I have already acknowledged that by my initial statement that great players adapt. They do what they have to because no one else is willing to do it. Being the exception to the rule is something that you yourself make happening by stepping up.

i felt alot of anger though pointed at people who step up and win solo though.

I never get angry at anyone in this game, except for people who proto stomp in pub matches. If you can't kill me in your advanced gear, maybe you're not a good player. That's how I see it. Otherwise, if someone takes initiative I will never get angry with them. I respect that. If I end up in a match where it's just me against a full team, I won't leave. I'm crazy like that.

I mean I could come and kill someone in adv gear but that's boring, why shouldn't I use proto.... I use standard tanks, proto dropsuits and Scr are my luxury.

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Only in Dust would Logi trash mistake placing equipment on a ground, as attributes of a great player. The whole Slayer and Logi relationship is not a two way street. Slayers win games not Logis Fact. Logis just make the process smoother.

This has been proven so many times before that it is embarrassing that this topic is even brought up.

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Only in Dust would Logi trash mistake placing equipment on a ground, as attributes of a great player. The whole Slayer and Logi relationship is not a two way street. Slayers win games not Logis Fact. Logis just make the process smoother.

This has been proven so many times before that it is embarrassing that this topic is even brought up.

Okay. That's your right and you've earned it, but que sync with other people in proto then. At least you have somewhat of a challenge. Killing someone in basic or advanced gear and you're in your proto does not make you a good player.

The whole argument of different tier gear is getting old. Pub matches don't test your limits. PC matches are where you see what truly good players are made of where EVERYONE uses proto gear. If you don't you're not competing.

PC is where you see lag inducing uplink/equip spam
PC is where you see granade spam from hell
PC is where you see blatant abuse of glitches, exploits, mechanics, map design

PC is a test of how well you can milk the system

PC is a poor example

The worst enemies you could ever have in this game is your own blueberries

For those that can't handle it, I will show you where the kleenex is located.

most of my games end up in an "if i dont do it nobody else will" type of game

and i do it, and we win, does that make me a great player?

it usually IS me that decides weather my team wins or loses (within reason, im not equiped to solo an entire proto stomp squad)

for the record im primarily a demolitions logi (scanner and loads of remotes)

the most "logi-bro" type of thing i do is provide ammo, i drop it in spots that i can visit to use as well as anyone else whos with me defending or assaulting a base

if i dont defend it, we are probably going to lose it

if i dont attack it, nobody else is going to hack it

if i dont kill that tank... the blueberrys will just keep trying to ride it

if i dont grab a dropship and get the damn snipers / forge gunners off the roof nobody will...


i think thats why you see a prevelence of "logi-slayers" the good players somehow have to fullfill as many roles as possable with a single suit so that they can squeeze out a win in those types of situations. And alot of the time that means letting the blueberrys stay dead and not bothering with a repper since for some reason it fills your team with freshies and they have a grand total of like 150 armor.

the matchmaker seems to think me + team of academy graduates somehow balances out against a 6 man proto squad.

im flattered scotty i really am... but your expectations of me are too damn high

LOL. Slayers win the game every time right? The same way you guys won in the Squad Cup? Oh that's right, you lost. In case you forgot that battle, here's the video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cZUoeIHlf_g

As me being a "blueberry" (a player without a squad), I feel offended by that, because even though I don't need a squad, I get in the top 3 almost every match, getting 1k-3.6k WPs a match.

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P.S. Don't even get me started on uplinks. If no one drops uplinks, you'd have to walk from ground spawn or the MCC to the objective every time you die. That takes time and time is money. You lose.

As me being a "blueberry" (a player without a squad), I feel offended by that, because even though I don't need a squad, I get in the top 3 almost every match, getting 1k-3.6k WPs a match.

For those that can't handle it, I will show you where the kleenex is located.

As me being a "blueberry" (a player without a squad), I feel offended by that, because even though I don't need a squad, I get in the top 3 almost every match, getting 1k-3.6k WPs a match.

