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DeadlyAztec11 2263	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:16:00 - [1] - Quote They give proto stompers WAY too much leverage against New and solo players. It makes impossible to win situations. It use to be that if you were skilled enough you could flank around the map and shoot better equipped players in the back of the head and kill them; SKILL > SKILL POINTS. You can't even do that. Now, even if you are in a militia suit, they will still ambush you with 3 Duvolles and an Imperial for good measure. It is ridiculous! CCP needs to nerf Scanners. Stop this 360 spinning BS. Actually give them a downside. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THE GUN AND SCANNER DUAL WIELD GLITCH. I know this belongs in feedback/request, but damn it!- more people got to understand this. TL/DR: Nerf Scanners to Hell! Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 343	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:31:00 - [2] - Quote They are a little easy to use. Defiantly fix the scan sprint switch weapons shoot and scan bug. Also it would be nice to actually have to sit and scan the are rather than 360 d scan. Would make the job more challenging and fun. More actual player skill the better.
DeadlyAztec11 2263	Posted - 2013.11.27 02:56:00 - [3] - Quote Pvt Numnutz wrote: They are a little easy to use. Defiantly fix the scan sprint switch weapons shoot and scan bug. Also it would be nice to actually have to sit and scan the are rather than 360 d scan. Would make the job more challenging and fun. More actual player skill the better. I am not talking about that bug, I am talking about the bug where your gun morphs into the Scanner. So you permanently scan, but your gun still acts normally. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Vicious Minotaur Tronhadar Free Guard Minmatar Republic 378	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:00:00 - [4] - Quote reminisces about the times before scanner spammage
Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 279	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:24:00 - [5] - Quote how bout jammers and better damper modules?
DeadlyAztec11 2263	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:25:00 - [6] - Quote Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: how bout jammers and better damper modules? Heavies can't have equipment and dampeners are useless. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.
Roger Cordill The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 59	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:27:00 - [7] - Quote Message from Godin: And then buff them for Gal Scouts
ratamaq doc Edge Regiment 148	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:38:00 - [8] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: how bout jammers and better damper modules? Heavies can't have equipment and dampeners are useless. I feel for heavies, but dampener a are far from useless. I use and love them both. Profile Dampening is I quick skill to train, and dampener are cheap to fit. You don't need the extra HP if you are flanking invisible. And you get the added advantage of going against scanner users whom've become dependent on seeing you on their tac. I would suggest a good nerf would be to kill the feed if the one who scans gets killed. That will make the 360 scanners targets to kill first.
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 430	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:41:00 - [9] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: They give proto stompers WAY too much leverage against New and solo players. It makes impossible to win situations. However.. scanners can also give 'new'ish (1month+) players an equaliser against proto stompers. Most protos are NOT damped down enough to avoid level 3 scanners Heck, a lot of them arent even damped enough to avoid the level 1 scanners
DeadlyAztec11 2263	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:53:00 - [10] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: how bout jammers and better damper modules? Heavies can't have equipment and dampeners are useless. I feel for heavies, but dampener a are far from useless. I use and love them both. Profile Dampening is I quick skill to train, and dampener are cheap to fit. You don't need the extra HP if you are flanking invisible. And you get the added advantage of going against scanner users whom've become dependent on seeing you on their tac. I would suggest a good nerf would be to kill the feed if the one who scans gets killed. That will make the 360 scanners targets to kill first. I meant profile dampening a heavy is useless. Madness is the emergency exit. You can just step outside, and close the door on all those dreadful things that happened.

