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Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 70	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:16:00 - [1] - Quote Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Rogue Saint Science For Death 539	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:18:00 - [2] - Quote Been discussed, too many heavies QQ'd and said it was because they couldn't win with HMG/FG. Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. GôêGÆ+GÆ+GÆ¦ - Bringing the dakka [The whiny Scout]
Ridire Greine 193	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:19:00 - [3] - Quote I hate them. Damn scrubs..... My DUST Experience
shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 1057	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:20:00 - [4] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Been discussed, too many heavies QQ'd and said it was because they couldn't win with HMG/FG. Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. ^this "Just another piece of duct tape" Drugs for mercs
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 2027	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:20:00 - [5] - Quote I agree with no pre-defined roles for suits. People should experiment and come up with interesting new fits. That said, why would anybody want to run a slow suit with horrible passive scan and no equipment slot just to get a bit more defensive buffer? // Matari Warrior // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // @ReesNoturana
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 935	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:20:00 - [6] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Been discussed, too many heavies QQ'd and said it was because they couldn't win with HMG/FG. Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. i killed 40 people in a match yesterday adv hmg heavy..hmg does need a buff but it is viable with logi bro support
Terra Thesis HDYLTA Defiant Legacy 367	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:21:00 - [7] - Quote 90% of the time it's dumb, but sometimes you already know where the reds are, you don't have to waddle anywhere to reach them, you know you're not going to live long, and you just need a big gun and a lot of ehp. HDYLTA - Freedom Delivered
Daxxis KANNAH Distinct Covert Initiative 481	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:21:00 - [8] - Quote Commando
4447 Resolution XIII 889	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:22:00 - [9] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
trigonomics Subdreddit Test Alliance Please Ignore 150	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:24:00 - [10] - Quote I've been using a HMG/FG for 10 months. Sorry if it gets boring and I want to use a Scr or LR to switch it up every once in a while. Test signature, please ignore.

The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 1913	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:25:00 - [11] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Rogue Saint wrote: Been discussed, too many heavies QQ'd and said it was because they couldn't win with HMG/FG. Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. i killed 40 people in a match yesterday adv hmg heavy..hmg does need a buff but it is viable with logi bro support Sure thing but you probs woulda have gotten more kills if you woulda had wielded a AR instead. I shall show you a world, a world which you cant imagine, a world full off butthurt n00bs at the other end of my gun
Horizen Kenpachi Kenpachi's Castle 8	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:25:00 - [12] - Quote Hahaha hmg vs srambler hmmmmmm heavy magic goats vs fesible weapon il use the goat cannon as i love dieing. Use a a gun that works and can hold of protos never how stupid im leaving my hot girlfriend for a munter make sense not in bannans and sweetcorn Hit me with your nerf bat.
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 71	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:25:00 - [13] - Quote I think the problem is when you are in a heavy your turn speed is kinda slow right and the way the HMG fires is close to a laser with its pinpoint aim so it becomes almost impossible to keep hitting your target at really close range unless you are a really good shot. What we need is that circle from the HMG needs to deal damage everywhere inside it instead of on a smallest dot. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Ridire Greine 193	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:25:00 - [14] - Quote 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. I remember someone called 'Jack Boost', or something along those lines doing it in Chrome. My DUST Experience
Broonfondle Majikthies Bannana Boat Corp Relentless Heroes Alliance 541	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:27:00 - [15] - Quote My exclusive HMG heavy alt, with less than 2 mil sp is on k/dr 1.94 and climbing "...where Bylothgar the Ill-postured was made King of the People With No Name But Decent Footwear"
Sgt Buttscratch Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1067	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:30:00 - [16] - Quote I think its ****, heavies shouldn't be allowed to use light weapons, they do not have a "L" slot. BUT, until they have more weapons added and HMG is brought upto standard, I do not blame nor want them to stop using the light weapons. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 71	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:31:00 - [17] - Quote I have no problem with a heavy whom runs HMG 75% of the time and if he gets board and wants to throw on a shotgun or somthing to switch it up i understand, it's only when people run duvolle or SCR 100% of the time starts to make me wanna hunt them and cut off their head. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Bishop Harcourt K-A-O-S theory 9	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:34:00 - [18] - Quote used to be in a corp back in cromo with this this dude that rocked comp kin kats and cards(no plates) on a Proto heavy with a duvolle. He did quite well. Logibro, Director, Chief of Staff, Minister of Science and Magic
StoneSmasher Drugga Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:35:00 - [19] - Quote I use it on my commando. An AR and a Swarm launcher. I got tired of everytime I saw a vehicle I had no swarm launcher and everytime I had a swarm launcher there was no vehicles. So I thought I would be clever and run commando! I figured they would buff it eventually, then they nerfed my swarm launchers. :( There is no evil greater than hyperbole.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 7273	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:36:00 - [20] - Quote People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for tat heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?! Gû¦Gû+Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of the threads // Forum alt Gû¦Gû+

Sgt Buttscratch Mannar Focused Warfare Gallente Federation 1069	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:36:00 - [21] - Quote Personally I think that there should be heavy, medium, light, sidearm. Heavy being HMG/FG(and more when they add), medium being AR's, Scr, LR, light being snipers, shotguns, sidearms being sidearms. Don't like seeing a heavy with an AR, but also hate seeing scouts with em, almost a repulsive sight. I stick my weiner in two buns and and then give it the gas Sour cream from my spleen into Levi jeans
Dunk Mujunk RestlessSpirits 348	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:40:00 - [22] - Quote It's that damn base AMR/SHLD buff they got in 1.6. I'd say most of the "heavies" using light weapons right now aren't actually heavies, just people running the suit to take advantage of the buff. Plus, with the TTK plummeting after 1.6 hit, tons of assaults migrated to the heavy to do exactly what we are seeing. Run ARs, SCR, Shotguns, and SMGs on a heavy suit. Extremely annoying, but in all reality it's CCPs fault.
low genius The Sound Of Freedom Renegade Alliance 941	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:42:00 - [23] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. if the hmg had any benefit over the ar-class weapons, maybe the fat suit would use one.
