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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 01:37:00 -
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Which is more beneficial to your team?
The role in the game that is most focused into war points specifically is the Logi. Now we come to the next question: Who is more important? The Logi or the Slayer? Slayers are like quarterbacks; they are on the offense. Whereas Logi's are the defense. The quarterback may be the one running out into the field but the defense keeps the quarterback running. Similarly, the logi keeps the slayer alive, allowing him to continue killing without interruption. Touchdown. The enemy MCC is no more.
After each match you are presented with the leaderboards, which is summed up by warpoints. Whoever has the most is at the top, regardless of your k/d.
WARPOINTS
INSTALLATIONS: 50 WP
INSTALLATION DESTRUCTION: 100 WP
INSTALLATION ASSIST: 25 WP
OBJECTIVE: 100 WP
OBJECTIVE ASSIST: 50 WP
REHACKING: 80 WP
TRIAGE: 25 WP PER
NANOHIVES/TEAM RESUPPLY: 10 WP PER
DROP UPLINKS: 25 PER
ACTIVE SCANNING/INTEL KILL ASSIST: 15 WP PER
REVIVE/NANITE INJECTOR: 60 WP
KILL: 50 WP
KILL ASSIST: 25 WP
The amount of warpoints you get may either increase or decrease based on whether or not you have the defend order on you or on a squad mate within your general area or if you have received a lower assist for hacking or whatnot.
The majority of all matches are not decided by clones. They are decided by who has had the objective or the majority of the objectives the longest... doing the most damage to the enemy MCC. The slayer's job is to keep the enemies off the objective, but slayer's cannot do what they do if they are dead. If no one hacks the objective and everyone just sits back and kills, the end result would be that your team loses the match.
The worst enemies you could ever have in this game is your own blueberries or teammates. Without your team to support you, whether you are a slayer or a Logi, you would die repeatedly. Don't even bother respawning. Imagine that it's just you. You have no team. No one will be there to hack the objective for you. No one will be there to keep you alive. You are solely responsible; whether you win or lose is on you. So, before anyone gets all high and mighty about how good they are you better think about who is supporting you, keeping you alive, and giving you the ammunition you need. What are you without your gun? You are dead.
Kills do not get orbitals and you can't kill the objective in order to destroy the MCC.
As far as I am concerned, every role is equally important as the other as long as you are doing your part.
The hard truth to it all is that we live in a world where not everyone does their part. There will be matches where your team is incompetent. You are a slayer, but you will have to hack the objective. I am a Logi, but I will have to kill. Stop bitching about what you have to do, because that's not going to get it done.
What makes a great player in a game is the same as what makes a great player in life. It's not about the cards you are dealt, it's how you play them.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:05:00 -
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JL3Eleven wrote:The MAG community also wondered this question and set up some matches to find the answer.
It was the Slayers vs. the Circle Holders (hackers/medics)
Slayers win every time. Badly.
I am not saying that the Logi is better than the slayer. I am saying that one role cannot exist without the other. If it is a slayer going against a Logi, I'm sure said Slayer would win... every time. A Logi is built for support. If you really want to see who is better you would have a specific set of slayers against another group of slayers, each group with their own Logi. A team player is always more beneficial to the team. |
Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:10:00 -
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A great player is flexible. They adapt to their surroundings. They do what they have to regardless of the role they prefer. A great Logi can slay and a great slayer will forsake some kills in order to win the match. |
Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:42:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Ha Ha Ha Ha... Ha
Only in Dust would Logi trash mistake placing equipment on a ground, as attributes of a great player. The whole Slayer and Logi relationship is not a two way street. Slayers win games not Logis Fact. Logis just make the process smoother.
This has been proven so many times before that it is embarrassing that this topic is even brought up.
I'm not saying that what equals a great player is a Logi. I'm saying that all the people in this game who think they're great wouldn't win any matches without their team and squadmates supporting them. You are a slayer and you may be a great one at that, but you are dead without your gun. Without your weapon you are completely useless. You are out of ammo and cannot get to a supply depot; do you think those nanohives on the bridge just magically fell from the sky?
There are great logi's, great slayers, great scouts, etc, but a great PLAYER adapts. |
Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:48:00 -
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Darken-Sol wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Ha Ha Ha Ha... Ha
Only in Dust would Logi trash mistake placing equipment on a ground, as attributes of a great player. The whole Slayer and Logi relationship is not a two way street. Slayers win games not Logis Fact. Logis just make the process smoother.
This has been proven so many times before that it is embarrassing that this topic is even brought up. slayers 6 deep are more effective. Still they are supported. We all see what happens when 1 guy tries to win all by himself.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:09:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Ha Ha Ha Ha... Ha
Only in Dust would Logi trash mistake placing equipment on a ground, as attributes of a great player. The whole Slayer and Logi relationship is not a two way street. Slayers win games not Logis Fact. Logis just make the process smoother.
