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Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1561	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:43:00 - [1] - Quote I'm considering Profile Dampening and I noticeded that a single Complex Dampener, along the passive skill, is enough to avoid ADV Scanners on a Medium Suit. That's actually pretty good and I'm seriously considering this possiblity. So the question is: How many Prototype Scanners would I meet on the battlefield? I use the A-45 all the time, I would never pay that much PG and CPU just to detect such a minority of players. But I don't know what other people do. Is it a good idea, in your opinion? Thanks! -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
CHICAGOCUBS4EVER TeamPlayers 2223	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:47:00 - [2] - Quote ppl gotta be stupid to run proto scanners cause adv picks up 95% of all players. so few people in this game have a clue about dampeners, and 98% of the other half just don't care or cant justify the 932k SP investment. all I know is when I die, no one is getting an 'intel kill assist' on my fat ass Common Sense and *Logic* are 2 things you have to forget when posting on these forums.
KingBabar The Rainbow Effect 1430	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:51:00 - [3] - Quote As "the original scanner" I'd say that the A45 is good enough for pub games. It will not detect some of the stealthy scouts (Like Ruozo), but the proto skanner will detect them. This is a minor issue, unless you have a big problem dying to a sneaky scout every 50th game or so. The big advantage With the proto scanner IMO is the longer tag time, not the better DB detection. The Duvolle Quantum scanner will in theory put them for 25 sec on the minimap, not the theoretical 16 Seconds of the A45. In short, when using the proto scanner you save some Seconds here and there if you want to keep the enemy team constantly lit up. For me, this is a good enough reason to use the proto, at least on proto suits, I probably wouldn't use it on an enhanced suit, I dunno, haven't really used an enhanced suit since, well, can't really remember. http://s1286.photobucket.com/user/KingBabar/media/BannerKingbabarcopy.png.html
Maken Tosch DUST University Ivy League 5350	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:51:00 - [4] - Quote Based on my combat experience as a dedicated scout who specializes in stealth, I would say there are not that many proto scanners out there. Often times the enemy will only need an advanced scanner since most of the players are running in tanked up suits to account for the amazing hit detection and aim assist which makes it really easy to hit any target (thus a low TTK). CCP, thank you for hotfixing the knives. But please make sure they're at their full potential in 1.7.
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 214	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:52:00 - [5] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I'm considering Profile Dampening and I noticeded that a single Complex Dampener, along the passive skill, is enough to avoid ADV Scanners on a Medium Suit. That's actually pretty good and I'm seriously considering this possiblity. So the question is: How many Prototype Scanners would I meet on the battlefield? I use the A-45 all the time, I would never pay that much PG and CPU just to detect such a minority of players. But I don't know what other people do. Is it a good idea, in your opinion? Thanks! Not that many when I am playing Dust, a few corp squads are using the proto scanner in pub matches, not enough to make me put on more dampening modules, more like a hint of dangerous wasp nest close by, I better keep my distance. I could use dampening on my scout but use the message as a warning, this is a serous threat when a squad have the proto scanner available. Usually means skilled players which it is healthy to keep away from. It will change when more and more are adding dampeners to beat the advanced scanner, that will force squads to use the proto scanner instead.
knight of 6 SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 699	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:58:00 - [6] - Quote in pubs? not very common. I get scanned like 3 times a month in my scout and it's usually from pub stomping morons. "God favors the side with the best artillery" ~ Napoleon Ko6, scout, tanker. CLOSED BETA VET
Jaysyn Larrisen OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 346	Posted - 2013.11.27 14:58:00 - [7] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: ppl gotta be stupid to run proto scanners cause adv picks up 95% of all players. so few people in this game have a clue about dampeners, and 98% of the other half just don't care or cant justify the 932k SP investment. all I know is when I die, no one is getting an 'intel kill assist' on my fat ass Werd. Anybody that gripes about scanners hasn't looked into dampeners.
