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Kazeno Rannaa BIG BAD W0LVES 328	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:07:00 - [121] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534438#post1534438 CCP LogiBro wrote: [FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. Great. so the bitching children got their way. This is garbage. If this passes through, I would request a respect from the Amarr Logi due to the fact that the design of it seemed to promote a very Amarrian Approach to warfare. Kill everyone and leave no quarters to anyone. But since the influx of those that cannot think for themselves have begun to pollute these forums, and the game in general, this call for one nerf after another has not down anything for maintaining the existing player base. Combine this with the a change in personnel at CCP, we are going to have a COD clone before we know it. Leave well enough alone UNTIL ALL OF THE RACIAL VARIANTS are available, including the basic weapons. This is about ground warfare, and sooner or latter a logi is going to have to slay in order to ensure the survival of their squad. This is especially so with the Amarrian designs. If anything, the Assaults should be made more viable with better skill bonus, and there also could be changes in the the racial and dropsuit bonuses. But to enable peopleGÇÖs expectations of One game style (i.e., COD of BF) to be overlaid onto DUST seems counterproductive to the idea of freedom of creative problem solving that seems so intrinsically EVE and New Eden. Why are so many people attempting to take the ideas of GÇ£logisticsGÇ¥ that exists for the pilots and imposing it upon the ground troops. As I WOULD NOT EXPECT to impose my version or understanding of what one role or another should be for a pilot when I am a ground pounder. So these arguments about how apples are representative of oranges is ridiculous.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1778	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:16:00 - [122] - Quote Kazeno Rannaa wrote: This is garbage. If this passes through, I would request a respect from the Amarr Logi due to the fact that the design of it seemed to promote a very Amarrian Approach to warfare. Kill everyone and leave no quarters to anyone. ^This. If I can't carry a light weapon on my Amarr Logi, it completely redefines how the Amarr Logi is supposed to be the combat focused one. When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Luk Manag of Terror TRE GAFFEL 184	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:19:00 - [123] - Quote Don't nerf logi, buff assault! Give something to the Assault class to convince the FotM crowd to conform to your preferred class archetypes. There will be bullets. ACR+SMG
R F Gyro Clones 4u 691	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:44:00 - [124] - Quote From this other thread, regarding the specific issue of removing light weapons from logi suits... Quote: <[CCP]Logibro> But no, we're not saying that's how we're looking to nerf them. <[CCP]Logibro> Might be an option we'll consider, but I'm personally not a fan of sidearm only logi. RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 484	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:45:00 - [125] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: "We're sorry, we know we are bad at communicating." However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome. What about this: Stop making these quick solutions, everyone knew there was a problem from the start UPRISING was released. Go back to beta, redesign all roles + implement all races. While in beta, you can add new game modes and see how the different roles will react to those modes.
R F Gyro Clones 4u 691	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:51:00 - [126] - Quote RKKR wrote: What about this: Stop making these quick solutions, everyone knew there was a problem from the start UPRISING was released. Go back to beta, redesign all roles + implement all races. While in beta, you can add new game modes and see how the different roles will react to those modes. Then release the game, maybe you guys will make the date of 5/14 again . No more respec and nerf bullshit either. Hang on, can I just confirm what I'm reading here? Rather than slow, gradual changes with lots of discussion and opportunities for feedback, you want CCP to lock themselves away for several months and then spring something completely different on us? Really? RF Gyro: 12.5% damage bonus; 10.5% rate of fire bonus
Sinboto Simmons SVER True Blood Public Disorder. 2400	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:51:00 - [127] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue. However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome. Thank you for clarifying the stupidity in gd is killing my braincells. Sinboto - The True Blood Minja. Forum Warrior level 2 A grunt of STB
RKKR The Southern Legion The Umbra Combine 484	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:55:00 - [128] - Quote R F Gyro wrote: RKKR wrote: What about this: Stop making these quick solutions, everyone knew there was a problem from the start UPRISING was released. Go back to beta, redesign all roles + implement all races. While in beta, you can add new game modes and see how the different roles will react to those modes. Then release the game, maybe you guys will make the date of 5/14 again . No more respec and nerf bullshit either. Hang on, can I just confirm what I'm reading here? Rather than slow, gradual changes with lots of discussion and opportunities for feedback, you want CCP to lock themselves away for several months and then spring something completely different on us? Really? Slow, gradual changes in the wrong direction if you ask me. Not lock themselves away, they did that in the previous beta and behold the result: UPRISING 1.0.
Mordecai Sanguine What The French 179	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:57:00 - [129] - Quote https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=123816&find=unread Read this.