I see a some talk about "slayers" in this thread. Their has always been confusion what a slayer is.

A slayer is a role. They are the player who can get kills, who can win 90% of their gunfights. While you're hacking: the slayer covers you. When you're in trouble: the slayer saves you. When the enemy comes for an objective: the slayer defends it. When you need to take an objective: the slayer cleans it off.

Slayers aren't KDR whores. They often get the most kills, but every single kill they got counted towards something. They weren't killing an enemy that wasn't a threat to the battle plan. They were doing their job by killing for their team, while the other roles can work their role.

A slayer may take on the entire team by themselves, and stay alive as long as possible, getting kills: while the rest of his/her team is hacking, planting, moving, etc. When the entire team thinks they have to send the whole team out to kill one guy, or drop an Orbital on him; the slayer did his job.

I am a slayer. I focus on getting the kills my team needs. I don't focus on hacking, driving, planting uplinks, or being a medic. I am part of a machine. My Logi keeps my stocked and alive, and backs me up. My Scout gives me uplinks, hacks, and mosquito kills on the perimeter. My Tanker comes in and backs me up and gives my a ride out. My Pilot drops me into the killzone and takes me back out.


Everyone focuses around me, and I focus around everyone. I am part of the machine of war. I am part of the victory.

The role in the game that is most focused into war points specifically is the Logi. Slayers are like quarterbacks; they are on the offense. Whereas Logi's are the defense. The quarterback may be the one running out into the field but the defense keeps the quarterback running. Similarly, the logi keeps the slayer alive, allowing him to continue killing without interruption. Touchdown. The enemy MCC is no more.

After each match you are presented with the leaderboards, which is summed up by warpoints. Whoever has the most is at the top, regardless of your k/d.

WARPOINTS

INSTALLATIONS: 50 WP
INSTALLATION DESTRUCTION: 100 WP
INSTALLATION ASSIST: 25 WP
OBJECTIVE: 100 WP
OBJECTIVE ASSIST: 50 WP
REHACKING: 80 WP
TRIAGE: 25 WP PER
NANOHIVES/TEAM RESUPPLY: 10 WP PER
DROP UPLINKS: 25 PER
ACTIVE SCANNING/INTEL KILL ASSIST: 15 WP PER
REVIVE/NANITE INJECTOR: 60 WP
KILL: 50 WP
KILL ASSIST: 25 WP

The amount of warpoints you get may either increase or decrease based on whether or not you have the defend order on you or on a squad mate within your general area or if you have received a lower assist for hacking or whatnot.

The majority of all matches are not decided by clones. They are decided by who has had the objective or the majority of the objectives the longest... doing the most damage to the enemy MCC. The slayer's job is to keep the enemies off the objective, but slayer's cannot do what they do if they are dead. If no one hacks the objective and everyone just sits back and kills, the end result would be that your team loses the match.

The worst enemies you could ever have in this game is your own blueberries or teammates. Without your team to support you, whether you are a slayer or a Logi, you would die repeatedly. Don't even bother respawning. Imagine that it's just you. You have no team. No one will be there to hack the objective for you. No one will be there to keep you alive. You are solely responsible; whether you win or lose is on you. So, before anyone gets all high and mighty about how good they are you better think about who is supporting you, keeping you alive, and giving you the ammunition you need. What are you without your gun? You are dead.

Kills do not get orbitals and you can't kill the objective in order to destroy the MCC.

As far as I am concerned, every role is equally important as the other as long as you are doing your part.

The hard truth to it all is that we live in a world where not everyone does their part. There will be matches where your team is incompetent. You are a slayer, but you will have to hack the objective. I am a Logi, but I will have to kill. Stop bitching about what you have to do, because that's not going to get it done.

What makes a great player in a game is the same as what makes a great player in life. It's not about the cards you are dealt, it's how you play them.

