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calvin b
Molon Labe.
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:04:00 -
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I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1096
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:24:00 -
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I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1096
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:26:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :)
I run scout as well and I do understand, but at the moment I am more dedicated to the assault. If the assault can be fixed I will use it solely and would give up all my other roles except my logi. I like to support my team with hives, uplinks, and rep tool.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:29:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:No we just need better bonuses
and you don't want to become fotm the nerf hammer hurts
Try upgading your pg and cpu skills (forget the names of em
But my usual fit is
All std
Caldary assault
1dmg mod rest extenders
1 reactive rest basic plates
1 scr (soon to be replaced with rr)
1 smg
1 nanohive
I am near 30 Million SP and all and I will say it again all my base stats are at 5. So I cant increase even if I wanted to. I have tried and even I do the stupid PG decrease skill on my weapon it is so minimal that it would not even help.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:33:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
If you are doing this you should probably look into gallente scout. You are basically doing the same thing with better ehp.
I have a scout fit but like you said better ehp, also the scouts also lack power for there suits as well. I run scout everyday, all day and I have to say I feel for the scout and the heavy. If you cant tell I play way to much.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1099
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:45:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. 1.) Define "Proper". You literally cannot put an item in each slot? Have you trained any fitting skills at all? I'm completely confused here. 2.) Why does an assault need to be "self efficient"? 3.) Is there a possibility here that you meant to put "Attention Commando Players" in the subject line? Your issues would make far more sense if that were the case.
1. Define proper role is explanatory by the word Assault. I want to be able to build a suit that can survive today's hostile environment, at the same time giving back to what the enemy is trying to do me, while I am on the front lines doing my job.
2. Why does an assault have to be self sufficient. Do you see any logi's around I sure as H*** do not. I have to bring my own ammo, my own rep hives, if I do not who else is going to do this. I have gone battle after battle and not one hive was dropped or uplink and I am desperately seeking ammo and someone to rep me, why? Because the enemy has destroyed all the supply depots and I have to hike all the way to the rear for resupplies
3. No Commandont is a different story. An assault needs to be able to do there job and that is frontal assault or any other form of combat that requires you to push for the objective while risking your life for the better of the team.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:49:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:gK.0
4 Enhanced Plates
3 Complex Damage
Militia Shield Recharger
Duvolle AR
M512-A SMG
C-7 Flux
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner
~1000 HP and still faster than a Logi.
(No Armor Reps yet, just waiting to decide between new rifle or Complex Plates and making RepLogis happy in the meantime.)
I hated my Assault gK.0 suits until a week or so ago.
Built this, been going buck when I get it out.
If I could fit more on there it'd be too precious to use. Ever.
Problem you have to many items in your low slot. Do you mean that is your logi fit? Now I am going to log in and replicate your build be right back. Reserved for further input.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:53:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Are you trying to say self-sufficient? Assaults can't be self-sufficient. :< It sucks, I know but the best we should be able to do is throw down a cheap nanohive for replenishing ammo when we're all out. Other than that, Logistics are supposed to support us in those cases.
I agree but I hate to say it but Logi's are in short supply. Now if your looking for a Slayer Logi, well there is plenty to go around and if you ask nicely they might share one of there hives with you
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:04:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off.
Ok what do you recommend?
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1101
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:47:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off. Ok what do you recommend? Hold on need to think/calculate, it's delicate. CPU/PG Proto 60/13 Adv 42/9 Std 30/6 That sounds about right.
Ok I can go with that, are you willing to negotiate and add 10 more to CPU and 7PG for the proto. That to me would make me happy.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1101
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:50:00 -
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Aria Gomes wrote:My Minmatar Assault is this:
Minmatar M/1
GLU-5 TAR
M512-A SMG
Sleek Locus Grenades
Stable Uplink
Highs:
1 enhanced dmg mod
2 enhanced shield extenders
Lows:
1 enhanced armor plate
1 basic reactive plate
It's not too bad. I try to say away from CQC because I know I'll die since I'm squishy.