Aeon Amadi A.N.O.N.Y.M.O.U.S. Renegade Alliance 3947	Posted - 2013.11.27 19:57:00 - [130] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue. However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome. While capable of defending themselves, I feel that a Logi's -focus- should be on supporting his team and there should be design based around that. Bonuses should be redone to compliment their ability to support their team whilst they rely on modules and their load-out for survivability as opposed to the Assault class which is based on offensive capability and the Heavy on defensive capability. I Support SP Rollover ^_^

Samantha Hunyz Clones Of The Damned Zero-Day 23	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:01:00 - [131] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue. However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome. While capable of defending themselves, I feel that a Logi's -focus- should be on supporting his team and there should be design based around that. Bonuses should be redone to compliment their ability to support their team whilst they rely on modules and their load-out for survivability as opposed to the Assault class which is based on offensive capability and the Heavy on defensive capability. Why don't the make it so weapon performance is based to the suits themselves. Support style weapons would work well for logistics, but direct weapons like rifles would offer more kick. Assaults would be fine with rifles, but offer a drawback to indirect style weapons. You could do this for every suit and weapon. This would make specialization more meaningful. This still gives everyone the freedom to play with any combination they choose as well. When I look down my scope, all I see are dead people.
Grimmiers 0uter.Heaven Proficiency V. 320	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:08:00 - [132] - Quote Maybe they'll make it so certain equipment cost a lot less on logis and nerf the cpu and pgu to be closer to an assault. That way they can't fit as much tank without a pg or cpu upgrade to make them a somewhat weaker assault logi if they wanted to be. Grimm Grimm! \ Youtube Channel Recruiter Link
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 146	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:25:00 - [133] - Quote Lol...can't say I didn't see It coming.Ccp giving the I can't win so nerf it players Another hand out.How do you try to make a sandbox game if you keep removing the sand.Just get rid of all the other suits and weapons. Then rename the game scrub assault 123. DUST ONE WEAPON ONE SUIT
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 1780	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:29:00 - [134] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Lol...can't say I didn't see It coming.Ccp giving the I can't win so nerf it players Another hand out.How do you try to make a sandbox game if you keep removing the sand.Just get rid of all the other suits and weapons. Then rename the game scrub assault 123. DUST ONE WEAPON ONE SUIT So instead of a sandbox, it'll just be a box? When I'm depressed, I cut myself......A BIG SLICE OF CHOCOLATE CAKE!
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 147	Posted - 2013.11.27 22:34:00 - [135] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Lol...can't say I didn't see It coming.Ccp giving the I can't win so nerf it players Another hand out.How do you try to make a sandbox game if you keep removing the sand.Just get rid of all the other suits and weapons. Then rename the game scrub assault 123. DUST ONE WEAPON ONE SUIT So instead of a sandbox, it'll just be a box? Until the next update when the box gets nerfed.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 669	Posted - 2013.11.28 09:30:00 - [136] - Quote I agree that all dropsuit roles need to be addressed and rebalanced, and now is a good time to do it since hit detection is working flawlessly. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 670	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:37:00 - [137] - Quote Why are so many people surprised that the logi needs to be toned down in one area or another? It is really not strange that this class' offensive abilities have to be toned down, and the support abilities should be enhanced. To me it is not really a good idea to buff the assault and basic frames, because that means (probably) a more extensive work to rebalance scout/assault/heavy. Which in turn means that CCP can focus more time on linking dust into the New Eden universe. Maybe you logis should just bite the bullet when the logi is fixed (nerfed)? KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 670	Posted - 2013.11.28 10:39:00 - [138] - Quote Tek Hound wrote: Lol...can't say I didn't see It coming.Ccp giving the I can't win so nerf it players Another hand out.How do you try to make a sandbox game if you keep removing the sand.Just get rid of all the other suits and weapons. Then rename the game scrub assault 123. DUST ONE WEAPON ONE SUIT You dont get the big picture, do you? KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 910	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:32:00 - [139] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=1534438#post1534438 CCP LogiBro wrote: [FEEDBACK] Logistics without light weapons - https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=120712&find=unread Status: There is a plan to change Logistics skills and that will definitely change their role on the battlefield and prevent players from running as GÇ£slayersGÇ¥ in logi suits. Thanks for the heads up. When they do this it will be my time to ditch DUST. I won't duplicate it but I posted my thoughts on the linked thread by the original QQ Kitten about ruining other people's play style. Say Buh Bye DUST.