Korvin Lomont United Pwnage Service RISE of LEGION 299	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:50:00 - [24] - Quote Honestly I believe that every suit should get a H weapon slot, just give heavies a great bonus to wielding heavy weapons or a penalty to the other suits when they wield a heavy weapon...as this is currently the only slot that has some sort of effective suit restriction. (I know grenade slot are suit restrictive as well but currently every suit can fi every grenade in game so this does not matter).
qctrollwood Quebec United 1	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:53:00 - [25] - Quote playing heavy is impossible with out a logi or its the end ....heavy= sht it what i think of my 24 million sp heavy im play better game with my assault c-1 covenant and a gek 38 with 371shield and 392 armor than my full proto heavy with 600 shield and 1145 of armor so what the *** i dont think heavy need to be buff but he need a bit of range BECAUSE HEAVY RUNNING WITH L IGHT ASSAULT RIFLE OR SCRAMBLER RIFLE IS LOOKING FOR RANGE and not anything else can a heavy confirm my talk
4447 Resolution XIII 889	Posted - 2013.12.02 15:54:00 - [26] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. I remember someone called 'Jack Boost', or something along those lines doing it in Chrome. Yea that's him, his still running the same set up. Troll, For lifeGÇª But maybe a dragon, uh a bigger dragon.
Thorn Badblood Dust2Dust. Top Men. 75	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:03:00 - [27] - Quote I run heavy, I don't use L weapons but if I did it would be for the range. D2D. A Non-Prophet Organization
Llast 326 An Arkhos 633	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:09:00 - [28] - Quote Thorn Badblood wrote: I run heavy, I don't use L weapons but if I did it would be for the range. Threw the question out to the Heavies awhile back, and I think that was the most prominent reason for it. CCP needs to get a med range weapon in the Heavy slot, and a Min heavy to make the HMG truly effective(and deal with the inaccurately accurate issue). I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 938	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:10:00 - [29] - Quote Terra Thesis wrote: 90% of the time it's dumb, but sometimes you already know where the reds are, you don't have to waddle anywhere to reach them, you know you're not going to live long, and you just need a big gun and a lot of ehp. wrong 1..i always know where the reds are because my logi carries scanners because he's smart.. 2 i dont waddle i run because i prefer a complex cardiac regulator to take up one of my low spots
DAMIOS82 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 57	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:13:00 - [30] - Quote In my opinion its called adapting to the current situation. The hmg is a heavy weapon, a minigun, its supposed to be devestating in its damage and yet over the last year with all of the QQ, its been so hard nerfed that it has become nothing more then a peashooter in comparison to other weapons, instead of the gun it was meant to be. Not to mention that instead of the hmg beeing the actuall heavy all damage weapon, the AR has become that instead. So when a proto assault with a duvolle rips thrue a 1000hp (3 plates) hvy in 2 seconds and yet the proto hvy with the boundless hmg takes nearly 5-8 seconds just to kill the assault (who's got no plates at all), then there is something seriously wrong. So we adapt and we use your own weapon against you. Afterall that is the name of the game; Win and get paid, lose and you may choose...QQ or adapt..

Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 73	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:15:00 - [31] - Quote Jack boost will be added to my watch list when the server comes back online. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 73	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:18:00 - [32] - Quote @ Damios82 Agreed but, This thread isn't only built to talk and vent about heavies holding light weaponry, its also showing how many people think something need to be done to that beautiful HMG that used to scare the hell outa me back in the day then heavies won't be shooting me from 70m Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8203	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:22:00 - [33] - Quote Amusingly, it was the first thing I ever did when I started playing back in May '12, and now, so much later, I'm right back where I started. I have equal amounts of SP in both ARs and HMGs. AR just wins out in most situations, it's more versatile, powerful, and friendly to solo play. Plus, with the AR, I have BPOs. Not so with HMGs Win / Vids / Stream
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 73	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:28:00 - [34] - Quote @ DustFiend yeah it makes more than sense to use a AR over a HMG unless you play like me and use hard weapons since i feel more accomplished like when you get a nova knife or RE kill. I just want CCP to see all these people who really enjoy the HMG but they can't even use it since everything else is "Better" Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Shadow Archeus OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 159	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:30:00 - [35] - Quote Mortedeamor wrote: Terra Thesis wrote: 90% of the time it's dumb, but sometimes you already know where the reds are, you don't have to waddle anywhere to reach them, you know you're not going to live long, and you just need a big gun and a lot of ehp. wrong 1..i always know where the reds are because my logi carries scanners because he's smart.. 2 i dont waddle i run because i prefer a complex cardiac regulator to take up one of my low spots I just run repairs on my suit.....enough to rep me quickly after I ambush people.....but if I have logi support he runs reps scanner and hives....and I just tank out my suit
StoneSmasher Drugga Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:30:00 - [36] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Honestly I believe that every suit should get a H weapon slot, just give heavies a great bonus to wielding heavy weapons or a penalty to the other suits when they wield a heavy weapon...as this is currently the only slot that has some sort of effective suit restriction. (I know grenade slot are suit restrictive as well but currently every suit can fi every grenade in game so this does not matter). Almost every. There is no evil greater than hyperbole.