DUST Fiend OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 8040	Posted - 2013.11.27 03:58:00 - [11] - Quote Quil Evrything wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: They give proto stompers WAY too much leverage against New and solo players. It makes impossible to win situations. However.. scanners can also give 'new'ish (1month+) players an equaliser against proto stompers. Most protos are NOT damped down enough to avoid level 3 scanners Heck, a lot of them arent even damped enough to avoid the level 1 scanners I wouldn't say it's an equalizer, more like a "don't go that way or you ******* die"alizer. Read / Vid / Stream
xSaloLx SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 157	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:16:00 - [12] - Quote Dampening lvl5 and 1 complex dampened and boom, immune to all but proto scanners. But yeah, scanners do need a tweak: -Remove spinning ability -Make results either minimap only or static chevrons that 'refresh' every .5-1 sec. -Maybe a little longer time between scans
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 684	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:22:00 - [13] - Quote ratamaq doc wrote: DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar wrote: how bout jammers and better damper modules? Heavies can't have equipment and dampeners are useless. I feel for heavies, but dampener a are far from useless. I use and love them both. Profile Dampening is I quick skill to train, and dampener are cheap to fit. You don't need the extra HP if you are flanking invisible. And you get the added advantage of going against scanner users whom've become dependent on seeing you on their tac. I would suggest a good nerf would be to kill the feed if the one who scans gets killed. That will make the 360 scanners targets to kill first. Read what OP said. You are never invisible when you go against proto stompers. They have ppl on their team who run proto scanners just so that dampeners would not even need to be taken into consideration. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
Ludvig Enraga KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 684	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:23:00 - [14] - Quote xSaloLx wrote: Dampening lvl5 and 1 complex dampened and boom, immune to all but proto scanners. But yeah, scanners do need a tweak: -Remove spinning ability -Make results either minimap only or static chevrons that 'refresh' every .5-1 sec. -Maybe a little longer time between scans BOOM. Proto sompers are not idiots, they have that logi on their team whose job is to spawn that proto scanner. Oh, sht! I just learned you can make a signature! Thanks, CCP! Forums are getting better!
KGB Sleep Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 434	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:54:00 - [15] - Quote I think they should be out of the game, or possible scout only equip. A better mechanic imo would be a WP based scanning system. When you earn XXXX amount of WP you pull up the map like you would to place an orbital, but place the area to be scanned. You could keep your points invested in the skill nodes and have that translate into Area of Effect, Precision, Damp effect and Duration. The scan could originate from the MCC. There could be an effect like a huge nanohive bubble when the scan drops to let everyone know. This way, the early game would allow for more positioning and setup. For FW/PC the earned scans would be extremely valuable for Eve pilot tactical strikes and late game would be an absolute bloodbath with tides changing at a faster pace due to increased scanning as more people start dropping their earned WP. idk. ideas
Quil Evrything DUST University Ivy League 433	Posted - 2013.11.27 04:57:00 - [16] - Quote KGB Sleep wrote: I think they should be out of the game, or possible scout only equip. I would definitely be behind a scout-only equip
xSaloLx SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 157	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:07:00 - [17] - Quote Ludvig Enraga wrote: xSaloLx wrote: Dampening lvl5 and 1 complex dampened and boom, immune to all but proto scanners. But yeah, scanners do need a tweak: -Remove spinning ability -Make results either minimap only or static chevrons that 'refresh' every .5-1 sec. -Maybe a little longer time between scans BOOM. Proto sompers are not idiots, they have that logi on their team whose job is to spawn that proto scanner. Teamwork's overpowered, nerf it. Where's your proto scanner?
Arirana Ancient Exiles. Renegade Alliance 286	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:13:00 - [18] - Quote There is no scanner/gun dual wield glitch. Its an animation glitch from a 3rd person view that the scanner light never turns off. Still technically gives the user an advantage in combat by blinding your enemy with the light,, but theres no way to tell if you have it activated or not AAAATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA~ WOOOAAATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATATA
Assert Dominance Ahrendee's Wafflehouse 478	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:42:00 - [19] - Quote 1 minute cooldown to all scanners. there, scanner spam solved. I eat blue waffles when i proto stomp.
rebecca watson OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 78	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:53:00 - [20] - Quote scanners....... They work really well.

Tch Tch Red Shirts Away Team 0	Posted - 2013.11.27 05:57:00 - [21] - Quote Shouldn't an active scanner light up the user much more stronger then the return signals? After all if you can see out to 100m you've got a 200m return trip. Why not light up the scanner to all within 200m in that example. Make it that swarm missiles can target scanners for the duration of the scan. And that walking over an opponents explosive while scanning sets it off. You are afterall a submarine giving away your position with the active pinging.