This has been proven so many times before that it is embarrassing that this topic is even brought up. I'm not saying that what equals a great player is a Logi. I'm saying that all the people in this game who think they're great wouldn't win any matches without their team and squadmates supporting them. You are a slayer and you may be a great one at that, but you are dead without your gun. Without your weapon you are completely useless. You are out of ammo and cannot get to a supply depot; do you think those nanohives on the bridge just magically fell from the sky? There are great logi's, great slayers, great scouts, etc, but a great PLAYER adapts. Nah this is ReGnYuM he has and does win games by himself... its appalling really....
I don't care. If that is in fact true, then he is the exception to the rule. The rule being that the majority of players will not win games just by themselves. And if you are in fact winning games just by yourself, don't spawn on uplinks or use nanohives at all. If you get revived or someone is scanning for you, you may as well quit the match since you don't want anyone's help. You also better have hacked the objective, because if someone else did that "you" are not winning the match all by yourself even if you defended it because you weren't the one who hacked the objective in the first place. Truth.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:19:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:True Adamance wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Ha Ha Ha Ha... Ha
Only in Dust would Logi trash mistake placing equipment on a ground, as attributes of a great player. The whole Slayer and Logi relationship is not a two way street. Slayers win games not Logis Fact. Logis just make the process smoother.
This has been proven so many times before that it is embarrassing that this topic is even brought up. I'm not saying that what equals a great player is a Logi. I'm saying that all the people in this game who think they're great wouldn't win any matches without their team and squadmates supporting them. You are a slayer and you may be a great one at that, but you are dead without your gun. Without your weapon you are completely useless. You are out of ammo and cannot get to a supply depot; do you think those nanohives on the bridge just magically fell from the sky? There are great logi's, great slayers, great scouts, etc, but a great PLAYER adapts. Nah this is ReGnYuM he has and does win games by himself... its appalling really.... I don't care. If that is in fact true, then he is the exception to the rule. The rule being that the majority of players will not win games just by themselves. And if you are in fact winning games just by yourself, don't spawn on uplinks or use nanohives at all. If you get revived or someone is scanning for you, you may as well quit the match since you don't want anyone's help. You also better have hacked the objective, because if someone else did that "you" are not winning the match all by yourself even if you defended it because you weren't the one who hacked the objective in the first place. Truth. You sound butthurt... take a minute to cry on my AR
Being butthurt would imply that I have been killed by you, which I haven't. I have never even heard of you until you replied to my post. And even if you did kill me, I wouldn't give a flying ****. Just saying. If you'd like to change that, feel free to get in a match against me. I'll congratulate you if and when you do. I'm not ignorant.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
17
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:38:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:True Adamance wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Ha Ha Ha Ha... Ha
Only in Dust would Logi trash mistake placing equipment on a ground, as attributes of a great player. The whole Slayer and Logi relationship is not a two way street. Slayers win games not Logis Fact. Logis just make the process smoother.
This has been proven so many times before that it is embarrassing that this topic is even brought up. I'm not saying that what equals a great player is a Logi. I'm saying that all the people in this game who think they're great wouldn't win any matches without their team and squadmates supporting them. You are a slayer and you may be a great one at that, but you are dead without your gun. Without your weapon you are completely useless. You are out of ammo and cannot get to a supply depot; do you think those nanohives on the bridge just magically fell from the sky? There are great logi's, great slayers, great scouts, etc, but a great PLAYER adapts. Nah this is ReGnYuM he has and does win games by himself... its appalling really.... I don't care. If that is in fact true, then he is the exception to the rule. The rule being that the majority of players will not win games just by themselves. And if you are in fact winning games just by yourself, don't spawn on uplinks or use nanohives at all. If you get revived or someone is scanning for you, you may as well quit the match since you don't want anyone's help. You also better have hacked the objective, because if someone else did that "you" are not winning the match all by yourself even if you defended it because you weren't the one who hacked the objective in the first place. Truth. no seriously, there are games when him/myself and others like us have actually HAD to do all that ourselves if we wanted or needed it for the game. it DOES happen, and a few can actually pull it off solo. your right though, it is an exception to the rule. but please awknowledge that quite frequantly there are players that literally HAVE to be an exception, and can manage to do so.
I have already acknowledged that by my initial statement that great players adapt. They do what they have to because no one else is willing to do it. Being the exception to the rule is something that you yourself make happening by stepping up.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:46:00 -
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Ghosts Chance wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:
I have already acknowledged that by my initial statement that great players adapt. They do what they have to because no one else is willing to do it. Being the exception to the rule is something that you yourself make happening by stepping up.
i felt alot of anger though pointed at people who step up and win solo though.
I never get angry at anyone in this game, except for people who proto stomp in pub matches. If you can't kill me in your advanced gear, maybe you're not a good player. That's how I see it. Otherwise, if someone takes initiative I will never get angry with them. I respect that. If I end up in a match where it's just me against a full team, I won't leave. I'm crazy like that.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
19
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:58:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:Ghosts Chance wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:
I have already acknowledged that by my initial statement that great players adapt. They do what they have to because no one else is willing to do it. Being the exception to the rule is something that you yourself make happening by stepping up.
i felt alot of anger though pointed at people who step up and win solo though. I never get angry at anyone in this game, except for people who proto stomp in pub matches. If you can't kill me in your advanced gear, maybe you're not a good player. That's how I see it. Otherwise, if someone takes initiative I will never get angry with them. I respect that. If I end up in a match where it's just me against a full team, I won't leave. I'm crazy like that. I mean I could come and kill someone in adv gear but that's boring, why shouldn't I use proto.... I use standard tanks, proto dropsuits and Scr are my luxury.