ELITE INQUISITOR Eternal Beings 32	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:34:00 - [37] - Quote First off let me say I am a dedicated logo. I have friends that are heavy. The problems heavys have is ar/ and scr can destroy a heavy before they get in range to use an hmg. Not only that but the ar dominates at close range more than an hmg. Till they fix the hmg expect to see the heavys with ars and scr. If you accept your limitations you go beyond them
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 73	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:34:00 - [38] - Quote Korvin Lomont wrote: Honestly I believe that every suit should get a H weapon slot, just give heavies a great bonus to wielding heavy weapons or a penalty to the other suits when they wield a heavy weapon...as this is currently the only slot that has some sort of effective suit restriction. (I know grenade slot are suit restrictive as well but currently every suit can fi every grenade in game so this does not matter). A Scout Jumping around a corner with a HMG or forge gun....Hell NO Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Roy Ventus Foxhound Corporation General Tso's Alliance 616	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:37:00 - [39] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. From a tactical perception, it's pretty stupid. People can strafe the fudge outta you and you have a huge head that I can easily SMG-headshot while strafing. I can't be that mad though...Heavies are stuck with Forge Guns and HMGs but nothing that can match the versatility of the Rifles. Ultimately, being stuck with weapons that aren't that versatile hinder Heavies the most. Light Suits and Medium Suits have Shotguns, ARs, SRs, CRs, RRs, Sniper Rifles, Mass Drivers, and more that work with their designs. "There once was a time when there wasn't a Roy Ventus and it wasn't much of a time at all." Roy Ventus
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 154	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:37:00 - [40] - Quote They need to make more weapons for the heavy's even more so now with the other races getting their race based suits in the near future . Really ??? All races with a heavy class and just two weapons ???? People are talking like there is a choice . Most of you know this and much more and you still make threads like this one but some are saying that something needs to be done and the first thing is , don't condemn them because of this and support their cause in getting more balance being brought to their class . I believe that most here use a heavy suit in one form or another and this thread and some of the comments here make those who are doing so hypocrites , knowing what that class is about and has to go threw . Help to create a new weapon or weapons for that class and not some lamebrain ideal . Something that can actually be used so we can help get this ball rolling if there IS such a problem with this . Help to create a solution instead of creating or becoming part of the problem and the fact that , that class ONLY has two weapons is a problem . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!

Killar-12 The Corporate Raiders Top Men. 1827	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:43:00 - [41] - Quote Horizen Kenpachi wrote: Hahaha hmg vs srambler hmmmmmm heavy magic goats vs fesible weapon il use the goat cannon as i love dieing. Use a a gun that works and can hold of protos never how stupid im leaving my hot girlfriend for a munter make sense not in bannans and sweetcorn This is a blueberry look carefully into it's mind... Level 1 Forum Warrior I'm a bittervet, if I seem like a douche it's because of your stupidity
qctrollwood Quebec United 3	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:45:00 - [42] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: @ DustFiend yeah it makes more than sense to use a AR over a HMG unless you play like me and use hard weapons since i feel more accomplished like when you get a nova knife or RE kill. I just want CCP to see all these people who really enjoy the HMG but they can't even use it since everything else is "Better" he got the truth in his talk
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 76	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:46:00 - [43] - Quote Heavy Laser we need it RIGHT MEOW CCP so we can atleast have something that works while you fix the HMG Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kinsho Swords Caldari State 156	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:47:00 - [44] - Quote CCP can you create a Heavy Shotgun , Heavy Grenade Launcher made like a Mass Driver , Heavy Scrambler Rifle and a Heavy Rail Rifle . " BANE " of ALL vehicle users , Crush , Kill and Destroy ALL vehicles !!!!!
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 76	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:48:00 - [45] - Quote AND here comes the wave of GTFO with this dream of awsome weapons lol Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 181	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:49:00 - [46] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: People are still whining about it? GET OVER IT Light weapon slots can support sidearm slots, therefore it makes sense for that heavy weapon slots should be able to hold light weapon slots. "Bigger" slots can take in smaller weapons. The heavy suit itself is balanced by low sprint, low strafe, low stamina, no equipment slots, low scanning abilities, huge signature profile, and huge hitbox to counter the HP they have over medium frames; therefore, I don't see why they should only be limited to heavy weapons. You guys seriously want to limit heavy suits to 2 weapons?! It's because they are bad, they want to run up to a have face to face conflict and win. They can get the **** over it. Heavy weapons should be good enought that you would not want to "downgrade" from heavy to light, but as it sits FG is good and HMG is niche we will use whatever allows us to survive in the interim. It means every one of my shots needs to hit to stand a chance, though assaults/logis/scouts are dancing around, yet I am assured they have aiming easy as I am a slow moving massive target. We can't dodge, we have to use strategy and tactics to actually put that eHP to good use. If you think that heavies have such an advantage, maybe you should switch, and put your money where your mouth is.
DAMIOS82 A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 58	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:50:00 - [47] - Quote At Infamous Erich Well actually imo, the way it is now with the hmg at long distances is fine. If i fire at someone across the map, i know all i'm doing is taunting them and you know what that's fine, it makes me laugh and it wouldn't make sence for it to be able to fire 70m. But upclose one should fear it, perhaps not like in beta, but it should make you think twice about engaging them 1 on 1. Not like it is now, where i actually fear the assault and its nice that people understand the problem, but making threads about us fatty's and saying well that's not fair, well what did you expect, with all the QQ we where pushed into one corner, so all we can do is try and push a bit back. A yes Beta...the good old days, where you would go to bed having nightmares of indestructible tanks and Hvy's on a massacre spree...
