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Oxskull Duncarino
Shadow Company HQ
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Posted - 2013.12.02 21:27:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Chunky Munkey wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:4447 wrote:Infamous Erich wrote:Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? That's the one. Hated that fecker. I saw him with a TAR in his heavy suit a couple of months ago, so I think he's still around. Yeh, he's still about. Haha, it was him that made me have a heavy AR combo ready for whenever I went up against him as his AR always bet my HMG but when I matched him I've come out on top more than enough times
As to the whole conversation on whether heavies should be able to use light weapons I'm very much in the camp of they should be. Now fair enough, since I'm a heavy I'm a bit biased, but as others have pointed out they are so many drawbacks to suit I really don't see the issue with it.
Dust has a nice bit of flexibility to it through all the classes, with no one stuck purely to a set role. Obviously scouts can't do anything with their suits to resemble a heavy, and the same vica versa, although stacked complex kats on a sentinel have had medium suits think otherwise Mediums have the best of options being able to scout or tank, but miss qualities that other suits have.
Heavy weapons being limited to heavies is an possible issue that could be changed, but the fact that heavies have no equipment slot balances it in my view. And yep, if I'm big enough to handle a heavy weapon, then I should be able to use a light.
To those idiots that are mouthing off about players that use the heavy suit AR combo as being no skill scrubs, etc., try it yourselves. It's not easy to use regardless of skill. Yeh the eHP might look good on paper, but you'll get shredded fast even with skill. For some of us tubbies, it's just using options while still getting the benefit of the suits we've spent SP on. And those that just use the militia or the basic due to the eHP, let them off as they are fairly easy targets to deal with. |
Happy Violentime
L0ST PR0FITS
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Posted - 2013.12.02 21:54:00 -
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Roy Ventus wrote:From a tactical perception, it's pretty stupid. People can strafe the fudge outta you and you have a huge head that I can easily SMG-headshot while strafing.
Alternatively, it's not stupid at all when:
- the heavy has more armour tank than you, can put dmg mods in it's high slots, fit a duvolle and have a logi running behind it with a pro to repper - fairly invincible in the right hands if you're in front of it
- skinweave/militia heavy, most tank, cheap fit
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Mobius Wyvern
Guardian Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY
3951
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:03:00 -
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Infamous Erich wrote:Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. I've played Heavy only once, and that was back in the E3 build to play with the Forge Gun.
Heavy suits being able to use light weapons is not and never will be an issue. Dying to an AR wielded by a Heavy suit does not mean that they are OP or have some kind of unfair advantage. Last I checked, they can't pull a Gallogi and go leaping through the air spitting death like Jason Statham.
Deal with it.
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Kira Lannister
Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance
2024
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:44:00 -
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I used to run the breach assault rifle when it was beast with the type 2 heavy.
It was a monster to say the least. >:]
"The Ancient Templars will guard fearlessly the people, the land and the heavens of the empire."
Book of Exiles 1:3
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Farsund Solheim
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY
19
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:45:00 -
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Used to run Heavy with Laser Rifle, damage mods and armor plates back in chromo when Laser Logi was the Fit of the Month. Helped me stand toe to toe and win. Worked great. In fact, i bet it still would. LR's seem to terrify people... |
Lance 2ballzStrong
SyNergy Gaming EoN.
4542
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Posted - 2013.12.02 22:53:00 -
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People crying about heavies using ARs now? Is this a joke? STFU!
If the HMG was worth a damn then maybe it'll be a viable weapon over the AR... no? Too much logic? Yea that might be it...
( ._.) <('.'<)
"There there Mr. Heavy, it's not your fault CCP doesn't care about you"
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OliX PRZESMIEWCA
Legion of Eden Covert Intervention
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:16:00 -
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I don't care if they going to die holding ar or hmg I don't have problem that they are using light weapons. It's just the way they adapt. HMG is useful on wider areas. Even an assault one. There are some areas on Domination or Skirmish that good hmg is almost unstoppable. Few places are not enough. No one will spend all time in same point waiting for enemy wich is pushed back to redline. Other thing is that there are only 2 heavy weapon types. Hmg user will almost always need assistance, light weapon heavy can play solo.
Good Luck with hunting Jack. You will need it... |
SickJ
sephiroth clones D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.02 23:37:00 -
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Lance 2ballzStrong wrote:People crying about heavies using ARs now? Is this a joke? STFU!
If the HMG was worth a damn then maybe it'll be a viable weapon over the AR... no? Too much logic? Yea that might be it... Next they'll be QQing about heavies having more HP. |
negative49er
Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic
363
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:15:00 -
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it boring using the same suit while using the same forge gun and hmg
One day my shotgun will run out ammo
1.7 is the day if I fight or i give up
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Hyuan BubblePOP
Uber Wanabes
6
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:45:00 -
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hmg is really lame now, i said it before when uprising 1.0 came out heavies are going to be ditching the hmg for AR and brink tank, and them medium users are going to QQ when that happens, i ditched the hmg for shotgun, gonna wait until 1.7 is out and decide which rifle i want to dump my sp into. |
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Solitar Greywatch
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
3
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:52:00 -
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I on the other hand was thinking about specing into a heavy sentinel with my advanced scrambler but I'm just a noob aren't I. |
Cpl Foster USMC
Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic
325
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Posted - 2013.12.03 00:58:00 -
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I'm logging on right now, 7:56pm East Coast USA, and I'm puttin' knives and go-fasters on a Heavy suit....
and I'm not gonna stop till I stab somebody.....
