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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:04:00 -
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I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Sgt Kirk
SyNergy Gaming
EoN.
3311
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:05:00 -
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Quote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something
Isn't that the whole point? |
EXCUTIONR BRUTAL
DUST University
Ivy League
16
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:08:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
YES assault needs a small buff in this area.
Hate me for saying it but I also think 3 hi (maybe 4) slots as well |
JL3Eleven
1340
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:10:00 -
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But this would make me quit using a logi suit!!!
Dust Billionaire and LAV BPO Dealer
"Any fool can make a rule, and any fool will mind it." -Henry David Thoreau
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1088
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:14:00 -
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The CPU and PG weakness is totally intentional on CCP's fault since it forces us to make compromises in our fittings. This, in turn results in more diverse fittings than simply proto everything (which is what we always ran prior to the reducion in CPU/PG which happened prior to chrome).
What the assaults need are bonuses that actually make sense for our intended roles and tanking modes.
Fun > Realism
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Cosgar
ParagonX
8450
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:14:00 -
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What if you made them less module reliant by increasing base shield for Minmatar/Caldari, base armor for Gallente, and a little bit of both for Amarr. Not sure by how much, but enough to make you look at a damage mod instead of a shield extender and maybe a repper instead of an extra plate. Better yet, make it enough so you can run stuff other than simple shield/armor modules without sacrificing any would be tank.
I tried to put a level into Amarr Commando once, but got a server notification saying "Why?"
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
44
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:15:00 -
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If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :)
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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deepfried salad gilliam
Sanguine Knights
232
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:17:00 -
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No we just need better bonuses
and you don't want to become fotm the nerf hammer hurts
Try upgading your pg and cpu skills (forget the names of em
But my usual fit is
All std
Caldary assault
1dmg mod rest extenders
1 reactive rest basic plates
1 scr (soon to be replaced with rr)
1 smg
1 nanohive
Christ is lord
Sanguine knights , open recruitment, join now.
Fear is a choice, I choose not to let it control me.
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Grease Spillett
Ancient Exiles.
Renegade Alliance
160
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:18:00 -
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I don't believe logis being nerfed is right but I fully believe assault's need to be powered up and heavies.
Dropships should be way cheaper along with every scout suit.
Next time you see me, bring more friends.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gBM5hM5LdDw
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1096
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:24:00 -
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I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1096
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:26:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :)
I run scout as well and I do understand, but at the moment I am more dedicated to the assault. If the assault can be fixed I will use it solely and would give up all my other roles except my logi. I like to support my team with hives, uplinks, and rep tool.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:29:00 -
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deepfried salad gilliam wrote:No we just need better bonuses
and you don't want to become fotm the nerf hammer hurts
Try upgading your pg and cpu skills (forget the names of em
But my usual fit is
All std
Caldary assault
1dmg mod rest extenders
1 reactive rest basic plates
1 scr (soon to be replaced with rr)
1 smg
1 nanohive
I am near 30 Million SP and all and I will say it again all my base stats are at 5. So I cant increase even if I wanted to. I have tried and even I do the stupid PG decrease skill on my weapon it is so minimal that it would not even help.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
44
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:31:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
If you are doing this you should probably look into gallente scout. You are basically doing the same thing with better ehp.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1098
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:33:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:calvin b wrote:I agree about diversity and not able to put proto across the board. So let me give you an example. I want to use a run and gun fit and I am using a Proto Gal Assault for example.
High side I put 2 Complex damage mods/1 Complex shield extender
Low side I put 2 basic armor plate 1 Complex Kin and 1 Complex Cardio
Weapon: Main Duvolle side arm: Toxin SMg
Grenade( cannot fit due to lack of power)
Equipment: Maybe a compact nanohive if I have the power.
This is a speed fit for me, maybe not for everyone. You can fiddle with this all you want but you still come out short somewhere and you have to choose.
I am not brick tanking this fit and I am choosing speed over survivability but I am still coming up short. If I was using a Gal Logi I would have no problem building this fit and would be able to fit a grenade and decent equipment.