Okay. That's your right and you've earned it, but que sync with other people in proto then. At least you have somewhat of a challenge. Killing someone in basic or advanced gear and you're in your proto does not make you a good player.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 05:56:00 -
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Tectonic Fusion wrote:Natalie Herondale wrote:
The worst enemies you could ever have in this game is your own blueberries
As me being a "blueberry" (a player without a squad), I feel offended by that, because even though I don't need a squad, I get in the top 3 almost every match, getting 1k-3.6k WPs a match.
When I say blueberry I mean anyone that is doing nothing. If you are doing something, then we won't have a problem. But for those of you who think it's a good idea to just sit in the redline and snipe along with the rest of the team, I will revive you just so you can get shot again by the enemy sniper. For anyone that I know is only sniping because they have no other choice, I will revive you and block the shots as I repair your health. I did just this the other day. Funny thing is that the enemy sniper joined my squad the following match and said, "Oh. You were the one giving me all the kills." TEAMWORK! (Note sarcasm)
Also, when I call an LAV to go hack the objective and then go back to recall my vehicle and a blueberry is still in it just shooting randomly from my gunner and doesn't get out after 5 minutes of doing nothing... I tell him to get out of my car in the team chat. That was my warning. I drove my car into the redline and watched as it blew up with him in it. I'm a patient person... but if you revert to BSing on my time it will not end well for you. Again, if you are doing something I don't know why you would be offended. Don't take it personally.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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Natalie Herondale
0uter.Heaven
Proficiency V.
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Posted - 2013.12.03 09:13:00 -
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Rei Shepard wrote:
Its all about killing the enemy faster then they can respawn, everything else is a bonus ontop, you can hack the point 100 times, you can drop down 50 pieces of equipment, but if you do not have any killing power on the field, everyone is gonna be dead and redlined, period....
On most games where i solo, and i solo about 99.9% of the time it comes down to me, if i don't kill enough reds, my blues are going to be pushed of the point at such a speed, it makes a scout spin.
One moment, you walk trough 10 reds, kill em all, with a bunch of blueberries behind you, sure there might be a great logi in there, but a good player "does" not need a logi to babysit him, they will know and adapt to every changing situation, an average player when hit by a sniper, will look around in a daze of "Where is he ....where ..."and get sniped in the face by the second round...a good player will guess the trajectory and adjust angle to minimise exposure, a good player will know if it came within reach or out of reach without looking....
A good player will close in on a team of 6 and take them out one by one, using their greed for wanting a kill badly againt em, sure sometimes a logi or random blueberry will get inbetween and either save your *ss or he will get you killed by blocking one of your escape routes that you had planned before engaging.
then 30 seconds after you leave the point all secured up with at least 10 friendles on the point, supplies & logies at the ready, you push the enemy back, now if the enemy has gone around, your 10 friendlies are gonna eat the cake and die, leaving you with the WTF ....where did my blueberries go....and most of the time a Slayer went trough your berries and is now taking your point, no amount of logis or will be able to take back the point.
To get back to the "Without your team to support you, whether you are a slayer or a Logi, you would die repeatedly." part, this is a page taken out of the book written by below average players, they NEED a team to survive, they do not have the awereness to see enemies without scanners or 5 more sets of eyes, they also need to outnumber their enemy in order to put the beatdown on there enemies. Catch them solo and they don't even react to incomming fire, they just drop dead, right there and now...their only salvation is hoping a teamate can intervene and save their clone.
When good slayers players team up, the average players THINK they are using awesome teamwork + tactics out of the whazzoo to beat you, but the sad facts is they are laughing, talking about work, talking about some dent they made in their card on their way to work, there are no tactics going on, just raw unfiltered gungame and its litterally just running after something red to kill it....
I am not saying that one role is more important than the next. What I am saying is that however great of a slayer you are, you will eventually need support. There is no such thing as infinite ammunition on DUST. Proto doesn't do that. Slaying eats up your bullets. You will need ammunition at some point. The supply depot is either not in your vicinity or has been destroyed by an enemy forge gunner. The bottom-line is that one way or the other, you will eventually need what you lack due to your chosen role. A slayer's only objective is to kill and defend by doing so. You will eventually take damage and die. When people rep you, they prolong your inevitable death and keep you going so you can mow through more targets. No matter how good you are at this game you cannot give a lot of damage without taking a lot of damage. So, your argument is invalid. You may be laughing, but it's only after you're dead. Try seeing how many kills you get with 0 ammunition, no team re-supply, and no one to help you fend off an entire team. Let's be realistic, you and your 5 squadmates who are all slayers against a team of 16. You have no Logi's: you have no scans, you have no uplinks, you have no hives, and you have no reps. That is a match that you are going to lose hands down. What are you going to do? Melee the entire team?
P.S. Of course you need people killing on your team, I definitely did not say otherwise.
If you're going to be bad, be bad with a purpose.
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