I don't care who wins...I'm just here for the killin'...
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Solitar Greywatch
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2013.12.03 01:20:00 -
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Your heavy can't stop and won't stop until you stab a mercenary. He has feeling too you know. |
KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
891
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:12:00 -
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I find it funny how people complain that certain group can have the same weapon as them, rather than complaining that group has something the complainers don't.
Feeling the scanner is too simple and off balance?
The fix:
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
2678
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:18:00 -
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Rogue Saint wrote:
Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard.
WHAT MUCH EHP? Heavies dont want to leave their suits and since their HMG is so BAD thave Opted to ue Light weapons.
Its not like Science for Death dudes DONT Squad-Proto Stomp for Minmatar FW with 900+ EHP logis/Assaults. Talk about double standards....
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Oswald Rehnquist
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:24:00 -
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Ridire Greine wrote:I hate them.
Damn scrubs.....
Auto/Semi Rifle users?
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I-Shayz-I
I-----I
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:44:00 -
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Light weapons are bad for heavies because they run out of ammo quickly (besides the std scrambler)
So...unless they have a supply depot nearby, they have to rely on support in order to run light weapons. HMGs are better for solo play, but heavies should always have the option to use a light weapon.
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DUST Fiend
OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention
8210
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:46:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Light weapons are bad for heavies because they run out of ammo quickly (besides the std scrambler)
So...unless they have a supply depot nearby, they have to rely on support in order to run light weapons. HMGs are better for solo play, but heavies should always have the option to use a light weapon.
I find that I run into ammo often enough, it's the HMG that's terrible for solo play because you basically have to rely on your logis and other guys giving you support fire, otherwise you're just a fat waddling pinata that everyone likes to hit
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KING CHECKMATE
AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS
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Posted - 2013.12.03 02:48:00 -
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I-Shayz-I wrote:Light weapons are bad for heavies because they run out of ammo quickly (besides the std scrambler)
So...unless they have a supply depot nearby, they have to rely on support in order to run light weapons. HMGs are better for solo play, but heavies should always have the option to use a light weapon.
Not really. I do have a Heavy A/1 Series to troll people with 2 Shield Energizers and 2 Cx Armor repairers. I use the Breach AR that thing lasts forever XD
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Tek Hound
Death In Xcess Corporation
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Posted - 2013.12.03 03:14:00 -
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Jadd Hatchen wrote:Tek Hound wrote:1.AA Ar/AA smg-seems to work fine(dust is spray and pray) 2.having to put a dot on your screen for the hmg to work....lol 3.Game would be different if other weapons were viable. 4.Its said that even heavies would rather use an Ar then a Hmg or fg 5.your right don't blame the game , blame ccp 6.Cod, bf4 and other shooters have a working variety of weapons that are competitively viable. Dust has Ar, Scr then a bunch of non competitive fun weapons. 7.This game had promise but it is worse than cod.That is very sad! 1 - I stand corrected, some weapons in DUST can be more spray and pray than others, however the HMG is NOT one of those. 2 - Hey, combat helicopter pilots in AH-1 Cobras used the grease pencil method starting back in Vietnam and continued to do so until they got phased out by the army. If it works, it works. 3 - All the weapons ARE viable, the way YOU are trying to use them is NOT viable. There are countless videos out on YouTube where people demonstrate that the "oddball" weapons do in fact work when in the hands of someone who knows how to use them properly. Just because a newb to the game cannot just pick up a plasma cannon and start one shotting people, doesn't mean that it's not a viable weapon. It means that they either don't have the right play style for it, or they just need to learn to use it right. 4 - Whether someone uses one weapon or another is totally their CHOICE. I originally thought the starting scrambler pistol was a POS until someone showed me how to use it to own people. I originally found the mass driver to be very difficult to target, until I used it for a week straight and got the hang of it to where I could one shot guys at over 50 meters out in the open. After watching Ghazbaran (one of the guys featured in the dev blogs) use the plasma cannon, it makes me wanna skill it up and try it out. Everything is perfectly useful in the right hands in the right situations. 5 - No I'm still blaming you for not having patience or willingness to adapt, change, overcome, and conquer. 6 - I already said this is not those other FPSs and as such is a completely new game where each weapon has a different niche than in those games. 7 - Whether it is better or worse than some other game is an objective opinion that will vary from player to player. You may like how COD works, I like how DUST works. That's makes me different from you.
3.working and being competitive are two different things.where are the 40-4 plc games or massdriver etc? 4.There choice because it is the only competitive weapons now. 5.How much more patience?Do you mean wait the 10years for dusts fps part to catch up to bf4? 6.yes new game going into their direction.The only problem with niche weapons is when one weapon beats all the niche in their niche.No point in niche weapons when AA And an Ar still is better. 7.Whether you like a game or not dust fails with balance.CCp isn't making the first ever fps.Copy and past would have done better. |
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