DUST Search - Fat guys holding light weapons?

Jadd Hatchen wrote:

Infamous Erich wrote:

@Jadd

Yes watched that video and all i was thinking is, people wanna fight the way they want to right? well what if that's using a HMG cause it isn't the way it should be, it shoots like a damn laser!... bottem line is people shouldn't "have to" use light weapons with a heavy to do well the HMG should be all that and more.

What you are looking for is what is termed as "spray and pray" in all other FPS games. In real life when you use an M134 mini-gun, it is not that "inaccurate" when used properly. But that is RL and this is a game. So while other games may make HMG's "spray" this game doesn't. The major complaints that most HMG users complain about stem from one of two major things:

1 - "Spray and Pray" attitude. They are used to "lazy mode" where they just point the gun in a direction and don't have to really aim. That won't work in this game.

2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.)

Stop blaming the game for stuff that is just improperly ingrained behavior in the players. What works in other games doesn't work in this one. This game is as different to all other FPS's as EVE is different from all other MMO's. Pretend it's your first time ever with an FPS and relearn EVERYTHING and you will find that you do way better without some stupid per-conceived notions that you bring in from other FPSs.

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Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2092	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:27:00 - [61] - Quote If people dont like heavies with light weapons then you're REALLY not gonna like my commando suit LOL
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8204	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:28:00 - [62] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: @ DustFiend I never thought about that, heavies do have a choice to go commando.. or maybe it was just this voice inside my head telling me commando suits are complete garbage atleast imo. That voice isn't in your head, the lolmandon't actually summons an invisible entity when thought about, and it bombards you with negative thoughts related to the suit. It's horrible, and only the noblest of paladins seem capable of donning the armor for any length of time. Win / Vids / Stream
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 80	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:29:00 - [63] - Quote @God hates lags Guess it's easy to just point a finger and say you guys are dumb rather than give us an example of how smart you are. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 558	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:30:00 - [64] - Quote The only frame I've specced into is the heavy frame. I held on until the bitter end until I decided to spec into light weapons, and honestly I've had so much more fun playing since then it's amazing. Unless I have a logibro with his repper jammed up my ass you'll see me on the field with either a SCR or forge gun. There is simply no reason or incentives to use the most broken weapon in the game. Maybe once we get more weapon variants you'll see me use them again but until then I'll walk into battle with a smug grin because my SCR can out DPS almost anyone using an HMG. As far as pre-defined roles, what CCP needs to do is add drastic bonuses/penalties to each weapon and it's weapon class, making it feasible to equip other weapon types but losing a lot of CPU/PG, and if you fit a role the way it's supposed to get large bonuses so you can actually do what the frame was designed for. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Lurchasaurus SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2092	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:34:00 - [65] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: As far as pre-defined roles, what CCP needs to do is add drastic bonuses/penalties to each weapon and it's weapon class, making it feasible to equip other weapon types but losing a lot of CPU/PG, and if you fit a role the way it's supposed to get large bonuses so you can actually do what the frame was designed for. This is basically the opposite of how CCP builds games and should never be put into practice.
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 87	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:36:00 - [66] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: @Jadd Yes watched that video and all i was thinking is, people wanna fight the way they want to right? well what if that's using a HMG cause it isn't the way it should be, it shoots like a damn laser!... bottem line is people shouldn't "have to" use light weapons with a heavy to do well the HMG should be all that and more. What you are looking for is what is termed as "spray and pray" in all other FPS games. In real life when you use an M134 mini-gun, it is not that "inaccurate" when used properly. But that is RL and this is a game. So while other games may make HMG's "spray" this game doesn't. The major complaints that most HMG users complain about stem from one of two major things: 1 - "Spray and Pray" attitude. They are used to "lazy mode" where they just point the gun in a direction and don't have to really aim. That won't work in this game. 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) Stop blaming the game for stuff that is just improperly ingrained behavior in the players. What works in other games doesn't work in this one. This game is as different to all other FPS's as EVE is different from all other MMO's. Pretend it's your first time ever with an FPS and relearn EVERYTHING and you will find that you do way better without some stupid per-conceived notions that you bring in from other FPSs.
qctrollwood Quebec United 3	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:41:00 - [67] - Quote i repeat could the real heavy slim shady plz stand up hmg is crap now no match with any weapon even militia gun
DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8204	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:42:00 - [68] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) I can't believe I just read that. I'll give you one thing though Jadd Hatchen wrote: Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG Win / Vids / Stream
qctrollwood Quebec United 3	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:54:00 - [69] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Jadd Hatchen wrote: 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) I can't believe I just read that. I'll give you one thing though Jadd Hatchen wrote: Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG lol nice one
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 81	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:57:00 - [70] - Quote Jadd is the type of guy whom eats smarties thinking he will become a genius. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris

Her Nibs Pradox One Proficiency V. 86	Posted - 2013.12.02 17:59:00 - [71] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. I have seen heavies with shotguns. But the best was the heavie with Nova knives....Really dude. Buy a smaller suit My passion for explosions is only preceded by my love for Canadian bacon, beer, and maple syrup
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 148	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:04:00 - [72] - Quote Jadd Hatchen wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: @Jadd Yes watched that video and all i was thinking is, people wanna fight the way they want to right? well what if that's using a HMG cause it isn't the way it should be, it shoots like a damn laser!... bottem line is people shouldn't "have to" use light weapons with a heavy to do well the HMG should be all that and more. What you are looking for is what is termed as "spray and pray" in all other FPS games. In real life when you use an M134 mini-gun, it is not that "inaccurate" when used properly. But that is RL and this is a game. So while other games may make HMG's "spray" this game doesn't. The major complaints that most HMG users complain about stem from one of two major things: 1 - "Spray and Pray" attitude. They are used to "lazy mode" where they just point the gun in a direction and don't have to really aim. That won't work in this game. 2 - Using the lame circle reticule that comes with the HMG. Here's a pro-tip for everyone that uses an HMG... pull out an SMG, then place a piece of clear tape on your TV where that dot is at, then use a marker to place a dot where that SMG dot is at. Now switch to your HMG... WALLLA! Magically you now have a new and improved aiming dot for your HMG. You will now find that you hit and kill 90% of time. (NOTE: Instead of using tape and marker you can accomplish the same with a grease pencil.) Stop blaming the game for stuff that is just improperly ingrained behavior in the players. What works in other games doesn't work in this one. This game is as different to all other FPS's as EVE is different from all other MMO's. Pretend it's your first time ever with an FPS and relearn EVERYTHING and you will find that you do way better without some stupid per-conceived notions that you bring in from other FPSs. 1.AA Ar/AA smg-seems to work fine(dust is spray and pray) 2.having to put a dot on your screen for the hmg to work....lol 3.Game would be different if other weapons were viable. 4.Its said that even heavies would rather use an Ar then a Hmg or fg 5.your right don't blame the game , blame ccp 6.Cod, bf4 and other shooters have a working variety of weapons that are competitively viable. Dust has Ar, Scr then a bunch of non competitive fun weapons. 7.This game had promise but it is worse than cod.That is very sad!
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 20	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:06:00 - [73] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Are you complaing cos you cant kill them? If so then you're the on thats dumb... People that complain ruins games thats the reason why Weapons & Suits get nerfed. So what if the Heavies are using light weapons Heavies are supposed to give Suppressing fire regardless if its a HMG or a Rifle, their frontline soldiers capable of handling anything.
ZEPZR Omega Elite Mercs INC. 0	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:15:00 - [74] - Quote Just to be fair, maybe we should be able to put HMGs on Assault suits then. Funny thing the other day, I saw a heavy with a shotgun.
Slag Emberforge Immortal Retribution 183	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:21:00 - [75] - Quote ZEPZR wrote: Just to be fair, maybe we should be able to put HMGs on Assault suits then. Funny thing the other day, I saw a heavy with a shotgun. That doesn't really add up. The point of the heavy suit is having the Capability to equip heavy weapons. It's not a byproduct of the suit, it is the purpose of the suit. With that said if we want to downgrade there is no reason we shouldn't be able to. The real problem is that we shouldn't have to or want to, to be viable.
MassiveNine 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 558	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:22:00 - [76] - Quote Lurchasaurus wrote: MassiveNine wrote: As far as pre-defined roles, what CCP needs to do is add drastic bonuses/penalties to each weapon and it's weapon class, making it feasible to equip other weapon types but losing a lot of CPU/PG, and if you fit a role the way it's supposed to get large bonuses so you can actually do what the frame was designed for. This is basically the opposite of how CCP builds games and should never be put into practice. TBH, this entire game is opposite of how CCP builds things. That said, I'm not saying that specifically should be done, I'm just coming up with ideas of how to possibly remedy the "problem." If you have something better by all means lets hear it. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
Infamous Erich Inf4m0us 84	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:24:00 - [77] - Quote ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Are you complaing cos you cant kill them? If so then you're the on thats dumb... People that complain ruins games thats the reason why Weapons & Suits get nerfed. So what if the Heavies are using light weapons Heavies are supposed to give Suppressing fire regardless if its a HMG or a Rifle, their frontline soldiers capable of handling anything. You should take time to re read the thread and think about what you wrote. Closed Beta Vet Shield Tank Vet Bring back my Sagaris
CrotchGrab 360 Commando Perkone Caldari State 390	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:25:00 - [78] - Quote it is pretty scrubby, but is also pretty fun.
Tebu Gan Dem Durrty Boyz Renegade Alliance 266	Posted - 2013.12.02 18:37:00 - [79] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. ? Don't you remember one of those videos showing you a heavy with a sniper, and various other fits. It's your merc, fit him however you like. Heavy with a scrambler rifle, sniper, whatever. I like my heavy with a scrambler rifle, may trade out for a higher eHp but you are an easy target, due to the extremely slow movement. It's all about your playstyle, some like it fast, some like it slow. I don't see it as dumb, as it was one of the things CCP hyped on! Nuff Said
CLONE117 planetary retaliation organisation 494	Posted - 2013.12.02 19:46:00 - [80] - Quote honestly im sick of seeing every1 running around with heavy suits and light weapons. id like to just make the heavy weapon slot heavy weapon only. that should cut their excessive use down some. or re introduce the lavs death bumper. so ppl would be going for speed instead of heavy suits. the fashion trend currently has the be the worst/most annoying fashion trend to be seen in game. although i dont think these ideas would pass. im just tired of watching both entire teams run heavy suits for the entire match. i dont have enough ammo for that.

Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2414	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:27:00 - [81] - Quote Templar Sentinel Templar Scrambler Rifle Toxin SMG Damage Mod Armour Reps Thank you and goodnight. No.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5692	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:44:00 - [82] - Quote 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
Chunky Munkey Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2414	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:46:00 - [83] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? That's the one. Hated that fecker. No.
Vitharr Foebane Blood Money Mercenaries 299	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:48:00 - [84] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Templar Sentinel Templar Scrambler Rifle Toxin SMG Damage Mod Armour Reps Thank you and goodnight. swap the smg for templar ScP and you have one of my fits xD How to make a Heavy Laser: 1.Take laser 2.Make it REALLY BIG 3.Give it to the heavy sobbing quietly in the corner.
Arkena Wyrnspire Turalyon 514 Turalyon Alliance 5692	Posted - 2013.12.02 20:48:00 - [85] - Quote Chunky Munkey wrote: Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: 4447 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. There's the godfather of this style of play, His played this style since beta , forgot his name though. Jack Boost? That's the one. Hated that fecker. I saw him with a TAR in his heavy suit a couple of months ago, so I think he's still around. Level 5 Forum Warrior Lenin of the glorious armoured revolution Supporter of CCP raRaRa.
GRUNT 78 Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 19	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:08:00 - [86] - Quote I reckon Im gonna keel u now Mmm-Hmm! Can a hvy do ANYTHING without ya'll QQing about it. Moreover,do ya'll realize your only complaining about the hvy/ar NOW bcuz you complained about hvy/hmg THEN (past). What your seeing NOW is by your OWN MAKING!! All u COD boys destroyed this game with BS FEEDBACK in this sorry excuse of a "forum page" THIS DAMN GAME IS DYING ANYWAY THE PS4 SAID SO,,,,,,SO THIS WHOLE FREAKIN SUBJECT IS MOOT,,,PFFT..
Jadd Hatchen Psygod9 D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 91	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:13:00 - [87] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: 1.AA Ar/AA smg-seems to work fine(dust is spray and pray) 2.having to put a dot on your screen for the hmg to work....lol 3.Game would be different if other weapons were viable. 4.Its said that even heavies would rather use an Ar then a Hmg or fg 5.your right don't blame the game , blame ccp 6.Cod, bf4 and other shooters have a working variety of weapons that are competitively viable. Dust has Ar, Scr then a bunch of non competitive fun weapons. 7.This game had promise but it is worse than cod.That is very sad! 1 - I stand corrected, some weapons in DUST can be more spray and pray than others, however the HMG is NOT one of those. 2 - Hey, combat helicopter pilots in AH-1 Cobras used the grease pencil method starting back in Vietnam and continued to do so until they got phased out by the army. If it works, it works. 3 - All the weapons ARE viable, the way YOU are trying to use them is NOT viable. There are countless videos out on YouTube where people demonstrate that the "oddball" weapons do in fact work when in the hands of someone who knows how to use them properly. Just because a newb to the game cannot just pick up a plasma cannon and start one shotting people, doesn't mean that it's not a viable weapon. It means that they either don't have the right play style for it, or they just need to learn to use it right. 