If you are doing this you should probably look into gallente scout. You are basically doing the same thing with better ehp.
I have a scout fit but like you said better ehp, also the scouts also lack power for there suits as well. I run scout everyday, all day and I have to say I feel for the scout and the heavy. If you cant tell I play way to much.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
44
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:35:00 -
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calvin b wrote:ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :) I run scout as well and I do understand, but at the moment I am more dedicated to the assault. If the assault can be fixed I will use it solely and would give up all my other roles except my logi. I like to support my team with hives, uplinks, and rep tool.
I can respect that. Just don't forget about the plight of the scouts. All we really have is speed. No real ehp, crap cpu/pg. And we can't even stay stealthy with certain scanners.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1996
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:36:00 -
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There's always something I have to leave out for lack of. I deal with it, but given more, I would greatly appreciate it since it would give the assault player everything he/she needs to assault. |
Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
1192
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:37:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
1.) Define "Proper". You literally cannot put an item in each slot? Have you trained any fitting skills at all? I'm completely confused here.
2.) Why does an assault need to be "self efficient"?
3.) Is there a possibility here that you meant to put "Attention Commando Players" in the subject line? Your issues would make far more sense if that were the case. |
Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
3993
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:39:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. 1.) Define "Proper". You literally cannot put an item in each slot? Have you trained any fitting skills at all? I'm completely confused here. 2.) Why does an assault need to be "self efficient"? 3.) Is there a possibility here that you meant to put "Attention Commando Players" in the subject line? Your issues would make far more sense if that were the case.
He basically wants Assault stats that make support roles obsolete.
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A link from past to future
The sheltering wings of the protector
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen
D3LTA FORC3
1193
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:40:00 -
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Mobius Wyvern wrote:He basically wants Assault stats that make support roles obsolete.
Well I didn't want to put words in his mouth. 
It's entirely possible he's just confused.
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Tectonic Fusion
661
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:41:00 -
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Grease Spillett wrote:I don't believe logis being nerfed is right but I fully believe assault's need to be powered up and heavies.
Dropships should be way cheaper along with every scout suit.
Also a scout buff ^^
But I don't think they should be less expensive because the work to make all the features takes money.
Solo Player
Squad status: Locked
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
1493
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:43:00 -
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gK.0
4 Enhanced Plates
3 Complex Damage
Militia Shield Recharger
Duvolle AR
M512-A SMG
C-7 Flux
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner
~1000 HP and still faster than a Logi.
(No Armor Reps yet, just waiting to decide between new rifle or Complex Plates and making RepLogis happy in the meantime.)
I hated my Assault gK.0 suits until a week or so ago.
Built this, been going buck when I get it out.
If I could fit more on there it'd be too precious to use. Ever.
Cheeseburgers.
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1099
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:45:00 -
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Heinrich Jagerblitzen wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. 1.) Define "Proper". You literally cannot put an item in each slot? Have you trained any fitting skills at all? I'm completely confused here. 2.) Why does an assault need to be "self efficient"? 3.) Is there a possibility here that you meant to put "Attention Commando Players" in the subject line? Your issues would make far more sense if that were the case.
1. Define proper role is explanatory by the word Assault. I want to be able to build a suit that can survive today's hostile environment, at the same time giving back to what the enemy is trying to do me, while I am on the front lines doing my job.
2. Why does an assault have to be self sufficient. Do you see any logi's around I sure as H*** do not. I have to bring my own ammo, my own rep hives, if I do not who else is going to do this. I have gone battle after battle and not one hive was dropped or uplink and I am desperately seeking ammo and someone to rep me, why? Because the enemy has destroyed all the supply depots and I have to hike all the way to the rear for resupplies
3. No Commandont is a different story. An assault needs to be able to do there job and that is frontal assault or any other form of combat that requires you to push for the objective while risking your life for the better of the team.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Roy Ventus
Foxhound Corporation
General Tso's Alliance
650
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:47:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
Are you trying to say self-sufficient? Assaults can't be self-sufficient. :< It sucks, I know but the best we should be able to do is throw down a cheap nanohive for replenishing ammo when we're all out. Other than that, Logistics are supposed to support us in those cases.