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 85	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:50:00 - [48] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Watch this video: http://dust514.com/media/videos/fight-your-own-war/ Game working as intended. If people wanna run around using SMG's while in a Commando suit I don't care. I'll shoot at them just the same.
AP Grasshopper The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 31	Posted - 2013.12.02 16:59:00 - [49] - Quote until the HMG becomes on par with or stronger then assault rifles heavies will continue to use assault rifles, get over it.
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 77	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:01:00 - [50] - Quote @Jadd Yes watched that video and all i was thinking is, people wanna fight the way they want to right? well what if that's using a HMG cause it isn't the way it should be, it shoots like a damn laser!... bottem line is people shouldn't "have to" use light weapons with a heavy to do well the HMG should be all that and more. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris

Ghosts Chance Inf4m0us 308	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:01:00 - [51] - Quote i think its more a commentary on how bad the commando suit is more then anything else.
Mortedeamor WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 941	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:04:00 - [52] - Quote Shadow Archeus wrote: Mortedeamor wrote: Terra Thesis wrote: 90% of the time it's dumb, but sometimes you already know where the reds are, you don't have to waddle anywhere to reach them, you know you're not going to live long, and you just need a big gun and a lot of ehp. wrong 1..i always know where the reds are because my logi carries scanners because he's smart.. 2 i dont waddle i run because i prefer a complex cardiac regulator to take up one of my low spots I just run repairs on my suit.....enough to rep me quickly after I ambush people.....but if I have logi support he runs reps scanner and hives....and I just tank out my suit personally i prefer armor plates 1 cardiac reg and 2 x dmg mods
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 77	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:05:00 - [53] - Quote @ AP People like you have no good imput you should just remain in the shadows, its not about "getting over it" its about the hmg needs a buff im not even a heavy user and i can tell something needs to be done. It doesn't matter if you play in a basic heavy or proto heavy i will kill you the same speed unless you are a boss and stack amour plates and survive my RE. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
chase rowland The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 82	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:06:00 - [54] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Been discussed, too many heavies QQ'd and said it was because they couldn't win with HMG/FG. Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. try being a heavy. nuff said
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 201	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:08:00 - [55] - Quote Reav Hannari wrote: I agree with no pre-defined roles for suits. People should experiment and come up with interesting new fits. That said, why would anybody want to run a slow suit with horrible passive scan and no equipment slot just to get a bit more defensive buffer? I disagree, Pre-defined roles is a good thing, but should have more variety with that role so there will be no need for tier switching. . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 31 mill SP \__/ 514 \| NFP Prime League Winner\| Longest Kill 588 Mtr`
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 78	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:12:00 - [56] - Quote @ heavyenly I agree as i think this is why heavies are in this position if they had abit more of a diverse play style then people wouldn't QQ about the HMG since it wouldn't be their only weapon. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8203	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:15:00 - [57] - Quote I know people don't like that I kill them with an Exile or Duvolle while I'm waddling around in my heavy, but I'm here to drop a little knowledge on you. CCP wanted this. ::gasp:: It's true. Just look at the Commando. It is our other option as a Heavy, and it is CCP telling us, use light weapons, here is a suit dedicated to light weapons. So, we train light weapons. Then people are all like...wraaaar dem fady got ryflz yo OP! Win / Vids / Stream
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 78	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:18:00 - [58] - Quote @ DustFiend I never thought about that, heavies do have a choice to go commando.. or maybe it was just this voice inside my head telling me commando suits are complete garbage atleast imo. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
God Hates Lags Red Star. EoN. 481	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:23:00 - [59] - Quote I didn't think it was possible for so many bad ideas to fit into one normal sized thread. Doubles ISK
ER-Bullitt Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 617	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:25:00 - [60] - Quote Simply a testament to how un-balanced the weapons are in this game, AR stands head and shoulders above the rest (minus the ScR apparently) ... we have access to a freakin MINIGUN but we choose to either use the AR or reroll a new suit entirely. This was not so apparent before the latest hit detection fixes, but now that bullets actually land, auto aim is OP, AR514 is back stronger than ever.. Was this thread really necessary?

Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2092	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:27:00 - [61] - Quote If people dont like heavies with light weapons then you're REALLY not gonna like my commando suit LOL
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8204	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:28:00 - [62] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: @ DustFiend I never thought about that, heavies do have a choice to go commando.. or maybe it was just this voice inside my head telling me commando suits are complete garbage atleast imo. That voice isn't in your head, the lolmandon't actually summons an invisible entity when thought about, and it bombards you with negative thoughts related to the suit. It's horrible, and only the noblest of paladins seem capable of donning the armor for any length of time. Win / Vids / Stream
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 80	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:29:00 - [63] - Quote @God hates lags Guess it's easy to just point a finger and say you guys are dumb rather than give us an example of how smart you are. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 558	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:30:00 - [64] - Quote The only frame I've specced into is the heavy frame. I held on until the bitter end until I decided to spec into light weapons, and honestly I've had so much more fun playing since then it's amazing. Unless I have a logibro with his repper jammed up my ass you'll see me on the field with either a SCR or forge gun. There is simply no reason or incentives to use the most broken weapon in the game. Maybe once we get more weapon variants you'll see me use them again but until then I'll walk into battle with a smug grin because my SCR can out DPS almost anyone using an HMG. As far as pre-defined roles, what CCP needs to do is add drastic bonuses/penalties to each weapon and it's weapon class, making it feasible to equip other weapon types but losing a lot of CPU/PG, and if you fit a role the way it's supposed to get large bonuses so you can actually do what the frame was designed for. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2092	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:34:00 - [65] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: As far as pre-defined roles, what CCP needs to do is add drastic bonuses/penalties to each weapon and it's weapon class, making it feasible to equip other weapon types but losing a lot of CPU/PG, and if you fit a role the way it's supposed to get large bonuses so you can actually do what the frame was designed for. This is basically the opposite of how CCP builds games and should never be put into practice.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 87	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:36:00 - [66] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: @Jadd Yes watched that video and all i was thinking is, people wanna fight the way they want to right? well what if that's using a HMG cause it isn't the way it should be, it shoots like a damn laser!... bottem line is people shouldn't "have to" use light weapons with a heavy to do well the HMG should be all that and more. What you are looking for is what is termed as "spray and pray" in all other FPS games. In real life when you use an M134 mini-gun, it is not that "inaccurate" when used properly. But that is RL and this is a game. So while other games may make HMG's "spray" this game doesn't. The major complaints that most HMG users complain about stem from one of two major things: 1 - "Spray and Pray" attitude. They are used to "lazy mode" where they just point the gun in a direction and don't have to really aim. That won't work in this game. 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) Stop blaming the game for stuff that is just improperly ingrained behavior in the players. What works in other games doesn't work in this one. This game is as different to all other FPS's as EVE is different from all other MMO's. Pretend it's your first time ever with an FPS and relearn EVERYTHING and you will find that you do way better without some stupid per-conceived notions that you bring in from other FPSs.