ZeHealingHurts HurtingHeals Seituoda Taskforce Command Caldari State 530	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:01:00 - [22] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: reminisces about the times before scanner spammage I left for a month or two before the scanners came out and came back some time after they were introduced. My very first game and the one thing that really stood out was YOU HAVE BEEN SCANNED. The entire opposite side of this small area was orange and any time someone tried to edge around the map they were instantly destroyed. Was really boring since it just ended up with both teams on the opposite side of a divide taking pot-shots at each other. "NO FULL RESPECS; ONLY FOR VEHICLE SKILLS CHANGED TREE!" Vehicle users : "lol gonna put it into infantry skills"
Vyzion Eyri The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 2121	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:01:00 - [23] - Quote 1 enhanced dampener should counteract all advanced scanners. 1 prototype dampener should counteract all prototype scanners. (with skill bonus factored in) Would make the trade-off between plating/reps far more interesting. Right now its "i will stack tons of HP and leave it to the logibros to scan so both sides know where everyone is". "When nothing is going your way, go out of your way to do nothing."
Pvt Numnutz Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 345	Posted - 2013.11.27 06:20:00 - [24] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: Pvt Numnutz wrote: They are a little easy to use. Defiantly fix the scan sprint switch weapons shoot and scan bug. Also it would be nice to actually have to sit and scan the are rather than 360 d scan. Would make the job more challenging and fun. More actual player skill the better. I am not talking about that bug, I am talking about the bug where your gun morphs into the Scanner. So you permanently scan, but your gun still acts normally. Yeah I know, usually when you scan you can't do anything until the scan is complete,. However if you sprint as the scan is going you can cheat it by switching weapons. The effect of the scanner is still there and you are scanning but you can also use your main weapon. Or are you talking about another bug?
Niuvo NECROM0NGERS Covert Intervention 826	Posted - 2013.11.27 07:12:00 - [25] - Quote The A. scanner needs to be re-tuned. CCP needs to see how they are being used by the players so they can take appropriate action. It would help if they play how we are forced to play. Wtih all the bull crap that makes this game unfair i.e. scan spam. Maybe the player is forced to stand still as he scans? Increase cool down. If you can see enemy for 16seconds, have the cooldown be 32 seconds?
Oswald Rehnquist 717	Posted - 2013.11.27 07:18:00 - [26] - Quote Also keep in mind if equipment cloaks ever come out in the future, we will be needing scanners, but I do agree with increasing the fitting cost to run one, its the cheapest cpu/pg equipment out there and the spinning is cheap, maybe even the cool down time too. Below 28 dB
hgghyujh Expert Intervention Caldari State 174	Posted - 2013.11.27 07:44:00 - [27] - Quote DeadlyAztec11 wrote: They give proto stompers WAY too much leverage against New and solo players. It makes impossible to win situations. It use to be that if you were skilled enough you could flank around the map and shoot better equipped players in the back of the head and kill them; SKILL > SKILL POINTS. You can't even do that. Now, even if you are in a militia suit, they will still ambush you with 3 Duvolles and an Imperial for good measure. It is ridiculous! CCP needs to nerf Scanners. Stop this 360 spinning BS. Actually give them a downside. FOR THE LOVE OF GOD STOP THE GUN AND SCANNER DUAL WIELD GLITCH. I know this belongs in feedback/request, but damn it!- more people got to understand this. TL/DR: Nerf Scanners to Hell! if there is a dual weild it needs to get fixed and you should get a scanres that is equal to the % of time you scan an area, IE you stand still and dont spin you get the full scan res, you spin you get like 1/8 the scan res you move forwards the center part of your cone is 100% but the edges and far end are low percentages.
Jackof All-Trades The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 287	Posted - 2013.11.27 08:43:00 - [28] - Quote Don't nerf them to hell, per se... However I liked your comment because yes, with scanners, you can't flank. "Pulvis et umbra sums." We are but dust and shadow GÇò Horace, The Odes of Horace \ Omni-Specialist / Focus: Gallente
castba Penguin's March 218	Posted - 2013.11.27 09:39:00 - [29] - Quote I like the idea that scanners only light up reds when scanning. As soon as the scanner switches to their weapon, the reds should disappear. Different tier scanners allow for a longer scan duration, better precision and shorter cool down. I Support SP Rollover
xAckie Ahrendee Mercenaries EoN. 363	Posted - 2013.11.27 10:21:00 - [30] - Quote scanners should be removed. The dampner and scanner skill trees reworked to be meaningful - and modules should be used if you want more 'active' scan.



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