4 - Whether someone uses one weapon or another is totally their CHOICE. I originally thought the starting scrambler pistol was a POS until someone showed me how to use it to own people. I originally found the mass driver to be very difficult to target, until I used it for a week straight and got the hang of it to where I could one shot guys at over 50 meters out in the open. After watching Ghazbaran (one of the guys featured in the dev blogs) use the plasma cannon, it makes me wanna skill it up and try it out. Everything is perfectly useful in the right hands in the right situations. 5 - No I'm still blaming you for not having patience or willingness to adapt, change, overcome, and conquer. 6 - I already said this is not those other FPSs and as such is a completely new game where each weapon has a different niche than in those games. 7 - Whether it is better or worse than some other game is an objective opinion that will vary from player to player. You may like how COD works, I like how DUST works. That's makes me different from you.
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 22	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:15:00 - [88] - Quote Noob with entry level skills following the suggested core skill upgrade path isn't going to have weaponry five for a couple of months minimum. Until then when you are getting scanned hundred times a match (once very five seconds) and your highest dampener fit out still only denies a portion of those scans you might as well ditch any expensive hide and seek suits and go cheap and cheerful. Often in those same games you will have a tank or two supporting the stompers, that along with a couple of heavy snipers will either camp an objective or a spawn from the redline. So I can drop the match and leave the weight lifters in the MCC and the Logi's supplying their mate in the home base and either redline counter snipe or take an outfit that fits the scenario. I'm getting scanned no matter what, I'm going to die and I can't play as an archetype because noobs don't have the SP to do so even if they wanted. So we play MLT heavy, assault rifle and try and take down a stomper before they scurry back to cover. You want KDR, I want to see ISK ratios. My ten 10k suits for your one 100k suits would be encouragement to a lot of noobs. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
CharCharOdell 1717	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:19:00 - [89] - Quote Rogue Saint wrote: Been discussed, too many heavies QQ'd and said it was because they couldn't win with HMG/FG. Personally, and as I said before, if anyone needs that much EHP to be competitive they must suck hard. EHP doesn't mean anything. Its the difference between surviving 1 second or 2 (700hp v 1400). It doesn't make anyone better. Only in tiny corridors is the classic heavy useful. A heavy with an HMG will lose to a scout with an AR most of the time because the scout only has to outrange the heavy. Gùñ-é-º+¼+ò+¦GÖÑ+ú+ú+¡ GÖÑ'Ðe+ü+üGùÑ Gùú -ä>-üð+++Ç++§<-¡<-¡ Gùó Speaker of the Mangrove / King of QQ / Co-Founder of the Learning Coalition
ThePlayerkyle13 PlayerArmy Industries 20	Posted - 2013.12.02 21:25:00 - [90] - Quote Infamous Erich wrote: ThePlayerkyle13 wrote: Infamous Erich wrote: Just curious on what everyone thinks about running into a heavy holding a duvolle or a SCR cause i think its just dumb. Are you complaing cos you cant kill them? If so then you're the on thats dumb... People that complain ruins games thats the reason why Weapons & Suits get nerfed. So what if the Heavies are using light weapons Heavies are supposed to give Suppressing fire regardless if its a HMG or a Rifle, their frontline soldiers capable of handling anything. You should take time to re read the thread and think about what you wrote. Dont need to cos he shown his opinion basically saying "Its dumb for Heavies to use Light Weapons", plus if he gave a good explanation why Heavies shouldn't use light weapons then i'll consider his opinion valid. But this whole Heavy should't use light weapons is pretty stupid.



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