qctrollwood Quebec United 3	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:41:00 - [67] - Quote i repeat could the real heavy slim shady plz stand up hmg is crap now no match with any weapon even militia gun
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8204	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:42:00 - [68] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) I can't believe I just read that. I'll give you one thing though Jadd Hatchen wrote: Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG Win / Vids / Stream
qctrollwood Quebec United 3	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:54:00 - [69] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) I can't believe I just read that. I'll give you one thing though Jadd Hatchen wrote: Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG lol nice one
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 81	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:57:00 - [70] - Quote Jadd is the type of guy whom eats smarties thinking he will become a genius. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris

Her Nibs Pradox One Proficiency V. 86	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:59:00 - [71] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. I have seen heavies with shotguns. But the best was the heavie with Nova knives....Really dude. Buy a smaller suit My passion for explosions is only preceded by my love for Canadian bacon, beer, and maple syrup
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 148	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:04:00 - [72] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: @Jadd Yes watched that video and all i was thinking is, people wanna fight the way they want to right? well what if that's using a HMG cause it isn't the way it should be, it shoots like a damn laser!... bottem line is people shouldn't "have to" use light weapons with a heavy to do well the HMG should be all that and more. What you are looking for is what is termed as "spray and pray" in all other FPS games. In real life when you use an M134 mini-gun, it is not that "inaccurate" when used properly. But that is RL and this is a game. So while other games may make HMG's "spray" this game doesn't. The major complaints that most HMG users complain about stem from one of two major things: 1 - "Spray and Pray" attitude. They are used to "lazy mode" where they just point the gun in a direction and don't have to really aim. That won't work in this game. 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) Stop blaming the game for stuff that is just improperly ingrained behavior in the players. What works in other games doesn't work in this one. This game is as different to all other FPS's as EVE is different from all other MMO's. Pretend it's your first time ever with an FPS and relearn EVERYTHING and you will find that you do way better without some stupid per-conceived notions that you bring in from other FPSs. 1.AA Ar/AA smg-seems to work fine(dust is spray and pray) 2.having to put a dot on your screen for the hmg to work....lol 3.Game would be different if other weapons were viable. 4.Its said that even heavies would rather use an Ar then a Hmg or fg 5.your right don't blame the game , blame ccp 6.Cod, bf4 and other shooters have a working variety of weapons that are competitively viable. Dust has Ar, Scr then a bunch of non competitive fun weapons. 7.This game had promise but it is worse than cod.That is very sad!
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 20	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:06:00 - [73] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Are you complaing cos you cant kill them? If so then you're the on thats dumb... People that complain ruins games thats the reason why Weapons & Suits get nerfed. So what if the Heavies are using light weapons Heavies are supposed to give Suppressing fire regardless if its a HMG or a Rifle, their frontline soldiers capable of handling anything.
ZEPZR Omega Elite Mercs INC. 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:15:00 - [74] - Quote Just to be fair, maybe we should be able to put HMGs on Assault suits then. Funny thing the other day, I saw a heavy with a shotgun.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 183	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:21:00 - [75] - Quote ZEPZR wrote: Just to be fair, maybe we should be able to put HMGs on Assault suits then. Funny thing the other day, I saw a heavy with a shotgun. That doesn't really add up. The point of the heavy suit is having the Capability to equip heavy weapons. It's not a byproduct of the suit, it is the purpose of the suit. With that said if we want to downgrade there is no reason we shouldn't be able to. The real problem is that we shouldn't have to or want to, to be viable.