KalOfTheRathi Nec Tributis 910	Posted - 2013.11.28 11:41:00 - [140] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: This is still a fair way off, so don't panic. We'll definitely be posting threads when we get closer at some point in the future. Don't panic? Are you nuts? Seriously. If you take away the Light Weapon slot I am done with Logis and that means done with DUST. You removed most of their WP and I stuck with it. The TTK with nothing to respond with is ... typical of CCP/Shanghai. Just let us know which release it is in. Once it is official I am out of here. To think I was dumb enough to put this much time in a game that turns around and repeated stabs the players in their backs. Our time, dedication and money means nothing to CCP nor CCP/Shanghai. It was stupid of me to believe that DUST was going to be great. Yes it had potential. But that was fixed with Uprising. It ain't coming back.

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution 2430	Posted - 2013.11.28 12:19:00 - [141] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue. However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome. Ignore the butt hurt logis and nerf them. They were never meant to be a direct combat suit and their arrogance should be punished.
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 673	Posted - 2013.11.28 12:37:00 - [142] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Keep in mind that the thread we linked to is not necessarily how we will be making changes. It's just a reference point for the issue. However, ideas on how we can better balance logi suits compared to others are always welcome. Ignore the butt hurt logis and nerf them. They were never meant to be a direct combat suit and their arrogance should be punished. Nuke logi from orbit, only way to be sure. KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Blaze Ashra Ametat Security Amarr Empire 31	Posted - 2013.11.28 12:41:00 - [143] - Quote Remote explosives ftw.
Tek Hound Death In Xcess Corporation 148	Posted - 2013.11.28 14:46:00 - [144] - Quote Spectral Clone wrote: Tek Hound wrote: Lol...can't say I didn't see It coming.Ccp giving the I can't win so nerf it players Another hand out.How do you try to make a sandbox game if you keep removing the sand.Just get rid of all the other suits and weapons. Then rename the game scrub assault 123. DUST ONE WEAPON ONE SUIT You dont get the big picture, do you? You don't use whats given to you do you?
Meeko Fent Commando Perkone Caldari State 1689	Posted - 2013.11.28 17:08:00 - [145] - Quote Acturus Galaxy wrote: I have pro gal logi and approve of this especially if they further enhance my abilities to provide support to the team. Crosses out rep bonus Writes in equipment fitting reduct/efficency bonus In the least that. Refunding a few AUR militia Blueprints pertaining to vehicles because their respective modules will not exist anymore
ReGnYuM 1387	Posted - 2013.11.28 17:21:00 - [146] - Quote Long Live The SLaYeR If you never heard of ReGnYuM, you're neither Good or Relevant in Dust 514. KDR>ALL Sig Move: Figure 8 of Death
Spectral Clone Dust2Dust. Top Men. 681	Posted - 2013.11.28 17:54:00 - [147] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Long Live The SLaYeR Long live the slayer!!! KDR > ALL ME > KDR ME > ALL
Atiim Living Like Larry Schwag 1466	Posted - 2013.11.30 20:52:00 - [148] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: This will be the change that killed the game. I'm gone if they make logi suits support only. No threat or QQ. I just won't play. This will be the nail in the coffin. Then all the Eve nerds can sit around and jerk off with spreadsheets until there isn't enough income to justify development. Maybe Dust will just turn into a mini game for securing PI locations. Logis are supposed to be a support unit only. Hence the term logistics. Christ almighty the entitlement is hilarious. What the hell did you think you were signing up for? At most you should have a sidearm and thats it. What you should be asking for are deployable turrets, barricade welding and other shenanigans that actually has to do with your class. Actually, the logistics class was designed to be a highly versitale suit capable of performing the duties of whatever is needed at the time. Nowhere in it's description does it say that the logistics class was designed for support only. Try again. And since we are using this logic, the equipment slot needs to be removed from the other classes in the game, as the equipment is for support and apparently the logistics is the only class designed for support. What did I sign up for you ask? I signed up for a combat medic. What I didn't sign up for was to be somebody's Personal Slave, Human Ambulance, or PEZ Dispenser. The sidearm only nerf idea wouldn't even solve the problem, as you'd just have people stacking complex sidearm mods running around with Carthum SCR Pistols and Ishukone SMGs like some yellow cowboys in the Old West. It instead is masking the true problem here. The real problem lies in the fact that pretty much every role in the game in this build is horrible at their designed role. And as for logis being FoTM, what else did you expect? To use the Assault or Logis, we have to have that race's medium dropsuit operation to level three. Answer this question Himiko. Why would I skill into assaults twice? For a bonus that's so terrible and irrelevant to my class that it's near useless? Check out my corp's new website here :D -HAND


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