.07 13:19:00 -
[65] - Quote
Caldari Assault can use a CPU/PG buff. Here's my proto fit...
2 Complex shield extenders
2 Complex damage modifiers
1 Enhanced Armor module
1 Complex Armor repairer
1 Enhanced CPU extension module
Duvolle
Core Flaylock
M1 grenades
Shield count: 422
Armor count: 271
Shield and Armor skills maxed out
Shield Extenders need a slight HP buff too |
Broonfondle Majikthies
Bannana Boat Corp
Relentless Heroes Alliance
555
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Posted - 2013.12.07 14:28:00 -
[66] - Quote
My assault suits are fine for power, even with decent equipment and a good sidearm.
In fact the only crappy thing on my suits is grenades cus I don't use them much and a standard flux is enough for me.
As I see it, PG is the defining limiting factor for all vehicles and suits in the game. Its purpose is to make it so you can't have absolutely everything you want. I also believe its to encourage us to specialise our suits
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