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 558	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:22:00 - [76] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: MassiveNine wrote: As far as pre-defined roles, what CCP needs to do is add drastic bonuses/penalties to each weapon and it's weapon class, making it feasible to equip other weapon types but losing a lot of CPU/PG, and if you fit a role the way it's supposed to get large bonuses so you can actually do what the frame was designed for. This is basically the opposite of how CCP builds games and should never be put into practice. TBH, this entire game is opposite of how CCP builds things. That said, I'm not saying that specifically should be done, I'm just coming up with ideas of how to possibly remedy the "problem." If you have something better by all means lets hear it. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 84	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:24:00 - [77] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Are you complaing cos you cant kill them? If so then you're the on thats dumb... People that complain ruins games thats the reason why Weapons & Suits get nerfed. So what if the Heavies are using light weapons Heavies are supposed to give Suppressing fire regardless if its a HMG or a Rifle, their frontline soldiers capable of handling anything. You should take time to re read the thread and think about what you wrote. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 390	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:25:00 - [78] - Quote it is pretty scrubby, but is also pretty fun.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 266	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:37:00 - [79] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. ? Don't you remember one of those videos showing you a heavy with a sniper, and various other fits. It's your merc, fit him however you like. Heavy with a scrambler rifle, sniper, whatever. I like my heavy with a scrambler rifle, may trade out for a higher eHp but you are an easy target, due to the extremely slow movement. It's all about your playstyle, some like it fast, some like it slow. I don't see it as dumb, as it was one of the things CCP hyped on! Nuff Said
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 494	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:46:00 - [80] - Quote honestly im sick of seeing every1 running around with heavy suits and light weapons. id like to just make the heavy weapon slot heavy weapon only. that should cut their excessive use down some. or re introduce the lavs death bumper. so ppl would be going for speed instead of heavy suits. the fashion trend currently has the be the worst/most annoying fashion trend to be seen in game. although i dont think these ideas would pass. im just tired of watching both entire teams run heavy suits for the entire match. i dont have enough ammo for that.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2414	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:27:00 - [81] - Quote Templar Sentinel Templar Scrambler Rifle Toxin SMG Damage Mod Armour Reps Thank you and goodnight. No.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5692	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:44:00 - [82] - Quote 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2414	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:46:00 - [83] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? That's the one. Hated that fecker. No.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 299	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:48:00 - [84] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Templar Sentinel Templar Scrambler Rifle Toxin SMG Damage Mod Armour Reps Thank you and goodnight. swap the smg for templar ScP and you have one of my fits xD How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5692	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:48:00 - [85] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? That's the one. Hated that fecker. I saw him with a TAR in his heavy suit a couple of months ago, so I think he's still around. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
GRUNT 78 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:08:00 - [86] - Quote I reckon Im gonna keel u now Mmm-Hmm! Can a hvy do ANYTHING without ya'll QQing about it. Moreover,do ya'll realize your only complaining about the hvy/ar NOW bcuz you complained about hvy/hmg THEN (past). What your seeing NOW is by your OWN MAKING!! All u COD boys destroyed this game with BS FEEDBACK in this sorry excuse of a "forum page" THIS DAMN GAME IS DYING ANYWAY THE PS4 SAID SO,,,,,,SO THIS WHOLE FREAKIN SUBJECT IS MOOT,,,PFFT..
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 91	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:13:00 - [87] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: 1.AA Ar/AA smg-seems to work fine(dust is spray and pray) 2.having to put a dot on your screen for the hmg to work....lol 3.Game would be different if other weapons were viable. 4.Its said that even heavies would rather use an Ar then a Hmg or fg 5.your right don't blame the game , blame ccp 6.Cod, bf4 and other shooters have a working variety of weapons that are competitively viable. Dust has Ar, Scr then a bunch of non competitive fun weapons. 7.This game had promise but it is worse than cod.That is very sad! 1 - I stand corrected, some weapons in DUST can be more spray and pray than others, however the HMG is NOT one of those. 2 - Hey, combat helicopter pilots in AH-1 Cobras used the grease pencil method starting back in Vietnam and continued to do so until they got phased out by the army. If it works, it works. 3 - All the weapons ARE viable, the way YOU are trying to use them is NOT viable. There are countless videos out on YouTube where people demonstrate that the "oddball" weapons do in fact work when in the hands of someone who knows how to use them properly. Just because a newb to the game cannot just pick up a plasma cannon and start one shotting people, doesn't mean that it's not a viable weapon. It means that they either don't have the right play style for it, or they just need to learn to use it right. 4 - Whether someone uses one weapon or another is totally their CHOICE. I originally thought the starting scrambler pistol was a POS until someone showed me how to use it to own people. I originally found the mass driver to be very difficult to target, until I used it for a week straight and got the hang of it to where I could one shot guys at over 50 meters out in the open. After watching Ghazbaran (one of the guys featured in the dev blogs) use the plasma cannon, it makes me wanna skill it up and try it out. Everything is perfectly useful in the right hands in the right situations. 5 - No I'm still blaming you for not having patience or willingness to adapt, change, overcome, and conquer. 6 - I already said this is not those other FPSs and as such is a completely new game where each weapon has a different niche than in those games. 7 - Whether it is better or worse than some other game is an objective opinion that will vary from player to player. You may like how COD works, I like how DUST works. That's makes me different from you.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 22	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:15:00 - [88] - Quote Noob with entry level skills following the suggested core skill upgrade path isn't going to have weaponry five for a couple of months minimum. Until then when you are getting scanned hundred times a match (once very five seconds) and your highest dampener fit out still only denies a portion of those scans you might as well ditch any expensive hide and seek suits and go cheap and cheerful. Often in those same games you will have a tank or two supporting the stompers, that along with a couple of heavy snipers will either camp an objective or a spawn from the redline. So I can drop the match and leave the weight lifters in the MCC and the Logi's supplying their mate in the home base and either redline counter snipe or take an outfit that fits the scenario. I'm getting scanned no matter what, I'm going to die and I can't play as an archetype because noobs don't have the SP to do so even if they wanted. So we play MLT heavy, assault rifle and try and take down a stomper before they scurry back to cover. You want KDR, I want to see ISK ratios. My ten 10k suits for your one 100k suits would be encouragement to a lot of noobs. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
CharCharOdell 1717	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:19:00 - [89] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Been discussed, too many heavies QQ'd and said it was because they couldn't win with HMG/FG. Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. EHP doesn't mean anything. Its the difference between surviving 1 second or 2 (700hp v 1400). It doesn't make anyone better. Only in tiny corridors is the classic heavy useful. A heavy with an HMG will lose to a scout with an AR most of the time because the scout only has to outrange the heavy. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 20	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:25:00 - [90] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Are you complaing cos you cant kill them? If so then you're the on thats dumb... People that complain ruins games thats the reason why Weapons & Suits get nerfed. So what if the Heavies are using light weapons Heavies are supposed to give Suppressing fire regardless if its a HMG or a Rifle, their frontline soldiers capable of handling anything. You should take time to re read the thread and think about what you wrote. Dont need to cos he shown his opinion basically saying "Its dumb for Heavies to use Light Weapons", plus if he gave a good explanation why Heavies shouldn't use light weapons then i'll consider his opinion valid. But this whole Heavy should't use light weapons is pretty stupid.