P.S. Don't even get me started on uplinks. If no one drops uplinks, you'd have to walk from ground spawn or the MCC to the objective every time you die. That takes time and time is money. You lose.

i felt alot of anger though pointed at people who step up and win solo though.

i also have blueberry control level 5 trained.

i win games by manipulating my unwitting teamates to act in a way that suits me :P

I see a some talk about "slayers" in this thread. Their has always been confusion what a slayer is.

A slayer is a role. They are the player who can get kills, who can win 90% of their gunfights. While you're hacking: the slayer covers you. When you're in trouble: the slayer saves you. When the enemy comes for an objective: the slayer defends it. When you need to take an objective: the slayer cleans it off.

Slayers aren't KDR whores. They often get the most kills, but every single kill they got counted towards something. They weren't killing an enemy that wasn't a threat to the battle plan. They were doing their job by killing for their team, while the other roles can work their role.

A slayer may take on the entire team by themselves, and stay alive as long as possible, getting kills: while the rest of his/her team is hacking, planting, moving, etc. When the entire team thinks they have to send the whole team out to kill one guy, or drop an Orbital on him; the slayer did his job.

I am a slayer. I focus on getting the kills my team needs. I don't focus on hacking, driving, planting uplinks, or being a medic. I am part of a machine. My Logi keeps my stocked and alive, and backs me up. My Scout gives me uplinks, hacks, and mosquito kills on the perimeter. My Tanker comes in and backs me up and gives my a ride out. My Pilot drops me into the killzone and takes me back out.


Everyone focuses around me, and I focus around everyone. I am part of the machine of war. I am part of the victory.

Other than strategically placing uplinks, what sort of techniques do you use for this?

Its all about killing the enemy faster then they can respawn, everything else is a bonus ontop, you can hack the point 100 times, you can drop down 50 pieces of equipment, but if you do not have any killing power on the field, everyone is gonna be dead and redlined, period....

On most games where i solo, and i solo about 99.9% of the time it comes down to me, if i don't kill enough reds, my blues are going to be pushed of the point at such a speed, it makes a scout spin.

One moment, you walk trough 10 reds, kill em all, with a bunch of blueberries behind you, sure there might be a great logi in there, but a good player "does" not need a logi to babysit him, they will know and adapt to every changing situation, an average player when hit by a sniper, will look around in a daze of "Where is he ....where ..."and get sniped in the face by the second round...a good player will guess the trajectory and adjust angle to minimise exposure, a good player will know if it came within reach or out of reach without looking....

A good player will close in on a team of 6 and take them out one by one, using their greed for wanting a kill badly againt em, sure sometimes a logi or random blueberry will get inbetween and either save your *ss or he will get you killed by blocking one of your escape routes that you had planned before engaging.

then 30 seconds after you leave the point all secured up with at least 10 friendles on the point, supplies & logies at the ready, you push the enemy back, now if the enemy has gone around, your 10 friendlies are gonna eat the cake and die, leaving you with the WTF ....where did my blueberries go....and most of the time a Slayer went trough your berries and is now taking your point, no amount of logis or will be able to take back the point.

To get back to the "Without your team to support you, whether you are a slayer or a Logi, you would die repeatedly." part, this is a page taken out of the book written by below average players, they NEED a team to survive, they do not have the awereness to see enemies without scanners or 5 more sets of eyes, they also need to outnumber their enemy in order to put the beatdown on there enemies. Catch them solo and they don't even react to incomming fire, they just drop dead, right there and now...their only salvation is hoping a teamate can intervene and save their clone.

When good slayers players team up, the average players THINK they are using awesome teamwork + tactics out of the whazzoo to beat you, but the sad facts is they are laughing, talking about work, talking about some dent they made in their card on their way to work, there are no tactics going on, just raw unfiltered gungame and its litterally just running after something red to kill it....

or the better players leave the game because their on the losing side.