Melchiah ARANeAE The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 375	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:10:00 - [8] - Quote The only people that use proto scanners in pubs are the organised proto stompers like Nyain San squads. Anyone else would use the A-45 scanner. 'Insert witty signature here'
Stefan Stahl Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 361	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:10:00 - [9] - Quote I'm the author of this thread and my experience from a couple of days worth of matches is that there are next to no prototype scanners in public matches. You should consider that a complex dampener consumes less fitting resources than a prototype scanner does. If you have the support skills to compensate the loss of a low slot with additional complex level mods then you have a sound investment right there.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 442	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:16:00 - [10] - Quote I find the A-45 scanner to be more useful than the Duvolle Quantum because you can refresh your scans more quickly, so if you get a bad scan, you don't have as long to wait until you can scan again. I'd say when scans are being used by the enemy, 90% are Advanced only, 9% are Duvolle Quantums, and 1% are Duvolle Focused.

Llast 326 An Arkhos 584	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:25:00 - [11] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I'm considering Profile Dampening and I noticeded that a single Complex Dampener, along the passive skill, is enough to avoid ADV Scanners on a Medium Suit. That's actually pretty good and I'm seriously considering this possiblity. So the question is: How many Prototype Scanners would I meet on the battlefield? I use the A-45 all the time, I would never pay that much PG and CPU just to detect such a minority of players. But I don't know what other people do. Is it a good idea, in your opinion? Thanks! I run scout at under 28db all the time, so I can't say if there are a lot of proto scanners out there or not. I know i don't run into the 15db scanner very often. This tells me that not many people are specifically looking for the low profile folks and are more often looking for the basic intel. I applaud your desire to try this out a variation in suit load out and encourage you to do it. I often wonder about the effectiveness of a stealth square with different suits beyond the (extremely effective) scout squad. I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Jebus McKing Molon Labe. RISE of LEGION 182	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:27:00 - [12] - Quote As someone who uses at least one complex dampener on each of my fittings I can say I rarely get scanned in pub matches and I did not regret spending all the SP for dampening yet. @JebusMcKing // Rifle stats comparison spreadsheet. ò_Ô
Reav Hannari Red Rock Outriders 1974	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:44:00 - [13] - Quote I fit to counter advanced scanners and I have literally only been scanned once. // Logistics / Scout / Dropship Crash Tester // https://twitter.com/reesnoturana
Cyrius Li-Moody The New Age Outlaws WINMATAR. 1843	Posted - 2013.11.27 15:59:00 - [14] - Quote I've ran into one person running a focused. Ever. Proto scanners maybe once a day but it's from groups that are proto stomping. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Keri Starlight 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 1570	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:10:00 - [15] - Quote Thank you very much to all of you. From your feedback, it seems to be an interesting idea. I'm all for mid to long range engagements and tactical approach, so I think I might give up some HP for one Dampener and that it might actually help my playstyle. I wouldn't do this in PC, of course, not only because of Proto Scanners, but because I'd rather use all my slots to push the objectives. Does anyone run Dampeners in PC with good results? -1.7 ranges: AR 42m -> 48m, TAR 65m -> 60m -Goodbye my love, Tac AR "I load my gun with love instead of bullets"
nathan scrapper-MY Harimau Malaya. 4	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:26:00 - [16] - Quote Most of the time players will only run advance scanners, but once you have spammed game's kill feed with your name ZN-28 Nova Knives insert red dot's name here.....
Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 2	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:33:00 - [17] - Quote Noob here. The dampers ability to remove on the passive scan also assists with flanking or giving false intel to the opposition. I've played hide and seek runnig around many a supply depot and lured enemies into what they thought was a 1:1 fight. It's also great for walking up behind hackers and practicing my militia scrambler pistol skills - scrambled brains anyone? All my militia outfits have been refitted with at least a militia damper. My mains Caladri has two basic plates and a basic damper... four maybe eight days away from advanced damper. I've even tried for giggles a triple basic damper outfit. Turrent - the sound a tankers pants makes when he finds out the four swarm militia doing squats around him aren't AFK.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2475	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:34:00 - [18] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I'm considering Profile Dampening and I noticeded that a single Complex Dampener, along the passive skill, is enough to avoid ADV Scanners on a Medium Suit. That's actually pretty good and I'm seriously considering this possiblity. So the question is: How many Prototype Scanners would I meet on the battlefield? I use the A-45 all the time, I would never pay that much PG and CPU just to detect such a minority of players. But I don't know what other people do. Is it a good idea, in your opinion? Thanks! '', I would never pay that much PG and CPU just to detect such a minority of players. The thing is : GÖª Armor plating is the Flavor of the month (update i must correct..) GÖªGallentes are armor tankers GÖªLogis are simply better than assaults GÖªGal Logi is there by FOTM GÖªGal logi has fitting reduction in equipment. Being outer heaven and all, if you are considering Dampening for PLANETARY CONQUEST, you will need to be below 28. Either 2 Cx Prof Dampeners on a Med suit or a Basic on on a Lv 5 Scout. (Or 1 Cx one in a lv 3 scout) In pub matches , Avoiding ADV scanners is almost always enough.But in PC either Run below 28db, Or just Armor tank. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Llast 326 An Arkhos 591	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:38:00 - [19] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I've ran into one person running a focused. Ever. Proto scanners maybe once a day but it's from groups that are proto stomping. See them more in FW, but still rare. I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 492	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:39:00 - [20] - Quote all i know is a proto scout with lvl 3 dampening and enhanced dampener prevents all but duvolle focused scanner. use it all the time now in PC, hasnt let me down yet get off the forums.

Llast 326 An Arkhos 591	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:41:00 - [21] - Quote Tch Tch wrote: Noob here. The dampers ability to remove on the passive scan also assists with flanking or giving false intel to the opposition. I've played hide and seek runnig around many a supply depot and lured enemies into what they thought was a 1:1 fight. It's also great for walking up behind hackers and practicing my militia scrambler pistol skills - scrambled brains anyone? All my militia outfits have been refitted with at least a militia damper. My mains Caladri has two basic plates and a basic damper... four maybe eight days away from advanced damper. I've even tried for giggles a triple basic damper outfit. I shot a man in Black Rise onceGÇª Just to watch him die
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2476	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:46:00 - [22] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: all i know is a proto scout with lvl 3 dampening and enhanced dampener prevents all but duvolle focused scanner. use it all the time now in PC, hasnt let me down yet AT level 5 Scout, with Lv 5 Dampening, only a BASIC Dampener is needed. You are wasting CPU.... In the end you dont know all you know.... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Draxus Prime BurgezzE.T.F Public Disorder. 2010	Posted - 2013.11.28 02:55:00 - [23] - Quote as a dedicated scout not many i rarely get scanned on my speed scout my stealth fit is unseeable (all i need is cloak) GÇƒwould watering a apple tree with apple juice be forced cannibalism?" - Draxus Prime Closed beta vet
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2476	Posted - 2013.11.28 03:01:00 - [24] - Quote Draxus Prime wrote: as a dedicated scout not many i rarely get scanned on my speed scout my stealth fit is unseeable (all i need is cloak) Unless you run a Gk.0 Scout with 4 x Profile Dampeners, The Duvolle Focused Scanner at 15db Can still see you. For 5 secs, but it can. For anything else, a Scout with Lv5 Dampening only needs 1 Basic profile Dampener to avoid Proto Scanners and Without Prof Dampeners he can still avoid ADV Scanners. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Argent Mordred DUST University Ivy League 32	Posted - 2013.11.28 03:17:00 - [25] - Quote I run a basic or enhanced profile dampener on my suits, enhanced for adv or whatever other fits I can fit it on and basic for the rest. I run a caldari assault with either an assault or sniper rifle.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 492	Posted - 2013.11.28 03:19:00 - [26] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: all i know is a proto scout with lvl 3 dampening and enhanced dampener prevents all but duvolle focused scanner. use it all the time now in PC, hasnt let me down yet AT level 5 Scout, with Lv 5 Dampening, only a BASIC Dampener is needed. You are wasting CPU.... i tested that and came to the conclusion it wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, so it would really be wasting sp. im already pushing my cpus to the max as is. get off the forums.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2478	Posted - 2013.11.28 03:23:00 - [27] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: all i know is a proto scout with lvl 3 dampening and enhanced dampener prevents all but duvolle focused scanner. use it all the time now in PC, hasnt let me down yet AT level 5 Scout, with Lv 5 Dampening, only a BASIC Dampener is needed. You are wasting CPU.... i tested that and came to the conclusion it wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, so it would really be wasting sp. im already pushing my cpus to the max as is. AT level 5 Scout Plus Lv 5 Profile Dampening (PASSIVE) Plus 1 BASIC Prof Dampener Your Db is 25.8. 25.8< 28 Proto Scan So any other Profile dampener on a Lv 5 Scout with Lv5 Dampening is a waste of CPU. Im not sure what you mean with:''wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, '' But i explained myself better. The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Acturus Galaxy Happy Pumpkin 220	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:05:00 - [28] - Quote It is annoying with the more common use of dampener modules. I am beginning to encounter more and more medium frames that I am unable to pickup on my scouts 50meters passive scan range. I will need to sacrifice a module slot for a precision module, damned dampener modules, stop using them I even had a mlt medium sneak up on my proto scout and shot me in the back, that was embarrassing and very sneaky.