Oxskull Duncarino Shadow Company HQ 265	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:27:00 - [91] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Chunky Munkey wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? That's the one. Hated that fecker. I saw him with a TAR in his heavy suit a couple of months ago, so I think he's still around. Yeh, he's still about. Haha, it was him that made me have a heavy AR combo ready for whenever I went up against him as his AR always bet my HMG but when I matched him I've come out on top more than enough times As to the whole conversation on whether heavies should be able to use light weapons I'm very much in the camp of they should be. Now fair enough, since I'm a heavy I'm a bit biased, but as others have pointed out they are so many drawbacks to suit I really don't see the issue with it. Dust has a nice bit of flexibility to it through all the classes, with no one stuck purely to a set role. Obviously scouts can't do anything with their suits to resemble a heavy, and the same vica versa, although stacked complex kats on a sentinel have had medium suits think otherwise Mediums have the best of options being able to scout or tank, but miss qualities that other suits have. Heavy weapons being limited to heavies is an possible issue that could be changed, but the fact that heavies have no equipment slot balances it in my view. And yep, if I'm big enough to handle a heavy weapon, then I should be able to use a light. To those idiots that are mouthing off about players that use the heavy suit AR combo as being no skill scrubs, etc., try it yourselves. It's not easy to use regardless of skill. Yeh the eHP might look good on paper, but you'll get shredded fast even with skill. For some of us tubbies, it's just using options while still getting the benefit of the suits we've spent SP on. And those that just use the militia or the basic due to the eHP, let them off as they are fairly easy targets to deal with.
Happy Violentime L0ST PR0FITS 144	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:54:00 - [92] - Quote Roy Ventus wrote: From a tactical perception, it's pretty stupid. People can strafe the fudge outta you and you have a huge head that I can easily SMG-headshot while strafing. Alternatively, it's not stupid at all when: the heavy has more armour tank than you, can put dmg mods in it's high slots, fit a duvolle and have a logi running behind it with a pro to repper - fairly invincible in the right hands if you're in front of it skinweave/militia heavy, most tank, cheap fit
Mobius Wyvern Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 3951	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:03:00 - [93] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. I've played Heavy only once, and that was back in the E3 build to play with the Forge Gun. Heavy suits being able to use light weapons is not and never will be an issue. Dying to an AR wielded by a Heavy suit does not mean that they are OP or have some kind of unfair advantage. Last I checked, they can't pull a Gallogi and go leaping through the air spitting death like Jason Statham. Deal with it. Amidst the blue skies A link from past to future The sheltering wings of the protector
Kira Lannister Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 2024	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:44:00 - [94] - Quote I used to run the breach assault rifle when it was beast with the type 2 heavy. It was a monster to say the least. >:] "The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire." Book of Exiles 1:3
Farsund Solheim The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 19	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:45:00 - [95] - Quote Used to run Heavy with Laser Rifle, damage mods and armor plates back in chromo when Laser Logi was the Fit of the Month. Helped me stand toe to toe and win. Worked great. In fact, i bet it still would. LR's seem to terrify people...
Lance 2ballzStrong SyNergy Gaming EoN. 4542	Posted - 2013.12.02 22:53:00 - [96] - Quote People crying about heavies using ARs now? Is this a joke? STFU! If the HMG was worth a damn then maybe it'll be a viable weapon over the AR... no? Too much logic? Yea that might be it... ( ._.) <('.'<) "There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
OliX PRZESMIEWCA Legion of Eden Covert Intervention 1	Posted - 2013.12.02 23:16:00 - [97] - Quote I don't care if they going to die holding ar or hmg I don't have problem that they are using light weapons. It's just the way they adapt. HMG is useful on wider areas. Even an assault one. There are some areas on Domination or Skirmish that good hmg is almost unstoppable. Few places are not enough. No one will spend all time in same point waiting for enemy wich is pushed back to redline. Other thing is that there are only 2 heavy weapon types. Hmg user will almost always need assistance, light weapon heavy can play solo. Good Luck with hunting Jack. You will need it...
SickJ sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 116	Posted - 2013.12.02 23:37:00 - [98] - Quote Lance 2ballzStrong wrote: People crying about heavies using ARs now? Is this a joke? STFU! If the HMG was worth a damn then maybe it'll be a viable weapon over the AR... no? Too much logic? Yea that might be it... Next they'll be QQing about heavies having more HP.
negative49er Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 363	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:15:00 - [99] - Quote it boring using the same suit while using the same forge gun and hmg One day my shotgun will run out ammo 1.7 is the day if I fight or i give up
Hyuan BubblePOP Uber Wanabes 6	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:45:00 - [100] - Quote hmg is really lame now, i said it before when uprising 1.0 came out heavies are going to be ditching the hmg for AR and brink tank, and them medium users are going to QQ when that happens, i ditched the hmg for shotgun, gonna wait until 1.7 is out and decide which rifle i want to dump my sp into.