"There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all."
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:49:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:gK.0
4 Enhanced Plates
3 Complex Damage
Militia Shield Recharger
Duvolle AR
M512-A SMG
C-7 Flux
A-45 Quantum Active Scanner
~1000 HP and still faster than a Logi.
(No Armor Reps yet, just waiting to decide between new rifle or Complex Plates and making RepLogis happy in the meantime.)
I hated my Assault gK.0 suits until a week or so ago.
Built this, been going buck when I get it out.
If I could fit more on there it'd be too precious to use. Ever.
Problem you have to many items in your low slot. Do you mean that is your logi fit? Now I am going to log in and replicate your build be right back. Reserved for further input.
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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Michael Arck
Anubis Prime Syndicate
1998
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:51:00 -
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That's the truth. Earlier today I had to switch to being a logibro in a quick match before work. There were no uplinks, no nanohives, no repping, no nothing.
I was getting massive WPs because I was the only Logibro. That's terrible.
I think I shocked a heavy today when I just followed him around repping while he mowed down the reds. It's times like those that being a Logibro is good fun. |
calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:53:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Are you trying to say self-sufficient? Assaults can't be self-sufficient. :< It sucks, I know but the best we should be able to do is throw down a cheap nanohive for replenishing ammo when we're all out. Other than that, Logistics are supposed to support us in those cases.
I agree but I hate to say it but Logi's are in short supply. Now if your looking for a Slayer Logi, well there is plenty to go around and if you ask nicely they might share one of there hives with you
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
48
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:54:00 -
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ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:calvin b wrote:ELITE INQUISITOR wrote:If you really want to complain about cpu/pg problems then come to the scout side. Then you would see that the assault suit ain't so bad. :) I run scout as well and I do understand, but at the moment I am more dedicated to the assault. If the assault can be fixed I will use it solely and would give up all my other roles except my logi. I like to support my team with hives, uplinks, and rep tool. I can respect that. Just don't forget about the plight of the scouts. All we really have is speed. No real ehp, crap cpu/pg. And we can't even stay stealthy with certain scanners.
Forgot to add that scouts also have no specific role on the battle field.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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ELITE INQUISITOR
Eternal Beings
48
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Posted - 2013.12.07 05:58:00 -
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calvin b wrote:Roy Ventus wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Are you trying to say self-sufficient? Assaults can't be self-sufficient. :< It sucks, I know but the best we should be able to do is throw down a cheap nanohive for replenishing ammo when we're all out. Other than that, Logistics are supposed to support us in those cases. I agree but I hate to say it but Logi's are in short supply. Now if your looking for a Slayer Logi, well there is plenty to go around and if you ask nicely they might share one of there hives with you
It is hard to find a logi that is actually helpful. Most are slayer logis. Lucky for me that I squad up with true logis that are still efficient at killing. A good logo will be able to help a downed teamate and kill enemies.
If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
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Son-Of A-Gun
3dge of D4rkness
SoulWing Alliance
528
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:02:00 -
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calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement.
Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off.
{:)}{3GÇó>
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calvin b
Molon Labe.
RISE of LEGION
1100
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Posted - 2013.12.07 06:04:00 -
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Son-Of A-Gun wrote:calvin b wrote:I have tried and still cannot come up with a proper build without sacrificing something. We all know this and we know what the problem is, we need more POWER. All assault players need at least this much more
Basic 25 CPU 10 PG
Advance 75 CPU 50PG
Proto 100 CPU 75 PG
If an assault is going to be self efficient, we need the extra power to fit hives, scanners, and not have to sacrifice our weapon or our survivability. If you say add a CPU or PG module then WTF, I only have so many slots.
If you agree please post and if you do not please give a good counter statement. Your numbers are way off. Aside from being to much, CPU/PG distributive value is roughly 5/1. You're way off.
Ok what do you recommend?
F* the Snowflake
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TgKd3cdKdak
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