Ok not bad, what do you do if you are in need of ammo or reps? Just trying to figure out your play style and see if you are able to survive without support near by. Also if you do need support, do you feel it takes away from your game time to find support or a resupply depot?
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1102
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:24:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:Ok I can go with that, are you willing to negotiate and add 10 more to CPU and 7PG for the proto. That to me would make me happy.
These numbers were calculated with a lot of weapons and modules in mind, to make it to where certain sacrifices still need to be made. I would go no higher than 10 more CPU and 2 more PG.
Ok I can live with that, but can the rest of the community agree. I am open for compromise, as long as it resolves the issue I can care less how we got there.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1102
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Posted - 2013.12.07 08:28:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:calvin b wrote:...it will not fit do to lack of CPU  And all I got was 896 ehp for the build and not a 1000. Away from game at the time... 879 HP (again, Plates at 3 til I see the new weapons) I did add 1 too many Damage Mods And a 'Toxin' SMG, not the M512-A as I thought, just to keep the price semi-reasonable But, still a pretty thick Assault. I have fun with it. Gimme a Proto Rep Tool on my back and it feels illegal. And, it's only gonna get better...
Cool its as solid as they come. I have been working on different fits for Gal Assault and I find it lacking in some areas. It feels like something is off. I know this may sound odd, but I do better with my Dren assault than I do with my Gal Assault. The sad part is my Dren Assault has as much ehp as my Gal assault and cost half the price.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1105
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:41:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. They made PG and CPU upgrade modules for that purpose....other then that, learn to work with what you have...
This is what is wrong, everyone points to CPU and PG modules. Well the problem is as an Armor class as a Gal Assault you have very limited low slots. You need those slots for armor and armor rep modules. So having only three low slots what do you sacrifice, so your suit can do what it was meant to do. An assault is supposed to be front lines and supposed to be able to hold there own. If you read what a logi is, it clearly states its supposed to be a support role. I need just like all assaults do and that is an increase in CPU and PG to make our suits more viable. If the answer you are proposing is CPU and PG modules, it will not work. I will give you an example.
2 High slots can be used for Damage mod or Shield extender or energizers
3 Low Slots now can be used for armor plates( 3 different variations) armor rep module, Kincats, Cardio, PG module, CPU module, Shield module
So you see the low side carriers what is the most important to almost all classes. This is why if you dedicate one or even two slots to increase your power you have weaken your suit and you have no room to improve your speed or your strength. This is the problem you have, what to sacrifice and how to make your suit viable. Its a terrible choice to have to make.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1105
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:43:00 -
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8213 wrote:Truth be told WTF is an Assault build? It's just a medium frame with shield bonuses.
That's CCP's fault for giving us such terrible Racial bonuses.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1105
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Posted - 2013.12.07 11:52:00 -
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Nirwanda Vaughns wrote:calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
Dude i see the problem here.... thats a f'kin awful fit for a gallente. no wonder you're not surviving  ditch the shield extender cos its utterly pointless and just put in an extra damage mod. ditch the kincat and cardiac cos they're pointless too just go basic kill fit. 3 complex damage mods 2 complex armor plates 2 complex armor reppers duvolle Toxin lucus nade whatever fits in equipment slot! the plates/reppers you have to tweak a bit. on the adv basic frame i have 2 enhanced plates and a complex repper gives me 150 shields, 570 armor and 6.25hps rep (roughly) you may need to fit 3 enhanced plates and complex repper and that should still keep you light on your toes as well as freeing up cpu/pg for better equipment whiel still giving great rep and it has a rather good survivability... hell even i can go positive kdr with it
Trust me I have built the same suit you spoke of along with every possible build imaginable. I have been working like a mad scientist to find the right mix and it is impossible. If you go tank you lose speed, if you use armor Ferroscale or reactive plate you gain speed but lose a lot of CPU and PG. Now you also have to choose if you are going to use armor rep module and it uses 45/11 for complex. You see by the time you put together a great tank suit, you are left with very little to spread between your main weapon, your side arm, grenade slot, and equipment. So there is the dilemma what to leave off and what can you live without.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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