Solitar Greywatch D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:52:00 - [101] - Quote I on the other hand was thinking about specing into a heavy sentinel with my advanced scrambler but I'm just a noob aren't I.
Cpl Foster USMC Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 325	Posted - 2013.12.03 00:58:00 - [102] - Quote I'm logging on right now, 7:56pm East Coast USA, and I'm puttin' knives and go-fasters on a Heavy suit.... and I'm not gonna stop till I stab somebody..... I don't care who wins...I'm just here for the killin'...
Solitar Greywatch D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 3	Posted - 2013.12.03 01:20:00 - [103] - Quote Your heavy can't stop and won't stop until you stab a mercenary. He has feeling too you know.
KEROSIINI-TERO The Rainbow Effect 891	Posted - 2013.12.03 02:12:00 - [104] - Quote I find it funny how people complain that certain group can have the same weapon as them, rather than complaining that group has something the complainers don't. Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance? The fix:
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2678	Posted - 2013.12.03 02:18:00 - [105] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. WHAT MUCH EHP? Heavies dont want to leave their suits and since their HMG is so BAD thave Opted to ue Light weapons. Its not like Science for Death dudes DONT Squad-Proto Stomp for Minmatar FW with 900+ EHP logis/Assaults. Talk about double standards.... Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
Oswald Rehnquist 755	Posted - 2013.12.03 02:24:00 - [106] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: I hate them. Damn scrubs..... Auto/Semi Rifle users? Below 28 dB
I-Shayz-I I-----I 1516	Posted - 2013.12.03 02:44:00 - [107] - Quote Light weapons are bad for heavies because they run out of ammo quickly (besides the std scrambler) So...unless they have a supply depot nearby, they have to rely on support in order to run light weapons. HMGs are better for solo play, but heavies should always have the option to use a light weapon. Links: List of Most Important Threads I make logistics videos!
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8210	Posted - 2013.12.03 02:46:00 - [108] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Light weapons are bad for heavies because they run out of ammo quickly (besides the std scrambler) So...unless they have a supply depot nearby, they have to rely on support in order to run light weapons. HMGs are better for solo play, but heavies should always have the option to use a light weapon. I find that I run into ammo often enough, it's the HMG that's terrible for solo play because you basically have to rely on your logis and other guys giving you support fire, otherwise you're just a fat waddling pinata that everyone likes to hit ISK / Vids / Stream
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2678	Posted - 2013.12.03 02:48:00 - [109] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: Light weapons are bad for heavies because they run out of ammo quickly (besides the std scrambler) So...unless they have a supply depot nearby, they have to rely on support in order to run light weapons. HMGs are better for solo play, but heavies should always have the option to use a light weapon. Not really. I do have a Heavy A/1 Series to troll people with 2 Shield Energizers and 2 Cx Armor repairers. I use the Breach AR that thing lasts forever XD Support SCOUTS : https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=124408&find=unread
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 149	Posted - 2013.12.03 03:14:00 - [110] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Tek Hound wrote: 1.AA Ar/AA smg-seems to work fine(dust is spray and pray) 2.having to put a dot on your screen for the hmg to work....lol 3.Game would be different if other weapons were viable. 4.Its said that even heavies would rather use an Ar then a Hmg or fg 5.your right don't blame the game , blame ccp 6.Cod, bf4 and other shooters have a working variety of weapons that are competitively viable. Dust has Ar, Scr then a bunch of non competitive fun weapons. 7.This game had promise but it is worse than cod.That is very sad! 1 - I stand corrected, some weapons in DUST can be more spray and pray than others, however the HMG is NOT one of those. 2 - Hey, combat helicopter pilots in AH-1 Cobras used the grease pencil method starting back in Vietnam and continued to do so until they got phased out by the army. If it works, it works. 3 - All the weapons ARE viable, the way YOU are trying to use them is NOT viable. There are countless videos out on YouTube where people demonstrate that the "oddball" weapons do in fact work when in the hands of someone who knows how to use them properly. Just because a newb to the game cannot just pick up a plasma cannon and start one shotting people, doesn't mean that it's not a viable weapon. It means that they either don't have the right play style for it, or they just need to learn to use it right. 4 - Whether someone uses one weapon or another is totally their CHOICE. I originally thought the starting scrambler pistol was a POS until someone showed me how to use it to own people. I originally found the mass driver to be very difficult to target, until I used it for a week straight and got the hang of it to where I could one shot guys at over 50 meters out in the open. After watching Ghazbaran (one of the guys featured in the dev blogs) use the plasma cannon, it makes me wanna skill it up and try it out. Everything is perfectly useful in the right hands in the right situations. 5 - No I'm still blaming you for not having patience or willingness to adapt, change, overcome, and conquer. 6 - I already said this is not those other FPSs and as such is a completely new game where each weapon has a different niche than in those games. 7 - Whether it is better or worse than some other game is an objective opinion that will vary from player to player. You may like how COD works, I like how DUST works. That's makes me different from you. 3.working and being competitive are two different things.where are the 40-4 plc games or massdriver etc? 4.There choice because it is the only competitive weapons now. 5.How much more patience?Do you mean wait the 10years for dusts fps part to catch up to bf4? 6.yes new game going into their direction.The only problem with niche weapons is when one weapon beats all the niche in their niche.No point in niche weapons when AA And an Ar still is better. 7.Whether you like a game or not dust fails with balance.CCp isn't making the first ever fps.Copy and past would have done better.



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