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 583	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:17:00 - [29] - Quote Keri Starlight wrote: I'm considering Profile Dampening and I noticeded that a single Complex Dampener, along the passive skill, is enough to avoid ADV Scanners on a Medium Suit. That's actually pretty good and I'm seriously considering this possiblity. So the question is: How many Prototype Scanners would I meet on the battlefield? I use the A-45 all the time, I would never pay that much PG and CPU just to detect such a minority of players. But I don't know what other people do. Is it a good idea, in your opinion? Thanks! as a scout im running into proto scans at 28db around 50% of the games I play a day SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED
XOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXOXO XOXOXOXOXOXO Storm Wind Strikeforce Caldari State 583	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:19:00 - [30] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Draxus Prime wrote: as a dedicated scout not many i rarely get scanned on my speed scout my stealth fit is unseeable (all i need is cloak) Unless you run a Gk.0 Scout with 4 x Profile Dampeners, The Duvolle Focused Scanner at 15db Can still see you. For 5 secs, but it can. For anything else, a Scout with Lv5 Dampening only needs 1 Basic profile Dampener to avoid Proto Scanners and Without Prof Dampeners he can still avoid ADV Scanners. sure its not a mixture of three damps? SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED

Saoa Scum Judge Mercenaries 21	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:05:00 - [31] - Quote I always use a proto scanner, and i noticed more and more lately that people have found those dampeners finally.. Cant rely on my scanner anymore.. :)
Lorhak Gannarsein 633	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:50:00 - [32] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: all i know is a proto scout with lvl 3 dampening and enhanced dampener prevents all but duvolle focused scanner. use it all the time now in PC, hasnt let me down yet AT level 5 Scout, with Lv 5 Dampening, only a BASIC Dampener is needed. You are wasting CPU.... i tested that and came to the conclusion it wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, so it would really be wasting sp. im already pushing my cpus to the max as is. AT level 5 Scout Plus Lv 5 Profile Dampening (PASSIVE) Plus 1 BASIC Prof Dampener Your Db is 25.8. 25.8< 28 Proto Scan So any other Profile dampener on a Lv 5 Scout with Lv5 Dampening is a waste of CPU. Im not sure what you mean with:''wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, '' But i explained myself better. He's only got LV3 dampening, and apparently doesn't want to dump the SP to cap the skill.
Heavenly Daughter the Aurum Grinder and Company 183	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:54:00 - [33] - Quote CHICAGOCUBS4EVER wrote: ppl gotta be stupid to run proto scanners cause adv picks up 95% of all players. so few people in this game have a clue about dampeners, and 98% of the other half just don't care or cant justify the 932k SP investment. all I know is when I die, no one is getting an 'intel kill assist' on my fat ass I agree, but i do know that the proto scanners get used. :) . __ `/.)\ Nade \| Scan Attempt Prevented \| 30 mill SP \__/ 514 \| Longest Shot 588 Mtrs \| Former NFP Winner`
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 495	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:22:00 - [34] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: all i know is a proto scout with lvl 3 dampening and enhanced dampener prevents all but duvolle focused scanner. use it all the time now in PC, hasnt let me down yet AT level 5 Scout, with Lv 5 Dampening, only a BASIC Dampener is needed. You are wasting CPU.... i tested that and came to the conclusion it wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, so it would really be wasting sp. im already pushing my cpus to the max as is. AT level 5 Scout Plus Lv 5 Profile Dampening (PASSIVE) Plus 1 BASIC Prof Dampener Your Db is 25.8. 25.8< 28 Proto Scan So any other Profile dampener on a Lv 5 Scout with Lv5 Dampening is a waste of CPU. Im not sure what you mean with:''wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, '' But i explained myself better. the sp investment from 3 to 5 in dampening isnt worth 9 cpu get off the forums.
Sana Rayya WASTELAND JUNK REMOVAL Top Men. 446	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:22:00 - [35] - Quote Proto scouts only need Lvl 2 in dampening and one militia or basic dampener to avoid 28dB proto scans. Anything more than this is a waste of CPU/SP/ISK. If you -really- want to, you can get dampening to 5 and use 4x complex to avoid the Duvolle Focused, but that'd make you paper thin (and an idiot). Since almost everyone and their mother who scans uses the A-45 Quantum Scanner (36dB), medium frames need 3x militia dampeners (no skill), 2x basic or militia dampeners (lvl 2 skill), or one complex dampener (lvl 5 skill) to avoid the advanced scans. Using any more than this to avoid advanced scans is a waste of slots/ISK/CPU. For proto scans (28dB), medium frames need 3x enhanced (lvl 3 skill) or 2x complex (lvl 5 skill).
Cass Caul 379	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:33:00 - [36] - Quote I run Scout with 1 basic dampener (and 3 complex plates) or logi with 2 complex dampeners (and 3 complex plates ) I do very well. Especially against Nyain San and others who have just become so heavily reliant on scanners. I run into proto scanners pretty much every match. maybe it's matchmaking, maybe it is reputation, either way people I go against always have them out and if I don't run dampeners then they know where I am. +Éß¦ëddGêÇ -çou -Äll+É-çoGö¦ A girl, on the internet?! I roll to disbelieve.
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 495	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:39:00 - [37] - Quote Cass Caul wrote: I run Scout with 1 basic dampener (and 3 complex plates) or logi with 2 complex dampeners (and 3 complex plates ) I do very well. Especially against Nyain San and others who have just become so heavily reliant on scanners. I run into proto scanners pretty much every match. maybe it's matchmaking, maybe it is reputation, either way people I go against always have them out and if I don't run dampeners then they know where I am. 3 complex plates lol, light assaults ftw. get off the forums.
KING CHECKMATE AMARR IMPERIAL CRUSADERS 2490	Posted - 2013.11.28 23:07:00 - [38] - Quote Assert Dominance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: KING CHECKMATE wrote: Assert Dominance wrote: all i know is a proto scout with lvl 3 dampening and enhanced dampener prevents all but duvolle focused scanner. use it all the time now in PC, hasnt let me down yet AT level 5 Scout, with Lv 5 Dampening, only a BASIC Dampener is needed. You are wasting CPU.... i tested that and came to the conclusion it wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, so it would really be wasting sp. im already pushing my cpus to the max as is. AT level 5 Scout Plus Lv 5 Profile Dampening (PASSIVE) Plus 1 BASIC Prof Dampener Your Db is 25.8. 25.8< 28 Proto Scan So any other Profile dampener on a Lv 5 Scout with Lv5 Dampening is a waste of CPU. Im not sure what you mean with:''wouldnt drastically save cpu to significantly buff my fit, '' But i explained myself better. the sp investment from 3 to 5 in dampening isnt worth 9 cpu Maybe not in a Gk.0, but in my Mk.0 it is.... The Best Damage Mod, its a Headshot....
Viktor Hadah Jr Critical-Impact 1283	Posted - 2013.11.28 23:09:00 - [39] - Quote I run Proto scanner, just because i can. I know there are people out their who know most people use only Adv grade scanners and try to get under them so it is fun to throw off their game and scan them with a proto scanner. Unless you are rich and have a lot of extra SP i would not recommend it those because the Adv onces are only slightly worse. For the Empire Dual tanking is a sin (Gò»°Gûí°n+ëGò»n+¦ Gö+GöüGö+ Noobs GTFO of Amarr FW


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